FRANCE IS IN TROUBLE

Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Muslim players in the French Football team should announce their immediate retirement which will not be against any law at all. Moreover, Muslim's should start using the French flag as toilet tissue to express their freedom of expresssion.
 

Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Muslim players in the French Football team should announce their immediate retirement which will not be against any law at all. Moreover, Muslim's should start using the French flag as toilet tissue to express their freedom of expresssion.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Yeah I don't understand why these people even go to France when they know what the culture and values of France are. Why not go seek asylum in a Muslim country where you are not allowed to criticize Islam or show cartoons. Leave the French alone.

They are going to France and then complaining about cartoons. Its like an Indian going to Pakistan and complaining about beef being served in restaurant. Its a part of French identity, they want freedom of expression and the right to criticize religion in their country. If Muslims want to live there, they have to follow that country instead of bringing Islamic rules and values into France, if they don't like it they can go live in another country.


Best to leave France and go to your mother land and help your country
 
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Jack Squire

MPA (400+ posts)
they want freedom of expression and the right to criticize religion in their country...
In any human society one has to be sensitive to what causes pain to another. In the words of Imran Khan
"“In human communities we have to be sensitive towards what causes pain to other human beings.
In the Western society, and quite rightly, the Holocaust is treated with sensitivity, because it gives the Jewish community pain.
That’s all we ask: Do not use freedom of speech to cause us pain by insulting our holy prophet. That’s all we want.”

This cartoon contest is akin to Muslims organizing a contest of throwing cow meat on a Ram Statue, Or who can slaughter the most pigs in a synagogue or who can spit on a cross with the most accuracy -- how extremely evil/vile would that be -- and no even if the believers of the aforementioned faiths say go ahead, we don't care -- it still does not make it right, period! And the irony is not lost on those who truly understand/practice islam (and there be only a handful that do even if I say so myself )...

"And do not insult what they invoke beside Allah, as it will make them utter insults to Allah in enmity and ignorance." Quran 6:108

"And the devotees of the Most Merciful are the ones who walk upon the earth humbly and gently and when the ignorant address them to provoke them, they respond with grace and words of peace," Quran 25:63
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
That's what you believe in.

They believe that criticizing religion is important part of their society, if you do not criticize then you do not know if you are right or wrong.

Why do you think your beliefs are more important than theirs?

This is not how it works, you cannot get immunity from being criticized just because it hurts your feelings. People talk shit about Trump all the time, should that also be banned because they are hurting his feelings? This way you cannot criticize anything or anyone because it hurts their feelings.

Also, the reason why holocaust denialism is illegal is not because it hurts feelings of Jews, its because its illegal to question the existence of crimes that fall under category of crimes against humanity. If there was genocide against Muslims then it would also be illegal to deny that, especially if that could give rise to Islamophobia or Anti-Semitism.

Keep in mind that criticizing religion and political ideologies is one of the most essential values of the French Republic, they were one of the first countries to remove the influence of Catholic Church in Europe so they are not going to back down on this issue.


In any human society one has to be sensitive to what causes pain to another. In the words of Imran Khan
"“In human communities we have to be sensitive towards what causes pain to other human beings.
In the Western society, and quite rightly, the Holocaust is treated with sensitivity, because it gives the Jewish community pain.
That’s all we ask: Do not use freedom of speech to cause us pain by insulting our holy prophet. That’s all we want.”
 

vicahmed99

Minister (2k+ posts)
I think people should hold a competition how to make worst pictures of france leaders or their forefathers like on dogs and pigs and display them all over
Hit them where they hurt the most
 

Jack Squire

MPA (400+ posts)
That's what you believe in.
Any decent human being believes in that, just like any decent human being believes in not raping their 10 month old baby (which sadly took place in the US only a week ago). With your logic this barbaric act is justified since the dad believed it was his kid to do with as he wills..

Also, the reason why holocaust denialism is illegal is not because it hurts feelings of Jews, its because its illegal to question the existence of crimes that fall under category of crimes against humanity.
Incorrect -- heres some actual facts -- ".... Such proposed laws [against holocaust denial] have been criticised and faced opposition, most significantly from civil rights and human rights advocates who contend that the such laws would violate people's established rights of freedom of speech and freedom of expression. "
So by your logic, since freedom of expression is the core of French values, thus they should be allowed to deny the holocaust if they so choose to do
 

Jack Squire

MPA (400+ posts)
I think people should hold a competition how to make worst pictures of france leaders or their forefathers like on dogs and pigs and display them all over
Hit them where they hurt the most
Kill (not literally ofcourse lolz) them with kindness as is the theme of Islam and Sunnah...

"And do not insult what they invoke beside Allah, as it will make them utter insults to Allah in enmity and ignorance." Quran 6:108

"And the devotees of the Most Merciful are the ones who walk upon the earth humbly and gently and when the ignorant address them to provoke them, they respond with grace and words of peace," Quran 25:63
 

vicahmed99

Minister (2k+ posts)
Muslims have been already kind to them but they keep taking advantage of muslims kindness
moreover muslims have never hurt their religious feelings or emotions so its best to hurt their icon so they will feel the pain


Kill (not literally ofcourse lolz) them with kindness as is the theme of Islam and Sunnah...

