Electronic Voting Machines: Good In Theory, Nightmare In Practice

Resilient

Minister (2k+ posts)
Prime Minister Imran Khan has expressed his interest regarding the implementation of Electronic Voting Machines for future elections. The proposed machines consist of two separate units, a control unit and a balloting unit. While this is an ambitious feat for Mr Khan to want to accomplish, it is worth noting the implications which such a distinct transformation in election procedure could cause.


Some 12 years ago, the Election Commission of Pakistan established the EVM Committee, in order to properly gauge how well the technology associated with such machines could be put into practice in a Pakistani environment. $6.5 billion, or 1 trillion Pakistani rupees, must be pumped into the project in order to replace manual paper ballot voting procedures with digital ones; this includes the machines themselves, biometric verification tactics as well as a new system for Overseas Pakistanis to cast their votes through the internet.


Those familiar with electoral procedures aren’t convinced this line of machinery will be effective, however. Former secretary of the Election Commission of Pakistan, Kanwar Dilshad, recently attested to the lack of trust he placed in the government’s exercise to host a rejuvenated sense of ‘free and fair elections’ by means of this new medium in the country.


“This is a futile exercise,” he said, adding that 60 billion rupees had to be exhausted on the procurement of 350,000 machines. “Pilot projects [carried out by the ECP] regarding [the implementation of] EVMs have failed in the past.”


In 2018, a similar technology called the Result Transmission System was implemented into the general election process. While at first it seemed like a promising breakthrough, it collapsed on itself during the counting process. Senator Taj Haider of the Pakistan People’s Party has stated that, after this affair, “no political party is ready to trust technology.”


Another issue he pointed to is the lack of trust the political opposition places in the autocratic-style of leadership which currently governs the nation, which they believe could comfortably meddle with the results. Brash military tactics have been used to sway public perception in the country’s past, and the many Pakistani parties aren’t quite ready to turn the other cheek; Haider isn’t convinced that the use of novel EVMs will be any different. “E-voting can only proceed if elections [can be] conducted without establishment interference under an honest and independent Election Commission.”


Ground rules must be laid out, and a code of ethics has to be put into action if there is to be any trust placed in the new EVM systems. Senior PML(N) leader Raja Zafar ul-Haq has said that EVMs would diminish the electoral process’ credibility if it were to be launched without a consensus. A “fear of manipulation” would be felt by most across the country, he added.


In 2018, government officials coalesced a document looking into internet voting as a whole. Their main finding was that most technologically-advanced countries worldwide either “rolled back” e-voting, or “deliberately chose” not to deploy it. “Researchers have discovered vulnerabilities […] on such systems,” the audit went on to say. These were found in countries like the U.S. and Australia, which affected tens of thousands of votes there, respectively.


Those who were conducting the report sought to prove their concerns. As a result, officials sent fake emails addressed from NADRA, the country’s National Database and Registration Authority, which directed suspecting victims (voters) to a fraudulent voting website. The result, they concluded, was that the deliberate phishing attempt was a major success. This is to say that if proper protocols are not followed in the administration of millions of voting machines across the Republic, deliberate manipulation is not a far-fetched theme to be concerned of.


The costs relating to the education regarding the use of these machines is another aspect to account for altogether. As of August 2020, only 40.95% of Pakistani citizens have access to the internet, and only 15.9% have smartphones. To implement Electronic Voting Machines is a liberty which can only be afforded to those with the means of understanding the process in the first place.


In 2002, the Republic of Ireland carried out a similar exercise, by utilising Electronic Voting Machines in just three of their forty-two constituencies. After mass public opposition due to a lack of effective guidance as to the proper usage of the machines, the idea was dumped, and the fifty-four million euros which had been spent on the scheme went to waste. The systems were ultimately scrapped for nine euros and thirty cents per machine, the equivalent of less than two thousand Pakistani rupees today. Today, the Irish population is still undecided or flat-out pessimistic in response to EVMs being reintroduced into the electoral process. For a country praised as being the IT hub of Europe, home to hundreds of multinational software and hardware companies, to be weary of proposed technological advancement speaks volumes with regards to the catastrophic nature of e-voting.


