شاہ محمود قریشی نیا وزیر اعظم؟؟

Awan S

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
This means in 2013 the election was free and fair?
BTW when u came to know Nawaz is against GHQ's involvement in politics?
Comparatively fair as much as it can be fair in Pakistani environment. There could be little bit of here and there but overall 2008 and 2013 were free of severe establishment influence.
 

Okara

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Comparatively fair as much as it can be fair in Pakistani environment. There could be little bit of here and there but overall 2008 and 2013 were free of severe establishment influence.
How many re-elections conducted for 2013 vs 2018 election due to rigging?
2018 was rigged by Army to bring Imran into power but who rigged 2013?
 

arifkarim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
مختصر جواب تو یہ ہے کہ فوج اب نواز یا مریم پر کسی طرح اعتبار کرنے کو تیار نہیں ہے کہ آگے جا کر ان کے ساتھ چلا جا سکتا ہے -سٹیبلشمنٹ کے لئے اپنے وفاداروں کی کمی نہیں ہے جیسے کہ شہباز شریف ، خواجہ آصف ، ترین کی نا اھلی ختم کرا کر اسے آگے لانا ، چودھری نثار ، شاہ محمود قریشی وغیرہ – فوج کے لئے اس وقت جو مسئلہ دار سر ہے وہ یہ ہے کہ پرفارمنس خان نہیں دے رہا اور گالیاں کھلے عام فوج کو پڑ رہی ہیں – مشرف کے دور میں جب فوج کی ساکھ بری طرح متاثر ہوئی تو پہلے کیانی نے کسی حد تک اور پھر راحیل شریف نے فوج کی ساکھ اور عزت بھال کی – فوج اب پھر بدنام ہو کر دوبارہ پرانی مشرف دور کی حیثیت پر جا چکی ہے -یہ تنقید نون لیگ ، پیپلز پارٹی ، مذہبی پارٹیوں سے آگے جا کر اب تو خود تحریک انصاف کے ووٹرز سپورٹرز ، اسمبلی ممبرز ، سوشل میڈیا کے لوگ یہاں تک کہ وزیروں تک جا پوھنچی ہے – فوج پر تنقید اب بند دروازوں سے نکل کر کھلے عام گلیوں بازاروں تک آ چکی ہے – تنقید تین صوبوں سے آگے بڑھ کر فوج کے اپنے گڑھ پنجاب تک میں پہلی بار تیزی سے پھیلی ہے -فوج کو اپنی ساکھ بھی بھال کرنی ہے ، اپنے وفا دار بھی آگے لانے ہیں اور یہ تاثر بھی ختم کرنا ہے کہ فلاں کو جھرلو الیکشن میں فوج آگے لائی ہے
ہاہاہا فوج ملک توڑنے کے بعد تنقید سے پریشان نہیں ہوئی اب کیا ہوگی
 

Awan S

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
This means in 2013 the election was free and fair?
BTW when u came to know Nawaz is against GHQ's involvement in politics?
Sorry forgot to answer your questions's second part about Nawaz & GHQ. It is a very long story and started back in 1991-1992 when Nawaz sacked an army chief Jahangir Karamat and had issues with all other army chiefs. Army never helped Nawaz in elections the way they did in and before 1990 elections. Differences with Musharaf came to that level that two third majority government was removed. Nawaz was thrown out of country with entire extended family except Hamza. The story continued after Nawaz came back in 2009 and became PM in 2013. This entire history is can be summarised in one sentence that Nawaz wanted an elected PM to have full authority and keep army within its own limits as it is in other countries.
 

