صدارتی ریفرنس:سپریم کورٹ نےمنحرف ارکان سے متعلق آرٹیکل 63 اے کافیصلہ سنادیا

[Keep the trust]

Elahi has more votes than hamza.

 

[jigrot]

That is another subject. We are talking about federal level governance.

Do only one thing, get rid of this constitution and make a new fresh one.

 

[KPKInsafian]

I have the same feelings that PTI is distributing sweets prematurely. This SC can't rule in favor of PTI. There has to be some game plan behind this verdict too.

I also pointed out straight away, seems tio be a lollipop for distraction and slowing down the momentum.
Otherwise no way partner in crimes will give any decision in PTI favour.

 

[Siberite]

Other party also use no confident vote
If someone doesn't like party policy then don't join it simple

The party leader can't behave like a dictator after coming in to power. The NCV is a legitimate constitutional process to dismantle a civilian dictator . If you remove VNC, then you are pretty much on the mercy of the ruler for the full term and there is no constitutional way to remove him before his tenure. Which will definitely cause damage to the democratic process .

 

[shafali]

I agree. This case was in supreme court before any voting took place. Hamza is definitely in trouble because lotaas did use theirs votes against party line.

To the douche bags who are saying that this applies to future elections keep in mind that when kukri was elected this case was being heard in SC so even with your logic this verdict applies to kukri

 

[Siberite]

Do only one thing, get rid of this constitution and make a new fresh one.

Not in a million year. There is no way all parties will agree to one constitution . No matter what you say, the present constitution provides a legal avenue to run the country . You can still amend it to make it better .However, you need to have a prescribed majority to do that .

 

[Sn Sunny]

If the parties can't exercise their command on their members , they have no right to rule over the nation . It is mostly damaging to those parties who form Government by gathering turncoats and those who are not really sincere with their mission .

If the member can't exercise their on their party policy then what? it mean they have no vision and they join party for own benefit not for nation

 

[jigrot]

Not in a million year. There is no way all parties will agree to one constitution . No matter what you say, the present constitution provides a legal avenue to run the country . You can still amend it to make it better .However, you need to have a prescribed majority to do that .

Make it better.

 

[Siberite]

If the member can't exercise their on their party policy then what? it mean they have no vision and they join party for own benefit not for nation

Vote of no confident can't be brought back unless you have a designated number of members presenting it. Those parties which have no control over the different groups within it, always going to run a danger of getting vote of no confident . Individual one or two members can't bring the VNC.

 

[Siberite]

Make it better.

Instead of abolishing it and killing it .

 

[Meme]

I don't agree with this decision that the votes of those who voted or will vote against the party line should not be counted. If this is the case, what is the use of No confident vote ? If court wanted to make this decision , then they should have also either abolish the vote of no confident or amend the Vote of no confident resolution .
This will only embolden future civilian dictators to do whatever they like to do ,after having no fear of vote of confident .

یہ بات اپنی جگہ بالکل درست ہے پر غالبا عمران خان نے اپنے کارڈ اچھی طرح کھیل کر اسٹیبلشمنٹ اور عدلیہ کو پریشرائز کر دیا ہے۔ اب اسٹیبلشمنٹ اس حکومت کے پیچھے کھڑے ہونے کو تیار نہیں ہے۔ گمان ہے اگلے کچھ دنوں میں حکومت اسمبلیاں توڑ دے گی۔​

 

[Sn Sunny]

The party leader can't behave like a dictator after coming in to power. The NCV is a legitimate constitutional process to dismantle a civilian dictator . If you remove VNC, then you are pretty much on the mercy of the ruler for the full term and there is no constitutional way to remove him before his tenure. Which will definitely cause damage to the democratic process .

Agreement with party policy is not dictatorship
Using Other party vote is the constitutional way to remove him before his tenure

 

[Keep the trust]

EC decision has no value anymore. SC finished the match for members who voted against party policy.