In the quest of modernisation, entire elections can be made redundant. If Electronic Voting Machines are to be introduced, they require a solid foundation, extensive and plentiful research, and rugged backing from an impartial organisation outside of the authority of any power, as well as, not to mention, comprehensive preparation for everyone, and not a select few, to effectively put to use this new technology. No one person should be left behind.

https://thursdaytimes.com/2021/05/06/opinion/evm-nightmare/
 

There is only 1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
وہ دنیا پاگل ہے جو بینکوں کا نظام ، دفاتر کا نظام ، امپورٹ ایکسپورٹ ، ائیرپورٹ وغیرہ سب کمپیوٹرایزڈ نظام میں چلا رہی ہے ؟

زیادہ تر کالم نویس ، سیاست دان بڈھے جاہل ہیں انہیں ٹیکنالوجی کی الف بے کا بھی پتہ نہیں اسی لئے جدت کی مخالفت کرتے ہیں
 

hassanattique

MPA (400+ posts)
When there is a will there's a way. If Cost is the issue then We can divide election into 4 parts. Each province election should happen on separate day hence utilizing the same machine again. Same like in India. As far as credibility goes, We can keep both manual and electronic machine part initially to address the opposition concern.
 

ChulBul

Senator (1k+ posts)
Prime Minister Imran Khan has expressed his interest regarding the implementation of Electronic Voting Machines for future elections. The proposed machines consist of two separate units, a control unit and a balloting unit. While this is an ambitious feat for Mr Khan to want to accomplish, it is worth noting the implications which such a distinct transformation in election procedure could cause.


Some 12 years ago, the Election Commission of Pakistan established the EVM Committee, in order to properly gauge how well the technology associated with such machines could be put into practice in a Pakistani environment. $6.5 billion, or 1 trillion Pakistani rupees, must be pumped into the project in order to replace manual paper ballot voting procedures with digital ones; this includes the machines themselves, biometric verification tactics as well as a new system for Overseas Pakistanis to cast their votes through the internet.


Those familiar with electoral procedures aren’t convinced this line of machinery will be effective, however. Former secretary of the Election Commission of Pakistan, Kanwar Dilshad, recently attested to the lack of trust he placed in the government’s exercise to host a rejuvenated sense of ‘free and fair elections’ by means of this new medium in the country.


“This is a futile exercise,” he said, adding that 60 billion rupees had to be exhausted on the procurement of 350,000 machines. “Pilot projects [carried out by the ECP] regarding [the implementation of] EVMs have failed in the past.”


In 2018, a similar technology called the Result Transmission System was implemented into the general election process. While at first it seemed like a promising breakthrough, it collapsed on itself during the counting process. Senator Taj Haider of the Pakistan People’s Party has stated that, after this affair, “no political party is ready to trust technology.”


Another issue he pointed to is the lack of trust the political opposition places in the autocratic-style of leadership which currently governs the nation, which they believe could comfortably meddle with the results. Brash military tactics have been used to sway public perception in the country’s past, and the many Pakistani parties aren’t quite ready to turn the other cheek; Haider isn’t convinced that the use of novel EVMs will be any different. “E-voting can only proceed if elections [can be] conducted without establishment interference under an honest and independent Election Commission.”


Ground rules must be laid out, and a code of ethics has to be put into action if there is to be any trust placed in the new EVM systems. Senior PML(N) leader Raja Zafar ul-Haq has said that EVMs would diminish the electoral process’ credibility if it were to be launched without a consensus. A “fear of manipulation” would be felt by most across the country, he added.


In 2018, government officials coalesced a document looking into internet voting as a whole. Their main finding was that most technologically-advanced countries worldwide either “rolled back” e-voting, or “deliberately chose” not to deploy it. “Researchers have discovered vulnerabilities […] on such systems,” the audit went on to say. These were found in countries like the U.S. and Australia, which affected tens of thousands of votes there, respectively.


