FATF grey-listing caused ‘$38b losses (Pk went grey list in 2008 Ppp & Pmln

[Vitamin_C]

Although I believe even one is too many, did you bother to nudge the proverbial ‘liberal’ Sindh govt on this matter

Yes I absolutely forgot Sindh is not a part of Pakistan so certainly not under the jurisdiction of Federal Government meanwhile Paris is under jurisdiction of our dreadful human rights minister.

 

[Vitamin_C]

Your negative propaganda wont work indian patwari

Yes Ofcourse there is nothing negative about Pakistan and if anyone says so then its just propoganda.

 

[Vitamin_C]

On the flip side, you seem to go in a slumber when members on this forum such as Dr. Adam are verbally abused for being a qadiani

I don't think anyone on this forum condemns hypocricy of Pakistanis when it comes to Ahmedis than I do. I dont sit here 24 hours to look at every single thread in comment but when I see it I condemn it.

 

[The Sane]

Yes I absolutely forgot Sindh is not a part of Pakistan so certainly not under the jurisdiction of Federal Government meanwhile Paris is under jurisdiction of our dreadful human rights minister.

Vitamin bigot, For a change focus on fixing human rights in your decimated slum called India. You will be surprisingly overwhelmed.
As for Sindh, they haste 18th amendment.

Still no news on your hue and cry about religious discrimination on this forum, vitamin bigot!

 

[The Sane]

I don't think anyone on this forum condemns hypocricy of Pakistanis when it comes to Ahmedis than I do. I dont sit here 24 hours to look at every single thread in comment but when I see it I condemn it.

No you do not! That’s not quite in vogue with you.

 

[Vitamin_C]

fixing human rights in your decimated slum called India.

Why India? I should be concerned about my own country first before going to France or India.

 

[The Sane]

Why India? I should be concerned about my own country first before going to France or India.

But you aren’t!

 

[Vitamin_C]

No you do not! That’s not quite in vogue with you.

I had picture of an Ahmedi man as my display picture on this forum for over a year in solidarity with discrimination against Ahmedis in Pakistan. I think you are a foolish person and there is no point in arguing with you.

 

[The Sane]

I had picture of an Ahmedi man as my display picture on this forum for over a year in solidarity with discrimination against Ahmedis in Pakistan. I think you are a foolish person and there is no point in arguing with you.

Well, that’s precisely how one defines a bigot.

 

[Vitamin_C]

Well, that’s precisely how one defines a bigot.

I already said you have a right to your belief and your opinion. Every single comment you made was to try to take that freedom away from me by accusing me of not defending Ahmedis and calling me an Indian. You are the real bigot.

 

[AddictedToChaos]

I dont think Pakistan will be removed from Grey List until Imran Khan is in power because he is afraid to do anything that will anger right wing and terrorist organizations in Pakistan. He has been the biggest defender of violent and radical Islam during the French terrorist attacks last year.

Not sure what you smokin dude, but I've never seen a statement from IK to support violent Islam... Infact he has condemned radicals many a times

 

[Vitamin_C]

Not sure what you smokin dude, but I've never seen a statement from IK to support violent Islam... Infact he has condemned radicals many a times

Really? Then why is he negotiating with extremist groups like TLP?

Few months ago a Pakistani man was caught after stabbing multiple innocent bystanders in Paris. Show me any statement of Imran Khan condemning that Pakistani man?

 

[The Sane]

I already said you have a right to your belief and your opinion. Every single comment you made was to try to take that freedom away from me by accusing me of not defending Ahmedis and calling me an Indian. You are the real bigot.

A bigot shouldn’t complain about being called a bigot. That makes one a bigger bigot.
As for being called an Indian, if nothing good ever comes out of a mouth for Pakistan, that mouth belongs to an Indian.

 

[blalbutt]

Freedom of religion and freedom of concious is also part of freedom of speech French constitution. You are free to practise your religion as long as you are not causing physical harm to other people.

When French raided terrorist hideouts instead of finding copies of Qurans they find copies of pornography. Terrorism is not just caused by specific religion but illiteracy, lack of employment opportunities which plague immigrants which cannot adopt the life in Europe specially poor immigrants from Muslim countries.

This is why French made the law to make sure all Muslim French Children get same standard of education as local children and are not recieving substandard education like in madrassahs or home schooling. You need to have the ability to look at things that are beyond your own nose to understand them.

Sorry not writing this in a demeaning way but your reply sounds gibberish to me and I'll explain why: There is no such things as Freedom of Speech and there are always some limitations e.g. Canada, US, Europe basically they make it sound like the way they want and say this is ultimate whereas its not really true.