 

[Sn Sunny]

Vote of no confident can't be brought back unless you have a designated number of members presenting it. Those parties which have no control over the different groups within it, always going to run a danger of getting vote of no confident . Individual one or two members can't bring the VNC.

What about party policy?

 

[Siberite]

Agreement with party policy is not dictatorship
Using Other party vote is the constitutional way to remove him before his tenure

Constitution gives free choice of vote to every member. This is a universal right that people will cast their vote with full independence . Forcing people to stay with the Government policies which may run against the country is a dangerous path . If you take away the right of the individual members of Parliament to speak against their own Government, then you are inviting trouble and pave a way for conspiracies and allow the undemocratic forces to play a rule .

 

[Lubnakhan]

میرے خیال سے سپریم کورٹ کے فیصلے کا پی ٹی آئی کو نقصان ہو گا۔
سپریم کورٹ نے ووٹ دینے کی صورت میں نہ گننے کا کہا ہے ، مگر ووٹ نا دینے کی صورت میں زبردستی گنا نہیں جائے گا۔
اس فیصلے کے بعد چونکہ منحرف ممبران کا ووٹ کائونٹ نہیں ہوا تو ان پر ڈیفیکشن نہیں لگے گی۔ اور دوسرے رائونڈ میں حمزء ووٹنگ کے وقت موجودہ افراد بے شک وہ 186 سے کم ہوں ان کی مدد سے وزیر اعلی بن جائے گا۔
اس وقت تک گورنر بھی ن لیگ کا آ چکا ہو گا تو وہ اعتماد کا ووٹ لینے کو نہیں کہے گا
اسہی دوران سپیکر بھی تبدیل کر سکتے ہیں جس پر ڈیفکشن کلاز نہیں لگتی۔ خفیہ رائے شماری میں سپیکر آرام سے تبدیل ہو سکتا ہے۔
اپنے سپیکر کی موجودگی میں مستقبل میں ن لیگ ڈیفکشن کا نوٹیفیکشن ہی نہیں کرے گی۔
آئین پاکستان میں موم کی ناک ہے۔ جس کا ڈنڈا ہوتا ہے سب اسہی کا ہوتا ہے

according to barrister Saad Rasool , the turncoats will be de-seated along with rejection of their vote.

 

[Siberite]

What about party policy?

A well entrench leader may not care about the party policies . the policy of a civilian dictator may run against their own manifesto. You don't want to provide the leader who is hell bent destroying the principles and values ,more fuel to accomplish his agenda. This a safe check , a safety value to monitor the performance of a ruler.

 

[Citizen X]

Worst case scenario for PML N is that the there will be second round of election. In that case, simple majority will no longer be required. Any candidate who gets more vote than the other candidate will be declared winner. Even excluding PTI's dissent members, PMLN has majority over PTI+PMLQ etc.

Which article of the constitution says that? Apni taraf se bongiyan aur dil to tassaliyan.

We all know very well Harami Noora ECP, EC and Lohar High Court will do its extreme best to somehow save kukrdi govt, but after SC judgement best they can do is drag on delay the matter

 

[Citizen X]

To the douche bags who are saying that this applies to future elections keep in mind that when kukri was elected this case was being heard in SC so even with your logic this verdict applies to kukri

Dil ko tassaliyan de rahe hain

 

[HIDDEN]

I don't agree with this decision that the votes of those who voted or will vote against the party line should not be counted. If this is the case, what is the use of No confident vote ? If court wanted to make this decision , then they should have also either abolish the vote of no confident or amend the Vote of no confident resolution .
This will only embolden future civilian dictators to do whatever they like to do ,after having no fear of vote of confident .

No confidence is for allies only.

A member who takes votes from public because of his affiliation with a party should adhere to the decisions of the party head.

There is another use of NCM, and this for the dissidents, if a party is broken into two groups, and the CM or PM is not the party head, then their votes can be counted.

So for example, if Nawaz Sharif is the party head, but he is not the PM, and he is not happy with Shahid Khaqan, but Shahid doesn't resign.. Nawaz can direct his party workers to take part in the NCM.