Okara

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Sorry forgot to answer your questions's second part about Nawaz & GHQ. It is a very long story and started back in 1991-1992 when Nawaz sacked an army chief Jahangir Karamat and had issues with all other army chiefs. Army never helped Nawaz in elections the way they did in and before 1990 elections. Differences with Musharaf came to that level that two third majority government was removed. Nawaz was thrown out of country with entire extended family except Hamza. The story continued after Nawaz came back in 2009 and became PM in 2013. This entire history is can be summarised in one sentence that Nawaz wanted an elected PM to have full authority and keep army within its own limits as it is in other countries.
BTW who did play role of GHQ's front man in Memogate Scandal?
 

Awan S

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
ہاہاہا فوج ملک توڑنے کے بعد تنقید سے پریشان نہیں ہوئی اب کیا ہوگی
وہ وقت اور تھا میرے بھائی ، اس وقت مارشل لاء اتنا سخت تھا دور چار بندے بھی جہاں اکٹھے ہو کر فوج پر تنقید کرتے تھے گرفتار کر لئے جاتے تھے جو زیادہ تر پیپلز پارٹی کے کارکن ہوتے تھے - نہ سوشل میڈیا تھا نہ چینلوں کی بھرمار -ایوب کا آخری دور ، یحییٰ خان کا وقت اور اس کے بھد ضیاء کا مارشل لاء تاریخ کا سخت ترین مارشل لاء تھا اور کوئی پوچھنے والا نہیں تھا -
 

arifkarim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
وہ وقت اور تھا میرے بھائی ، اس وقت مارشل لاء اتنا سخت تھا دور چار بندے بھی جہاں اکٹھے ہو کر فوج پر تنقید کرتے تھے گرفتار کر لئے جاتے تھے جو زیادہ تر پیپلز پارٹی کے کارکن ہوتے تھے - نہ سوشل میڈیا تھا نہ چینلوں کی بھرمار -ایوب کا آخری دور ، یحییٰ خان کا وقت اور اس کے بھد ضیاء کا مارشل لاء تاریخ کا سخت ترین مارشل لاء تھا اور کوئی پوچھنے والا نہیں تھا -
آپ ٹائمنگ دیکھیں۔ ۲۰۰۸ سے ۲۰۱۶ تک فوج کیخلاف چورن نہیں بیچا گیا۔ جونہی فوج کا ہاتھ ن لیگ کے سر سے پاناما لیکس آنے پر ہٹا تو فوج بری ہو گئی۔ اسے منافقت کہتے ہیں فوج پر تنقید نہیں
 

Awan S

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
How many re-elections conducted for 2013 vs 2018 election due to rigging?
2018 was rigged by Army to bring Imran into power but who rigged 2013?
During 2013-2018 a lot of by-elections were held due to fake degree cases. Individual by-elections reasons were different but heavy majority was won by PML(N) as they had vote bank plus provincial governments in Punjab & Baluchistan and federal too. Supreme court/tribunal thoughtfully investigated results with months in investigation and called 2013 elections fair as much as possible in Pakistani environment. The difference between two parties vote was in hundreds of thousand in more than 70% constituencies in Punjab.

On a side note: PML(N) rigged elections in 2013 when they were not in power in federal & local bodies government and they were unable to rig elections when in 2018 they recently had all three levels on governments in Punjab i.e Federal, provincial and local bodies.
 

Okara

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
During 2013-2018 a lot of by-elections were held due to fake degree cases. Individual by-elections reasons were different but heavy majority was won by PML(N) as they had vote bank plus provincial governments in Punjab & Baluchistan and federal too. Supreme court/tribunal thoughtfully investigated results with months in investigation and called 2013 elections fair as much as possible in Pakistani environment. The difference between two parties vote was in hundreds of thousand in more than 70% constituencies in Punjab.

On a side note: PML(N) rigged elections in 2013 when they were not in power in federal & local bodies government and they were unable to rig elections when in 2018 they recently had all three levels on governments in Punjab i.e Federal, provincial and local bodies.
Who was ruling Punjab between 2008 and 2013?
Is ECP using staff from federal or provincial to conduct election?
In recent election in Karachi who die rig election in NA249 federal or provincial?