Conflict between Turkey and Greece in East Mediterranean
- Thread starter Abu Abdul Samad Khan
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AhmadSaleem264
Minister (2k+ posts)
Turkey has opened a lot of fronts at one time. Really a suicidal strategy
Abu Abdul Samad Khan
MPA (400+ posts)
Or confidence and no compromise on national interest
Vitamin_C
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Actually Greece is very weak and stands no change against Turkey and if there is war Greek weapons will be useless because US will side with Turkey and put arms embargo on Greece like they did during Cyprus war while secretly supply weapons to Turkey. Turkey is also allowed to maintain and produce American weapons like F-16 while Greek F-16 will become useless.
This is one of reason why Greece left Nato because they were being bullied by Turkey and US. Greece only hope is if France sides with them when there is war with Turkey.
This is one of reason why Greece left Nato because they were being bullied by Turkey and US. Greece only hope is if France sides with them when there is war with Turkey.
Jack Squire
MPA (400+ posts)
On the contrary US will side with Greece as is evident from the 2016 lira crisis that was caused by the US -- and the US will do so on behest of Israel that pulls the strings behind the curtain for Turkey has repeatedly said they will free palestine...
Vitamin_C
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Last time there was war between Greece and Turket. US sided with Turkey and put arms embargo on greece who could not get supplies for their f-16s. Which is why Greece bought Mirages even though their capability is the same as f-16.
Turkey is nato member but Greece is not. Americans and Turks may have their tits for tats here and there but they are allies and so is Israel that depends on Turkey for their water supply.
Turkey is nato member but Greece is not. Americans and Turks may have their tits for tats here and there but they are allies and so is Israel that depends on Turkey for their water supply.
This scenario is no longer valid. The crusaders will come together quickly just like they did in Iraq,Afghanistan,Syria,libya and Somalia.
The Muslims better get their heads out of the sand and quickly make a NATO type military alliance. Turkey,Iran and Pakistan. Since they are joined land wise too. Later on other like Afghanistan and newly independent russian stans can join. Forget about the Arabs and east Asians like Indonesia or Malaysia.
Vitamin_C
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Just like they did to bomb the shit out of Kosovo in support of their Christian Serb brothers? Wait... that's not what happened..
Vitamin_C
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Put all the Muslim countries on one side and even add India to it. Forget about Nato, you will be no match for US military. Get realistic.
Add All the gdp of the Stans and Afghanistan (with exception of Kazhakistan) their total gdp is less than Karachi(which itself is nothing to be proud of), so they are more of a liability than an asset. Thats the sad reality of Muslim world. We are insignificant part of world economy.
Add All the gdp of the Stans and Afghanistan (with exception of Kazhakistan) their total gdp is less than Karachi(which itself is nothing to be proud of), so they are more of a liability than an asset. Thats the sad reality of Muslim world. We are insignificant part of world economy.
Not sure where you are getting your info from but its incorrect.
Greece is a NATO member:
NATO - Wikipedia
Also EU is openly taking side of greece and Jo Biden has already announced his plans to dispose off Erdogan, if he comes in power.
I am a Turkish supporter and admire Erdogan’s leadership but he needs to play his cards carefully.
Vitamin_C
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
They are Nato member in name only. But in practise they left Nato decades ago.
They withdrew their units from Southern Mediterranean Nato forces in 1964.
www.nytimes.com
They also withdrew from Nato Command in 1974.
They threatened to withdraw completely from Nato in 1980 but US pressure forced them to reintegrate in Nato.
There is uneasiness between Greece and US, the loss of Cyprus is still fresh in their minds, that's why they decided to divert their weapon purchases away from US to European makers. They are especially bitter with US given American support for Greek Dictators.
You may be right about EU support for Greece, they are more likely to support Greece in a conflict with Turkey rather than US.
US problems are with Erdogan, not with Turkey. Infact US desperately needs Turkey as their Ally to keep a watch on not only the Middle East but also the Russians as Turkey has second largest Nato force. Erdogan is dragging Turkey backwards to the 19th century.