Those who were conducting the report sought to prove their concerns. As a result, officials sent fake emails addressed from NADRA, the country’s National Database and Registration Authority, which directed suspecting victims (voters) to a fraudulent voting website. The result, they concluded, was that the deliberate phishing attempt was a major success. This is to say that if proper protocols are not followed in the administration of millions of voting machines across the Republic, deliberate manipulation is not a far-fetched theme to be concerned of.


The costs relating to the education regarding the use of these machines is another aspect to account for altogether. As of August 2020, only 40.95% of Pakistani citizens have access to the internet, and only 15.9% have smartphones. To implement Electronic Voting Machines is a liberty which can only be afforded to those with the means of understanding the process in the first place.


In 2002, the Republic of Ireland carried out a similar exercise, by utilising Electronic Voting Machines in just three of their forty-two constituencies. After mass public opposition due to a lack of effective guidance as to the proper usage of the machines, the idea was dumped, and the fifty-four million euros which had been spent on the scheme went to waste. The systems were ultimately scrapped for nine euros and thirty cents per machine, the equivalent of less than two thousand Pakistani rupees today. Today, the Irish population is still undecided or flat-out pessimistic in response to EVMs being reintroduced into the electoral process. For a country praised as being the IT hub of Europe, home to hundreds of multinational software and hardware companies, to be weary of proposed technological advancement speaks volumes with regards to the catastrophic nature of e-voting.


In the quest of modernisation, entire elections can be made redundant. If Electronic Voting Machines are to be introduced, they require a solid foundation, extensive and plentiful research, and rugged backing from an impartial organisation outside of the authority of any power, as well as, not to mention, comprehensive preparation for everyone, and not a select few, to effectively put to use this new technology. No one person should be left behind.

https://thursdaytimes.com/2021/05/06/opinion/evm-nightmare/
Siri Payee Nihari Khady, Patwari Zindabad.
 

surfer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Prime Minister Imran Khan has expressed his interest regarding the implementation of Electronic Voting Machines for future elections. The proposed machines consist of two separate units, a control unit and a balloting unit. While this is an ambitious feat for Mr Khan to want to accomplish, it is worth noting the implications which such a distinct transformation in election procedure could cause.


Some 12 years ago, the Election Commission of Pakistan established the EVM Committee, in order to properly gauge how well the technology associated with such machines could be put into practice in a Pakistani environment. $6.5 billion, or 1 trillion Pakistani rupees, must be pumped into the project in order to replace manual paper ballot voting procedures with digital ones; this includes the machines themselves, biometric verification tactics as well as a new system for Overseas Pakistanis to cast their votes through the internet.


Those familiar with electoral procedures aren’t convinced this line of machinery will be effective, however. Former secretary of the Election Commission of Pakistan, Kanwar Dilshad, recently attested to the lack of trust he placed in the government’s exercise to host a rejuvenated sense of ‘free and fair elections’ by means of this new medium in the country.


“This is a futile exercise,” he said, adding that 60 billion rupees had to be exhausted on the procurement of 350,000 machines. “Pilot projects [carried out by the ECP] regarding [the implementation of] EVMs have failed in the past.”


In 2018, a similar technology called the Result Transmission System was implemented into the general election process. While at first it seemed like a promising breakthrough, it collapsed on itself during the counting process. Senator Taj Haider of the Pakistan People’s Party has stated that, after this affair, “no political party is ready to trust technology.”


Another issue he pointed to is the lack of trust the political opposition places in the autocratic-style of leadership which currently governs the nation, which they believe could comfortably meddle with the results. Brash military tactics have been used to sway public perception in the country’s past, and the many Pakistani parties aren’t quite ready to turn the other cheek; Haider isn’t convinced that the use of novel EVMs will be any different. “E-voting can only proceed if elections [can be] conducted without establishment interference under an honest and independent Election Commission.”


