As hinted by Shaheen Sehbai sab earlier and now by Siddique Jaan.. He is a mole!
Amazing analysis
the so called PTI MPA abdul hai dasti, actually got elected as independent, check it and joined later, he will not be seen any where after the establishment´s move is done. This is drama from establishment. Establishment wants Jahangir Tareen and Shahbaz Sharif to form a new government in punjab and center.This is so unfortunate, never leave Imran Khan, whatever happensImran has lost it - he has shifted oo deep into idealism in the country which has gazillion other ills and his non elected dummies will prove to be Achilles heel for his government - unfortunately.
He should have listened to people who made PTI successful in 2018 - if this continues for 2-3 months PTI will be wiped out of Punjab to the third number party after PMLN and PMLQ and this is coming from who himself is an MPA of PTI and will not leave PTI for another party but maybe contest independently.
Imran has lost it - he has shifted oo deep into idealism in the country which has gazillion other ills and his non elected dummies will prove to be Achilles heel for his government - unfortunately.As hinted by Shaheen Sehbai sab earlier and now by Siddique Jaan.. He is a mole!
Amazing analysis
Had IK listened to us who have nothing to do with Shahbaz, Establishment or Zardari I would NEVER EVER think of leaving him. IK is also a human not farishta - I think he is making huge mistake of relying on his non elected dummies and they will drown him - unfortunately.the so called PTI MPA abdul hai dasti, actually got elected as independent, check it and joined later, he will not be seen any where after the establishment´s move is done. This is drama from establishment. Establishment wants Jahangir Tareen and Shahbaz Sharif to form a new government in punjab and center.This is so unfortunate, never leave Imran Khan, whatever happens
No he is not. Mole was Jahangir TareenAs hinted by Shaheen Sehbai sab earlier and now by Siddique Jaan.. He is a mole!
Amazing analysis
Exactly. Establishment is losing their power grip on Punjab, hence these daily dramasthe so called PTI MPA abdul hai dasti, actually got elected as independent, check it and joined later, he will not be seen any where after the establishment´s move is done. This is drama from establishment. Establishment wants Jahangir Tareen and Shahbaz Sharif to form a new government in punjab and center.This is so unfortunate, never leave Imran Khan, whatever happens
Imran Khan was brought in to put hand on big mafias. He is doing exactly what was promised.Imran has lost it - he has shifted oo deep into idealism in the country which has gazillion other ills and his non elected dummies will prove to be Achilles heel for his government - unfortunately.
He should have listened to people who made PTI successful in 2018 - if this continues for 2-3 months PTI will be wiped out of Punjab to the third number party after PMLN and PMLQ and this is coming from who himself is an MPA of PTI and will not leave PTI for another party but maybe contest independently.
This is common drama against every Ruling party. Remember hearing that nawaz sharif was surrounded by pervaiz rashid , fawad hasan fawad and mehmood achakzai otherwise he was good, Remember zardari surrounded by omni, anwar majeed and rehman malik otherwise he was, this drama has same pattern and peddled by same esatblishment dogs every time. They were corrupt that is why I would buy that time, this time I am not gonna buy itHad IK listened to us who have nothing to do with Shahbaz, Establishment or Zardari I would NEVER EVER think of leaving him. IK is also a human not farishta - I think he is making huge mistake of relying on his non elected dummies and they will drown him - unfortunately.
That is my view as I have to face voters in my constituency and in current circumstances I do not feel I nor anyone from my family will be able to win if IK keeps listening to "Babu Group" as we call these non elected ones who will never be seen if IK loses PM'ship.
Never were part of Zardari's or Nawaz's party - nor ever stated this.This is common drama against every Ruling party. Remember hearing that nawaz sharif was surrounded by pervaiz rashid , fawad hasan fawad and mehmood achakzai otherwise he was good, Remember zardari surrounded by omni, anwar majeed and rehman malik otherwise he was, this drama has same pattern and peddled by same esatblishment dogs every time. They were corrupt that is why I would buy that time, this time I am not gonna buy it
There are a lot of loopholes in what Shahzad Akbar says and I agree with your take on futures trading. I also do that here. The problem is that in Pakistan futures trading is done differently, every trader knows the price in a forward month , the market forces collude , factory owners collude, there is monoply of 10 dealers on the market and they decide the rate of sugar. that is the difference.Jehangit
Never were part of Zardari's or Nawaz's party - not ever stated this.
This is my view and you do not have to subscribe to it.
I think as have been seeing this each day what's going on last 3 years. There is no way on earth I will be winning with this performance of Buzdar ....I have no doubt about losing next election if IK keeps listening to this Babu Group.
Let's see if Shehzad Akbar is able to retrieve any rupee from Zardari or Nawaz first as they looted money from national exchequer.
If he wants to go after businessmen then be it - JKT used what laws were in that time. If Shahzad Akbar says Futures Contracts/Trading is gambling then what can one say.
Even right now as markets are closed in NY, I am still trading Futures as I type and now Mr Shahzad Akbar will give fatwa that disqualify all MPAs that do futures trading.
Propaganda :) I have to get votes to win. I remain in my constituency 70-80% time each month when I am in Pakistan.There are a lot of loopholes in what Shahzad Akbar says and I agree with your take on futures trading. I also do that here. The problem is that in Pakistan futures trading is done differently, every trader knows the price in a forward month , the market forces collude , factory owners collude, there is monoply of 10 dealers on the market and they decide the rate of sugar. that is the difference.
