Faith & Evolution- At loggerheads or not?

A.jokhio

Minister (2k+ posts)
Faith is religion
Evolution is science
They are not the same
Divine Creation of universe and its knowledge and law (deen or religion) is utmost superlative technology...science is the exploration/understanding of its methodology and principals. these are interlinked...science will end when reach to the clue, it wont and cant go beyond the stated laws and their depictions...no matter what.
Faith is the undoubted reliance on inner given intelligence of human beyond doubt on the capability of Creator/master of this technology....
 

arifkarim

Minister (2k+ posts)
Divine Creation of universe and its knowledge and law (deen or religion) is utmost superlative technology...science is the exploration/understanding of its methodology and principals. these are interlinked...science will end when reach to the clue, it wont and cant go beyond the stated laws and their depictions...no matter what.
Faith is the undoubted reliance on inner given intelligence of human beyond doubt on the capability of Creator/master of this technology....
No they are not the same. Religion is based on literature sent by God. Science is based on litterature written by scientists. They are not the same
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Faith is the undoubted reliance on inner given intelligence of human beyond doubt on the capability of Creator/master of this technology....

Faith just means believing without any proof or evidence.

People use it reach opposite and ridiculous conclusions like flat earth society, Hinduism, Christianity, paganism. They are all true in a world where believing something based on faith was a reliable method to reach the truth.
 

Wake up Pak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Faith is not necessarily believing in religion although the majority relate it to the religion.
I can have faith in someone, ideology or a system, etc., etc.
 

A.jokhio

Minister (2k+ posts)
Yes, I corrected it.
Nope..it was not correction..it was frustration...Faith on any thing (whether religious or not) is the utter convention of inner self towards any thing/idea/target...even the denial of religion/God...atheism is faith... right or wrong its their convention..
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Nope..it was not correction..it was frustration...Faith on any thing (whether religious or not) is the utter convention of inner self towards any thing/idea/target...even the denial of religion/God...atheism is faith... right or wrong its their convention..

Atheism is not the denial of God, it’s the refusal to believe in God without evidence.

So it’s the opposite of faith.

Believing something without evidence is faith.

Refusing to believe something without evidence is the opposite of faith.

Faith is just a term we use to justify believing in something which cannot be justified by available evidence. There is nothing glorifying about it and it’s not a reliable method to reach the truth.

The scientific method is not perfect but it’s the best method we have of reaching the truth. We have used it to build medicine, technology and put man on the moon.
 

A.jokhio

Minister (2k+ posts)
Atheism is not the denial of God, it’s the refusal to believe in God without evidence.

So it’s the opposite of faith.

Believing something without evidence is faith.

Refusing to believe something without evidence is the opposite of faith.

Faith is just a term we use to justify believing in something which cannot be justified by available evidence. There is nothing glorifying about it and it’s not a reliable method to reach the truth.

The scientific method is not perfect but it’s the best method we have of reaching the truth. We have used it to build medicine, technology and put man on the moon.
so they believe in evidence??
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
so they believe in evidence??

They only believe things when there is sufficient evidence to suggest those things are true.

This is common sense, I cant understand why this is always so difficult for you to understand... If someone comes to you and says he will double all your money if you give it to him, would you give him money just on faith or will you ask him for proof or evidence? Its common sense but religion makes people lose their common sense.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Faith & Evolution- At loggerheads or not?

Why this question at the first place? But before an attempt is made to answer this, first some............

https://1onlyway.wordpress.com/faith-evolution-at-loggerheads-or-not/

Dear theway sb, islam is a way of life from God for mankind to live by properly in this world. It is not a religion ie a set of dogmatic system of beliefs and ritualistic practices. Remember, you cannot live your life in this world merely on basis of baseless dogmas and useless ritualistic practices. For living in this world properly people need a way of life which deals with life and living or livelihood or sustenance or subsistence or provisions. Not only that but also it has to be about a constitution for organising or structuring a human society properly as well as it has to be about laws which could help regulate this properly organised society properly.

People are born rational ie scientists and philosophers so deen of islam cannot be anything other than scientific and rational. To give false explanations about deen of islam or to interpret the quran irrationally is nothing less than foolishness and stupidity. This is why we should avoid doing such things or supporting such things. For better understanding of deen of islam from the quran see HERE, HERE, HERE and HERE.

regards and all the best.
 
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arifkarim

Minister (2k+ posts)
azeezam arifkarim sb, islam is a way of life from God for mankind to live by properly in this world. It is not a religion ie a set of dogmatic system of beliefs and ritualistic practices. Remember, you cannot live your life in this world merely on basis of baseless dogmas and useless ritualistic practices. For living in this world properly people need a way of life which deals with life and living or livelihood or sustenance or subsistence or provisions. Not only that but also it has to be about a constitution for organising or structuring a human society properly as well as it has to be about laws which could help regulate this properly organised society properly.

People are born rational ie scientists and philosophers so deen of islam cannot be anything other than scientific and rational. To give false explanations about deen of islam or to interpret the quran irrationally is nothing less than foolishness and stupidity. This is why we should avoid doing such things or supporting such things. For better understanding of deen of islam from the quran see HERE, HERE, HERE and HERE.

regards and all the best.
Islam is a way of life. Science is not way of life. Hence they are not the same
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Islam is a way of life. Science is not way of life. Hence they are not the same

dear arifkarim sb, first of all, sorry for the mix up. I was actually responding to theway and not you but by mistake quoted you as well.

I have corrected my response. But here I will also respond to you as well since you have responded.

In my view a proper way of life cannot be but scientific otherwise we will not be here and we could not be here.

All real world realities are real so science applies to all things real. People and things are all real so they are science related.

regards and all the best.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Divine Creation of universe and its knowledge and law (deen or religion) is utmost superlative technology...science is the exploration/understanding of its methodology and principals. these are interlinked...science will end when reach to the clue, it wont and cant go beyond the stated laws and their depictions...no matter what.
Faith is the undoubted reliance on inner given intelligence of human beyond doubt on the capability of Creator/master of this technology....

Dear a.jokhio sb, we humans are rational and scientific creatures so we start with science and end with science. This is why the quran we are given by God is scientific 100% because God too is a rational being. This is why in his explanations in the quran he uses rationality. It is stupidity of some human beings that they have misinterpreted the quran by making it seem an irrational book.

regards and all the best.
 
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