Ground rules must be laid out, and a code of ethics has to be put into action if there is to be any trust placed in the new EVM systems. Senior PML(N) leader Raja Zafar ul-Haq has said that EVMs would diminish the electoral process’ credibility if it were to be launched without a consensus. A “fear of manipulation” would be felt by most across the country, he added.


In 2018, government officials coalesced a document looking into internet voting as a whole. Their main finding was that most technologically-advanced countries worldwide either “rolled back” e-voting, or “deliberately chose” not to deploy it. “Researchers have discovered vulnerabilities […] on such systems,” the audit went on to say. These were found in countries like the U.S. and Australia, which affected tens of thousands of votes there, respectively.


Those who were conducting the report sought to prove their concerns. As a result, officials sent fake emails addressed from NADRA, the country’s National Database and Registration Authority, which directed suspecting victims (voters) to a fraudulent voting website. The result, they concluded, was that the deliberate phishing attempt was a major success. This is to say that if proper protocols are not followed in the administration of millions of voting machines across the Republic, deliberate manipulation is not a far-fetched theme to be concerned of.


The costs relating to the education regarding the use of these machines is another aspect to account for altogether. As of August 2020, only 40.95% of Pakistani citizens have access to the internet, and only 15.9% have smartphones. To implement Electronic Voting Machines is a liberty which can only be afforded to those with the means of understanding the process in the first place.


In 2002, the Republic of Ireland carried out a similar exercise, by utilising Electronic Voting Machines in just three of their forty-two constituencies. After mass public opposition due to a lack of effective guidance as to the proper usage of the machines, the idea was dumped, and the fifty-four million euros which had been spent on the scheme went to waste. The systems were ultimately scrapped for nine euros and thirty cents per machine, the equivalent of less than two thousand Pakistani rupees today. Today, the Irish population is still undecided or flat-out pessimistic in response to EVMs being reintroduced into the electoral process. For a country praised as being the IT hub of Europe, home to hundreds of multinational software and hardware companies, to be weary of proposed technological advancement speaks volumes with regards to the catastrophic nature of e-voting.


In the quest of modernisation, entire elections can be made redundant. If Electronic Voting Machines are to be introduced, they require a solid foundation, extensive and plentiful research, and rugged backing from an impartial organisation outside of the authority of any power, as well as, not to mention, comprehensive preparation for everyone, and not a select few, to effectively put to use this new technology. No one person should be left behind.

https://thursdaytimes.com/2021/05/06/opinion/evm-nightmare/
Another Patwari powered article, just have to follow the links to get to the author's twitter to see how much of a mian sahib slave he is....

moving forward from that, the author seems to be deliberately or out of ignorance confusing the concept of electronic voting v internet voting

plus the two foreign examples he is quoting are from 12 years ago and 19 years ago? How about looking at our neighbours sucess with EVM in the last few years?

19 years ago, smart phones were also not around, tech moves forward....good thing steve jobs and others didn't listen to Raza Butt

Seriously, you have to be a bigger dumbass then Maryum Nawaz to believe and propagate such obvious hack pieces...
 

surfer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Prime Minister Imran Khan has expressed his interest regarding the implementation of Electronic Voting Machines for future elections. The proposed machines consist of two separate units, a control unit and a balloting unit. While this is an ambitious feat for Mr Khan to want to accomplish, it is worth noting the implications which such a distinct transformation in election procedure could cause.


Some 12 years ago, the Election Commission of Pakistan established the EVM Committee, in order to properly gauge how well the technology associated with such machines could be put into practice in a Pakistani environment. $6.5 billion, or 1 trillion Pakistani rupees, must be pumped into the project in order to replace manual paper ballot voting procedures with digital ones; this includes the machines themselves, biometric verification tactics as well as a new system for Overseas Pakistanis to cast their votes through the internet.