Pakistan, Malaysia, Turkey should stay away from the problems of the middle east if they want to progress, Islamism, terrorism, militancy is not the way to go in 21st century. Build good relations with both East and West, integrate with the global economy, build a good credit to reduce interest rates on our debt, build a robust economy and then have geopolitical ambitions. Right now is not a good time to show your chest to the West.
They withdrew their units from Southern Mediterranean Nato forces in 1964.
Greece Withdrawing Units From NATO to Aid Cyprus (Published 1964)
Greece withdraws contingent from SE Eur hq, Izmir; Cyprus dispute linked
They also withdrew from Nato Command in 1974.
They threatened to withdraw completely from Nato in 1980 but US pressure forced them to reintegrate in Nato.
There is uneasiness between Greece and US, the loss of Cyprus is still fresh in their minds, that's why they decided to divert their weapon purchases away from US to European makers. They are especially bitter with US given American support for Greek Dictators.
You may be right about EU support for Greece, they are more likely to support Greece in a conflict with Turkey rather than US.
US problems are with Erdogan, not with Turkey. Infact US desperately needs Turkey as their Ally to keep a watch on not only the Middle East but also the Russians as Turkey has second largest Nato force. Erdogan is dragging Turkey backwards to the 19th century.
Pakistan, Malaysia, Turkey should stay away from the problems of the middle east if they want to progress, Islamism, terrorism, militancy is not the way to go in 21st century. Build good relations with both East and West, integrate with the global economy, build a good credit to reduce interest rates on our debt, build a robust economy and then have geopolitical ambitions. Right now is not a good time to show your chest to the West.
Not sure where you are getting your info from but its incorrect.
Greece is a NATO member:
NATO - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
Also EU is openly taking side of greece and Jo Biden has already announced his plans to dispose off Erdogan, if he comes in power.
I am a Turkish supporter and admire Erdogan’s leadership but he needs to play his cards carefully.
Abu Abdul Samad Khan
MPA (400+ posts)
US will never support Turkey because Turkey is an irritant in Eastmed Pipeline project
Jack Squire
MPA (400+ posts)
Perhaps in the past yes, but Turkey under Erdogan is way different which is why in 2016 the US indirectly attempted a coup against Erdogan for they know he is a staunch muslim and not one that can be used as a puppet unlike the Sauds of Arabia...
Vitamin_C
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
US doesnt dislike Erdogan because he is not a puppet.
They dislike him because he is a fanatic and steering Turkey towards Russia.
US needs Turkey partnership to propect Europe from Russia but Erdogan is an unreliable partner.
But I think Erdogan is not going to last very long, Turks are starting to see his reality.
They dislike him because he is a fanatic and steering Turkey towards Russia.
US needs Turkey partnership to propect Europe from Russia but Erdogan is an unreliable partner.
But I think Erdogan is not going to last very long, Turks are starting to see his reality.
I just returned from holidays in Turkey and its far from truth that Turks dislike Erdogan.
He has done well for their country with modern solid infrastructure everywhere. Even in far and remote parts of the country you ve all basic amenities like electricity, internet, good highways and 4g mobile connection. Turkey has been stable during Erdogan times in terms of conflicts and infact ppl like that he is showing some character and standing up for the Turkish identity (incl religion), is not easily bullied by west etc
Also he is no fanatic, as you ve all sorts of religios freedoms for minorities like Christians (alot of Armenians live in Turkey) and even jews, who have multiple synagogues in Istanbul.
On the other hand what’s happening in India under Modi & BJP is religious extremism and ordinary ppl are starting to see the side affects.
He has done well for their country with modern solid infrastructure everywhere. Even in far and remote parts of the country you ve all basic amenities like electricity, internet, good highways and 4g mobile connection. Turkey has been stable during Erdogan times in terms of conflicts and infact ppl like that he is showing some character and standing up for the Turkish identity (incl religion), is not easily bullied by west etc
Also he is no fanatic, as you ve all sorts of religios freedoms for minorities like Christians (alot of Armenians live in Turkey) and even jews, who have multiple synagogues in Istanbul.
On the other hand what’s happening in India under Modi & BJP is religious extremism and ordinary ppl are starting to see the side affects.