You are cherry picking here, I can also say France and other such liberal society where there is no objective morality incestual relationship are common hence higher rape cases, broken families etc etc. i think they need to fix their education standard for everyone not just Muslims. There system is very institutionalized whereas Islamic countries rely on grass root level which is much sustainable and keeps checks and balances. If you dont get it let me know i can get further into it. I am not saying Pakistan is ultimate but the way you're painting is not quite right. Madarrasahs have their problems but highlighted in a constructive way is the correct path forward if you truly feel for Pakistan's welfare.

 

[blalbutt]

If your interest is not with Western world then why are you begging them to remove you from FATF. Just forget about them, khula khao nanga nahao. Enjoy your poverty if you dont care about West LOL.

Why would your interests be with western world? There is no such thing as a permanent friend or interest when we talk about foreign policy. Pakistan is an ISLAMIC country and we should act like one. China doesn't have same interests as Western world so does that mean they beg for things? We can setup our rules in our country without disrespecting anyone. And no one is begging to anyone, there is a world order and unfortunately we dont have upper hand (currently) so we just play the game

 

[blalbutt]

Yes Ofcourse there is nothing negative about Pakistan and if anyone says so then its just propoganda.

Every country has their own issues and problems but again it should be contructive rather than relaying something in a condescending way which shows arrogance and mentality.

 

[blalbutt]

Really? Then why is he negotiating with extremist groups like TLP?

Few months ago a Pakistani man was caught after stabbing multiple innocent bystanders in Paris. Show me any statement of Imran Khan condemning that Pakistani man?

Perfect example of cherry picking: TLP is not a religious group but a political one who is looking for more power and creating distability with the help of our neighbours who feel greatly for Pakistan.

One question: why is US negotiating with Aghan taliban? What happened with ISIS and how it was created in the beginning? Look at history and you will find numerous examples of your real heroes negotiating with all sorts of folks.

Show me a statement of French president when he condemned Indian atrocities on unarmed Kashmiris? Just because they have same interests?

 

[The Sane]

Sorry not writing this in a demeaning way but your reply sounds gibberish to me and I'll explain why: There is no such things as Freedom of Speech and there are always some limitations e.g. Canada, US, Europe basically they make it sound like the way they want and say this is ultimate whereas its not really true.

You are cherry picking here, I can also say France and other such liberal society where there is no objective morality incestual relationship are common hence higher rape cases, broken families etc etc. i think they need to fix their education standard for everyone not just Muslims. There system is very institutionalized whereas Islamic countries rely on grass root level which is much sustainable and keeps checks and balances. If you dont get it let me know i can get further into it. I am not saying Pakistan is ultimate but the way you're painting is not quite right. Madarrasahs have their problems but highlighted in a constructive way is the correct path forward if you truly feel for Pakistan's welfare.

These bigots, or for lack of better words “Indians in the garb of Pakistanis”, go around propagating this fallacy that it’s free dinner in the West. Try crossing lines there like they do here on this forum and no one would know they existed.

 

[MainBaghiHon]

Really? Then why is he negotiating with extremist groups like TLP?

Few months ago a Pakistani man was caught after stabbing multiple innocent bystanders in Paris. Show me any statement of Imran Khan condemning that Pakistani man?

After reading your every post in the thread its look like someone driving Zig Zag on the the straight road.

 

[Vitamin_C]

There is no such things as Freedom of Speech and there are always some limitations e.g. Canada, US, Europe basically they make it sound like the way they want and say this is ultimate whereas its not really true.

Freedom of speech is not what you think it is. When you hear the word freedom of speech I bet you automatically think they mean absolute freedom to speak what you want to speak, but thats the wrong definition of this expression.

Freedom of speech is a specific right for a specific group of people. The weakest people in any society who do not have the power to do, should have the right to speak against those who have the power to do.

So freedom of speech means even the lowest person in society can bad mouth, abuse, insult, condemn, criticize even the most powerful person in the society, like king, prime minister, president, jesus christ or god himself, that poor person's life and his belongings will be protected by this law. That is meaning of freedom of speech and its purpose is to protect the weakest members of society who do not have the power to do, they should atleast have the right to free speech.

Now if you are calling out people to lynch someone, that does not come under freedom of speech because it doesnt serve the purpose of protecting the weakest members in your society against the strong ones who have the power to do, ie behead him or burn down his house etc etc.

Hope that helps.