Those familiar with electoral procedures aren’t convinced this line of machinery will be effective, however. Former secretary of the Election Commission of Pakistan, Kanwar Dilshad, recently attested to the lack of trust he placed in the government’s exercise to host a rejuvenated sense of ‘free and fair elections’ by means of this new medium in the country.


“This is a futile exercise,” he said, adding that 60 billion rupees had to be exhausted on the procurement of 350,000 machines. “Pilot projects [carried out by the ECP] regarding [the implementation of] EVMs have failed in the past.”


In 2018, a similar technology called the Result Transmission System was implemented into the general election process. While at first it seemed like a promising breakthrough, it collapsed on itself during the counting process. Senator Taj Haider of the Pakistan People’s Party has stated that, after this affair, “no political party is ready to trust technology.”


Another issue he pointed to is the lack of trust the political opposition places in the autocratic-style of leadership which currently governs the nation, which they believe could comfortably meddle with the results. Brash military tactics have been used to sway public perception in the country’s past, and the many Pakistani parties aren’t quite ready to turn the other cheek; Haider isn’t convinced that the use of novel EVMs will be any different. “E-voting can only proceed if elections [can be] conducted without establishment interference under an honest and independent Election Commission.”


Ground rules must be laid out, and a code of ethics has to be put into action if there is to be any trust placed in the new EVM systems. Senior PML(N) leader Raja Zafar ul-Haq has said that EVMs would diminish the electoral process’ credibility if it were to be launched without a consensus. A “fear of manipulation” would be felt by most across the country, he added.


In 2018, government officials coalesced a document looking into internet voting as a whole. Their main finding was that most technologically-advanced countries worldwide either “rolled back” e-voting, or “deliberately chose” not to deploy it. “Researchers have discovered vulnerabilities […] on such systems,” the audit went on to say. These were found in countries like the U.S. and Australia, which affected tens of thousands of votes there, respectively.


Those who were conducting the report sought to prove their concerns. As a result, officials sent fake emails addressed from NADRA, the country’s National Database and Registration Authority, which directed suspecting victims (voters) to a fraudulent voting website. The result, they concluded, was that the deliberate phishing attempt was a major success. This is to say that if proper protocols are not followed in the administration of millions of voting machines across the Republic, deliberate manipulation is not a far-fetched theme to be concerned of.


The costs relating to the education regarding the use of these machines is another aspect to account for altogether. As of August 2020, only 40.95% of Pakistani citizens have access to the internet, and only 15.9% have smartphones. To implement Electronic Voting Machines is a liberty which can only be afforded to those with the means of understanding the process in the first place.


In 2002, the Republic of Ireland carried out a similar exercise, by utilising Electronic Voting Machines in just three of their forty-two constituencies. After mass public opposition due to a lack of effective guidance as to the proper usage of the machines, the idea was dumped, and the fifty-four million euros which had been spent on the scheme went to waste. The systems were ultimately scrapped for nine euros and thirty cents per machine, the equivalent of less than two thousand Pakistani rupees today. Today, the Irish population is still undecided or flat-out pessimistic in response to EVMs being reintroduced into the electoral process. For a country praised as being the IT hub of Europe, home to hundreds of multinational software and hardware companies, to be weary of proposed technological advancement speaks volumes with regards to the catastrophic nature of e-voting.


In the quest of modernisation, entire elections can be made redundant. If Electronic Voting Machines are to be introduced, they require a solid foundation, extensive and plentiful research, and rugged backing from an impartial organisation outside of the authority of any power, as well as, not to mention, comprehensive preparation for everyone, and not a select few, to effectively put to use this new technology. No one person should be left behind.

https://thursdaytimes.com/2021/05/06/opinion/evm-nightmare/
your own mini-sher is not happy with current process, but you guys are also not happy with proposed process.....please suggest a solution acceptable to all?

 

bl0u81

Senator (1k+ posts)
So author is saying that manual voting which includes manual writing, manual counting and manual audit is more accurate then what a machine does. Just wondering if writer would now argue that using pigeons to send letters is more effective than emails.
 