Performance of Buzdar is not bad, I went back to Pakistan, punjab is running OK, my small home town has sewerage now, which it did not have before , and the water was cleared after rain in one day, this is one example, the land mafia is being reined in, education department is working really good, outside of lahore, every thing is good, the funds are distributed quite good. Even he completed orange train of lahore in 2 years, what shahbaz sharif could not do in 5 years. The problem is with perception, same dirt, pollution and more smog in lahroe but punjab was shining in last 5 years, now there is some what lesser smog in Lahore but punjab is drowning because Buzdar has a bad face, you guys should get out of propaganda and really study how truth is trumped by perception through media handling
Futures trading here in the West does not cause sugar shortage ?Even right now as markets are closed in NY, I am still trading Futures as I type and now Mr Shahzad Akbar will give fatwa that disqualify all MPAs that do futures trading.
Then fix the system and bring reforms in the system.Futures trading here in the West does not cause sugar shortage ?
what are you? an MPA or what?Propaganda :) I have to get votes to win. I remain in my constituency 70-80% time each month when I am in Pakistan.
All I am saying is - what Jehangir Tareeen did as a businessman was what everyone was doing he did not do it because he had some Govt position hence there is a difference between corruption, breaking and beating the law. If there is a loophole in the system then fix that. What Shabbar Zaidi was saying is true that what JKT has done for regularization of sugar is praise worthy and instead of fixing the system Azam and Shahzad's beef against JKT is winning then I question the political astuteness of IK. I have to - no questions about his integrity and honesty. But if these two traits are enough to become successful politicians then Asghar Khan would have been the PM forever.
I personally know JKT and can safely say that his contribution to mechanized farming to enhance cotton's yield is big enough achievement which should have been replicated but IK has blinders on.
These Shahzad Akbar types will not be able to get IK re-elected. Politics is totally different beast, in one of the meetings where I was present - IK himself stated that he has to compromise to be able to play the game. All I am saying is that IK has to take stock of things and be realistic than idealist as idealism in Pakistan will not get him votes - in Scandinavia maybe, but not in current state Pakistan.
Mark my words and screenshot this conversation. We will revisit this thread after 2023 elections.
Yep, MPAwhat are you? an MPA or what?
Bhai jan, I am also an MPA on siasat.pk. A lot of what you are saying is can be seen as valid from one perspective. Sugar prices were raised because of collusion and you know that. Petrol crisis was produced because IK dropped the price to 75 that department of agriculture did not like and then prices were raised because of department of agriculture. Bureaucracy does not support PTI because of Khoon league. You know the inside if you are truly a public representative, i hopeYep, MPA
Friend, I have been in the presence of Hunza Sugar Mill owners when they were striking deals with Hamza Shahbaz in 2009 to keep their stocks hidden when Iftikhar Chaudhry went on rampage. This collusion has been going on since a very long time. If JKT has been involved in the same, he needs to come clean. And the establishment needs to grow a pair and support accountability.Yep, MPA
Propaganda :) I have to get votes to win. I remain in my constituency 70-80% time each month when I am in Pakistan.
All I am saying is - what Jehangir Tareeen did as a businessman was what everyone was doing he did not do it because he had some Govt position hence there is a difference between corruption, breaking and beating the law. If there is a loophole in the system then fix that. What Shabbar Zaidi was saying is true that what JKT has done for regularization of sugar is praise worthy and instead of fixing the system Azam and Shahzad's beef against JKT is winning then I question the political astuteness of IK. I have to - no questions about his integrity and honesty. But if these two traits are enough to become successful politicians then Asghar Khan would have been the PM forever.
I personally know JKT and can safely say that his contribution to mechanized farming to enhance cotton's yield is big enough achievement which should have been replicated but IK has blinders on.
These Shahzad Akbar types will not be able to get IK re-elected. Politics is totally different beast, in one of the meetings where I was present - IK himself stated that he has to compromise to be able to play the game. All I am saying is that IK has to take stock of things and be realistic than idealist as idealism in Pakistan will not get him votes - in Scandinavia maybe, but not in current state Pakistan.
Mark my words and screenshot this conversation. We will revisit this thread after 2023 elections.
Putting sugar mafia behind bars is fixing the system lolThen fix the system and bring reforms in the system.
Now it seems that ONLY issue of Pakistan is sugar, everything else is resolved but Pakistan's survival is based on the rate of sugar. All I am saying is there are better ways of addressing the issues.
Changing CS, or IG umpteen times will not work until you have clear direction and plan. Stop knee-jerk actions and have more strategic plans rather than reacting and developing on tactical plans which ironically even do not last few weeks.
Or.... keep dreaming and relying on Shahzad Akbar to put JKT in jail and then Pakistan will become heaven. If so, then surely put JKT and even me in jail - I'd be happy to pay this small price for our country to be made like heaven.....BUT PLEASE ENSURE Shahzad Akbar aka Einstein that nothing happens to Zardari and Nawaz as we would take it that they are most pious and pure souls.
Seriously nobody dared to touch sugar mafia since Ayub Khan's daysFriend, I have been in the presence of Hunza Sugar Mill owners when they were striking deals with Hamza Shahbaz in 2009 to keep their stocks hidden when Iftikhar Chaudhry went on rampage. This collusion has been going on since a very long time. If JKT has been involved in the same, he needs to come clean. And the establishment needs to grow a pair and support accountability.