Custodianship of Two Holy Mosques

Aslan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Muslim countries esp non-Arab countries should start lobbying to take away control of holy mosques from Saudi Arabia.The holy mosques belong to Muslim ummah not Saudi Arabia.A pan-Islamic body should with members from all Muslim countries should be the custodian of holy mosques.Saudis are using the custodianship for political ends and for their own prestige.Finally Saudis have allowed many Jewish and western owned hotels to be opened in Mecca and Medina.
 
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bl0u81

Senator (1k+ posts)
Muslim countries esp non-Arab countries should start lobbying to take away control of holy mosques from Saudi Arabia.The holy mosques belong to Muslim ummah not Saudi Arabia.A pan-Islamic body should with members from all Muslim countries should be the custodian of holy mosques.Saudis are using the custodianship for political ends and for their own prestige.Finally Saudis have allowed many Jewish and western owned hotels to be opened in Mecca and Medina.
Based on the logic and reasoning you are giving, Muslims would be pushed back into Dark Ages.
some would argue, electricity is invention of western world so let’s not use it, same with Air Conditioners, Pumps, airplanes and what not.
please think logically before coming up with these Dark Ages types of ideas
 

desan

President (40k+ posts)
Muslim countries esp non-Arab countries should start lobbying to take away control of holy mosques from Saudi Arabia.The holy mosques belong to Muslim ummah not Saudi Arabia.A pan-Islamic body should with members from all Muslim countries should be the custodian of holy mosques.Saudis are using the custodianship for political ends and for their own prestige.Finally Saudis have allowed many Jewish and western owned hotels to be opened in Mecca and Medina.

It should have Vatican City style independence...

Monarchs of KSA have nothing to do with religion.
They are the slaves of the West and will do anything to keep their masters happy!!!
 

Aslan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Based on the logic and reasoning you are giving, Muslims would be pushed back into Dark Ages.
some would argue, electricity is invention of western world so let’s not use it, same with Air Conditioners, Pumps, airplanes and what not.
please think logically before coming up with these Dark Ages types of ideas
My argument makes perfect sense.I am not advocating use of force.It should be decided by democratic means and only if there is consensus.Saudis have no right to have control of the two holy mosques.These mosques belong to the ummah therefore a pan-Islamic body should look after these mosques.The income raised from Hajj and Umra is enough for maintenance of the mosques.Individual countries can contribute money if they wish.This subject has been discussed in newspapers and by many analysts already.This is Saudis worst fear because they know if they lose control of the holy mosques they can no longer pretend to be leaders of the Muslim world.
 

Masud Javed

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
agree
and why should this just one family make all of the profit from hajj and umrah

it should be spent on educating the muslim countries
 

imran_hosein_fan

Minister (2k+ posts)
2023, end of 99 years treaty with Ottomann Khalifa! Saudis wants war before that to divert the attention of the world from the issue!
 

MADdoo

Minister (2k+ posts)
My argument makes perfect sense.I am not advocating use of force.It should be decided by democratic means and only if there is consensus.Saudis have no right to have control of the two holy mosques.These mosques belong to the ummah therefore a pan-Islamic body should look after these mosques.The income raised from Hajj and Umra is enough for maintenance of the mosques.Individual countries can contribute money if they wish.This subject has been discussed in newspapers and by many analysts already.This is Saudis worst fear because they know if they lose control of the holy mosques they can no longer pretend to be leaders of the Muslim world.
Saudis took it by force do you think they will move out without force. There is no democracy in Arab world, so don't expect they will allow non arab to be part of custodian ship Makkah Madina.
Unfortunately we muslims are so dumb, divided that we can make decision with dialogue. we don't value others rights, if we start value other muslims rights then there is no fight.