EngrHaseebShahid

Minister (2k+ posts)
Prime Minister Imran Khan has expressed his interest regarding the implementation of Electronic Voting Machines for future elections. The proposed machines consist of two separate units, a control unit and a balloting unit. While this is an ambitious feat for Mr Khan to want to accomplish, it is worth noting the implications which such a distinct transformation in election procedure could cause.


Some 12 years ago, the Election Commission of Pakistan established the EVM Committee, in order to properly gauge how well the technology associated with such machines could be put into practice in a Pakistani environment. $6.5 billion, or 1 trillion Pakistani rupees, must be pumped into the project in order to replace manual paper ballot voting procedures with digital ones; this includes the machines themselves, biometric verification tactics as well as a new system for Overseas Pakistanis to cast their votes through the internet.


Those familiar with electoral procedures aren’t convinced this line of machinery will be effective, however. Former secretary of the Election Commission of Pakistan, Kanwar Dilshad, recently attested to the lack of trust he placed in the government’s exercise to host a rejuvenated sense of ‘free and fair elections’ by means of this new medium in the country.


“This is a futile exercise,” he said, adding that 60 billion rupees had to be exhausted on the procurement of 350,000 machines. “Pilot projects [carried out by the ECP] regarding [the implementation of] EVMs have failed in the past.”


In 2018, a similar technology called the Result Transmission System was implemented into the general election process. While at first it seemed like a promising breakthrough, it collapsed on itself during the counting process. Senator Taj Haider of the Pakistan People’s Party has stated that, after this affair, “no political party is ready to trust technology.”


Another issue he pointed to is the lack of trust the political opposition places in the autocratic-style of leadership which currently governs the nation, which they believe could comfortably meddle with the results. Brash military tactics have been used to sway public perception in the country’s past, and the many Pakistani parties aren’t quite ready to turn the other cheek; Haider isn’t convinced that the use of novel EVMs will be any different. “E-voting can only proceed if elections [can be] conducted without establishment interference under an honest and independent Election Commission.”


Ground rules must be laid out, and a code of ethics has to be put into action if there is to be any trust placed in the new EVM systems. Senior PML(N) leader Raja Zafar ul-Haq has said that EVMs would diminish the electoral process’ credibility if it were to be launched without a consensus. A “fear of manipulation” would be felt by most across the country, he added.


In 2018, government officials coalesced a document looking into internet voting as a whole. Their main finding was that most technologically-advanced countries worldwide either “rolled back” e-voting, or “deliberately chose” not to deploy it. “Researchers have discovered vulnerabilities […] on such systems,” the audit went on to say. These were found in countries like the U.S. and Australia, which affected tens of thousands of votes there, respectively.


Those who were conducting the report sought to prove their concerns. As a result, officials sent fake emails addressed from NADRA, the country’s National Database and Registration Authority, which directed suspecting victims (voters) to a fraudulent voting website. The result, they concluded, was that the deliberate phishing attempt was a major success. This is to say that if proper protocols are not followed in the administration of millions of voting machines across the Republic, deliberate manipulation is not a far-fetched theme to be concerned of.


The costs relating to the education regarding the use of these machines is another aspect to account for altogether. As of August 2020, only 40.95% of Pakistani citizens have access to the internet, and only 15.9% have smartphones. To implement Electronic Voting Machines is a liberty which can only be afforded to those with the means of understanding the process in the first place.


In 2002, the Republic of Ireland carried out a similar exercise, by utilising Electronic Voting Machines in just three of their forty-two constituencies. After mass public opposition due to a lack of effective guidance as to the proper usage of the machines, the idea was dumped, and the fifty-four million euros which had been spent on the scheme went to waste. The systems were ultimately scrapped for nine euros and thirty cents per machine, the equivalent of less than two thousand Pakistani rupees today. Today, the Irish population is still undecided or flat-out pessimistic in response to EVMs being reintroduced into the electoral process. For a country praised as being the IT hub of Europe, home to hundreds of multinational software and hardware companies, to be weary of proposed technological advancement speaks volumes with regards to the catastrophic nature of e-voting.


In the quest of modernisation, entire elections can be made redundant. If Electronic Voting Machines are to be introduced, they require a solid foundation, extensive and plentiful research, and rugged backing from an impartial organisation outside of the authority of any power, as well as, not to mention, comprehensive preparation for everyone, and not a select few, to effectively put to use this new technology. No one person should be left behind.

https://thursdaytimes.com/2021/05/06/opinion/evm-nightmare/
naway n zardari jesy haramiyoo k liye tou nightmare hai
US n UK mai bhi EVM hai..kaheen ssy tou start krna hy...wrna ho jahan se haray ga rola dalay ga
like pmln k liye NA-75mai EC acha hy aur NA-249 mai bura ban gaya
 

Resilient

Minister (2k+ posts)
Another Patwari powered article, just have to follow the links to get to the author's twitter to see how much of a mian sahib slave he is....

moving forward from that, the author seems to be deliberately or out of ignorance confusing the concept of electronic voting v internet voting

plus the two foreign examples he is quoting are from 12 years ago and 19 years ago? How about looking at our neighbours sucess with EVM in the last few years?

19 years ago, smart phones were also not around, tech moves forward....good thing steve jobs and others didn't listen to Raza Butt

Seriously, you have to be a bigger dumbass then Maryum Nawaz to believe and propagate such obvious hack pieces...

It is not the thing of decades ago just last years there widespread allegations of hacking in US election:

 

Kam

Minister (2k+ posts)
All column is irrelevant.
At first, Government did not proposed internet voting.
For voting in Pakistan, electronic voting is proposed which will solve many issues such as counting, verification and authentication. No one should have any issue on this.
People opposing have vested interests for rigging.
By this method, rigging will stop.
One need to understand loopholes where rigging happens,
1. During counting
2. During form 45
3. During transportation
All these issues will resolve by VVPAT.

For overseas, it's better that there should be reserve seats for each country where population is more than 200,000 or as per avg votes in constituency. Overseas votes should not impact local constituencies.
 

Kam

Minister (2k+ posts)
It is not the thing of decades ago just last years there widespread allegations of hacking in US election:

My friend, US and our voting process is different. US is using digital voting and they have presidential system and vote casted in whole country goes to one party and one candidate not like parliamentary system.
Whereas in our system, each polling station will have a different machine for each constituency.
Presence of Police, military and polling agents will ensure right person appear for vote. Instead of pre-printing, we are only issueing ballot by machine and counting by machine. Printed ballots ensure machine accuracy.
 
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Resilient

Minister (2k+ posts)
وہ دنیا پاگل ہے جو بینکوں کا نظام ، دفاتر کا نظام ، امپورٹ ایکسپورٹ ، ائیرپورٹ وغیرہ سب کمپیوٹرایزڈ نظام میں چلا رہی ہے ؟

زیادہ تر کالم نویس ، سیاست دان بڈھے جاہل ہیں انہیں ٹیکنالوجی کی الف بے کا بھی پتہ نہیں اسی لئے جدت کی مخالفت کرتے ہیں

دفتر ، ایئر پورٹ اور الیکشن دو مختلف چیزیں ہیں ، ایک بس پیسوں کا لین دین ہے دوسرا طاقت کا مرکز ہے

ہم ابھی تک ایمیزون اور ای بے کو تو لا نہیں سکے ، الیکٹرانک ووٹنگ ایک بہت بڑا ٹاسک ہے پچھلے الیکشن میں اس سے کہیں چھوٹا سافٹوئیر آر ٹی ایس تھا جو الیکشن سے پہلے متعدد بار کامیابی سے ٹیسٹ کیا گیا اور الیکشن کی رات بیٹھ گیا تھا

پھر اصل مسئلہ ٹیکنالوجی کا نہیں ہے اعتبار کا ہے ، کون سا قانون کہتا ہے کہ پریزائڈنگ افسران کو اغوا کرکے ساری رات ایک جگہ جمع رکھا جائے اور ٹھپے لگا کر صبح انہیں ایک ساتھ رہا کیا جائے؟؟

آپ مشینیں ہی غائب کردیں گے تو کاہے کی ٹیکنالوجی؟؟
 

surfer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
It is not the thing of decades ago just last years there widespread allegations of hacking in US election:

Hacking of what though? All the allegations were of hacking "voter registration databases", not the actual machines or the process of voting on elections day. This would be akin to hackers targeting NADRA database, which is a risk with or without EVMs.

The Senate Intelligence Committee (after a two year investigation) in fact determined no votes were actually changed/hacked during 2016 elections. The summary of the 1000+ plus report is below:

https://www.burr.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/RussRptInstlmt1- ElecSec Findings,Recs2.pdf

In fact, there recommendation for future-proofing was to:

"States should rapidly replace outdated and vulnerable voting systems. At a minimum, any machine purchased going forward should have a voter-verified paper trail and no WiFi capability. If use of paper ballots becomes more widespread, election officials should re-examine current practices for securing the chain of custody of all paper ballots and verify no opportunities exist for the introduction of fraudulent votes"

Now what is more credible?

a) report of two year investigation by US Senate Intelligence Committee OR
b) article after 20 mins of googling by Mr.Raza Butt on thursdaytimes blog?

Let me know what you think?
 

peaceandjustice

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
When there is a will there's a way. If Cost is the issue then We can divide election into 4 parts. Each province election should happen on separate day hence utilizing the same machine again. Same like in India. As far as credibility goes, We can keep both manual and electronic machine part initially to address the opposition concern.
صحیح کہا آپ نے دنیا کے بہت سے ممالک میں فیڈرل الیکشن اور صوبائی الیکشن کے مختلف مہینوں / سالوں بعد ہوتے ہیں ایک پاکستان میں ہی آگ لگی رہتی ھے کہ ایک ہی دن میں سارے الیکشن کرانے جاتے ہیں یہاں تک کہ فیڈرل الیکشن یا صوبائی الیکشنز کے لیے ایڈوانس ووٹنگ کے زریعے 3 سے 5 دن ووٹرز کو ایڈوانس ووٹنگ کا ٹائم دیا جاتا ھے تاکہ زیادہ سے زیادہ عوام اپنے ووٹ کا حق ادا کر سکیں
 

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دفتر ، ایئر پورٹ اور الیکشن دو مختلف چیزیں ہیں ، ایک بس پیسوں کا لین دین ہے دوسرا طاقت کا مرکز ہے

ہم ابھی تک ایمیزون اور ای بے کو تو لا نہیں سکے ، الیکٹرانک ووٹنگ ایک بہت بڑا ٹاسک ہے پچھلے الیکشن میں اس سے کہیں چھوٹا سافٹوئیر آر ٹی ایس تھا جو الیکشن سے پہلے متعدد بار کامیابی سے ٹیسٹ کیا گیا اور الیکشن کی رات بیٹھ گیا تھا

پھر اصل مسئلہ ٹیکنالوجی کا نہیں ہے اعتبار کا ہے ، کون سا قانون کہتا ہے کہ پریزائڈنگ افسران کو اغوا کرکے ساری رات ایک جگہ جمع رکھا جائے اور ٹھپے لگا کر صبح انہیں ایک ساتھ رہا کیا جائے؟؟

آپ مشینیں ہی غائب کردیں گے تو کاہے کی ٹیکنالوجی؟؟

اس فرسودہ سوچ پر کون نہ قربان جائے ؟؟؟!!!؟؟؟
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آپ یقینا نہیں جانتے کہ ٹیکنالوجی کو فول پروف بنایا جا سکتا ہے یہاں تک کہ ملکوں کا دفاعی نظام بھی کمپیوٹرائز ہے
الیکشن تو بہت چھوٹا سا مسلہ ہے