"And do not insult what they invoke beside Allah, as it will make them utter insults to Allah in enmity and ignorance." Quran 6:108

"And the devotees of the Most Merciful are the ones who walk upon the earth humbly and gently and when the ignorant address them to provoke them, they respond with grace and words of peace," Quran 25:63
 

bl0u81

MPA (400+ posts)
Yeah I don't understand why these people even go to France when they know what the culture and values of France are. Why not go seek asylum in a Muslim country where you are not allowed to criticize Islam or show cartoons. Leave the French alone.
"I don't understand why these people even go to France when they know what the culture and values of France are. Why not go seek asylum in a Muslim country where you are not allowed to criticize Islam or show cartoons".
Answer is in history and French foreign policies. Historically they had invaded and occupied and looted wealth of many African and Asian countries. Today's generation is suffering from that loss of wealth and has a rightful claim to enjoy French State Benefits.
Secondly, French foreign policy is build on mantra of making world secure and eradicating terrorism and imposing sanctions on individual countries that they hate. They also contribute world powers in their invasion and carry out their narrative. Its a common person who actually suffers from all of this. Look ar Mali as a recent example. French State's Foreign policy appears to be doing in an effort to make that individuals life better. That indiviual from a sanctioned imposed country says I want to live in France instead as they show sympathy to me. However, actual reason is still to loot and grab resources of other countries and unfortunately victims and common people from war torn and sactioned hit countries have realised it. This is the problem.
 

Hate_Nooras

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Yeah I don't understand why these people even go to France when they know what the culture and values of France are. Why not go seek asylum in a Muslim country where you are not allowed to criticize Islam or show cartoons. Leave the French alone.

They are going to France and then complaining about cartoons. Its like an Indian going to Pakistan and complaining about beef being served in restaurant. Its a part of French identity, they want freedom of expression and the right to criticize religion in their country. If Muslims want to live there, they have to follow that country instead of bringing Islamic rules and values into France, if they don't like it they can go live in another country.
Maybe you need to read up a little before posting crap. Firstly, its the Fr that went to the Arabs and colonised them, then they needed labour. And Freedom of speech is not absolute, you have libel and slander laws, so your fucking logic is bollocks. And if you want try your luck,try denying the holocaust. So fuck off you prick.
 

kayawish

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Yeah I don't understand why these people even go to France when they know what the culture and values of France are. Why not go seek asylum in a Muslim country where you are not allowed to criticize Islam or show cartoons. Leave the French alone.

They are going to France and then complaining about cartoons. Its like an Indian going to Pakistan and complaining about beef being served in restaurant. Its a part of French identity, they want freedom of expression and the right to criticize religion in their country. If Muslims want to live there, they have to follow that country instead of bringing Islamic rules and values into France, if they don't like it they can go live in another country.
yea , then when they dont make cartoons of ISSA A.S , Mussa A.S and Ibrahim A.S then i will also say freedom of speech but they will never make fun of jesus , moses OR ibraham because they also beleive in them ... they just want to tease Muslims by insulting our Prophet PBUH.
 

باس از باس

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)

جناب زیادہ پڑھے لکھے اور زیادہ عقلمند حضرات !۔

ان لوگوں کی فریڈم آف سپیچ موسی عليه السلام اور عیسی علیه السلام پہ کیوں نہی ہوتی۔۔۔؟؟؟ اور تو اور ہندو مذہب پہ فریڈم آف سپیچ اور ان کے دیوتاؤں پہ بھی نہی ۔۔۔ کیوں۔۔۔؟؟؟

فریڈم آف سپیچ اسلام اور ہمارے نبی صلي الله عليه و سلم پہ ہی کیوں۔۔۔؟؟؟

بنیادی طور پہ یہ فریڈم آف سپیچ نہی اسلام سے نفرت اور بغض ہے ، عیسائیت کو دوسرے مذاہب سے خطرہ نہی اس لئیے ان کے لئیے فریڈم آف سپیچ بھی نہی


باقی اس بات پہ کوئی دو رائے نہی کہ مغربی ممالک نے بہت ترقی کی ہے، محنت کی ہے اور دنیا میں اسلامی ممالک سے مضبوط اور اونچا مقام ہے، ہم نے نا تو تعلیم پہ توجہ دی اور نا ہی اخلاقیات پہ۔۔۔ وہ اقوام بہت سے معاملات میں اسلامی دنیا سے کہیں بہتر ہیں، ہمارے سارے اسلامی ممالک میں جتنی بھی یونیورسٹیاں ہیں ان سے زیادہ شاید ایک یورپی ملک میں مل جائیں اور ہماری یونیورسٹیوں کا معیار کیا ہے یہ آپ اور میں سب جانتے ہیں۔۔۔ ہم لوگ تو بہتر تعلیم کے لئیے بھی کافروں کے محتاج ہیں۔۔۔

باقی۔۔۔

تقدیر کے قاضی کا یہ فتوی ہے ازل سے
ہے جرمِ ضعیفی کی سزا مرگِ مفاجات
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Yeah I don't understand why these people even go to France when they know what the culture and values of France are. Why not go seek asylum in a Muslim country where you are not allowed to criticize Islam or show cartoons. Leave the French alone.

They are going to France and then complaining about cartoons. Its like an Indian going to Pakistan and complaining about beef being served in restaurant. Its a part of French identity, they want freedom of expression and the right to criticize religion in their country. If Muslims want to live there, they have to follow that country instead of bringing Islamic rules and values into France, if they don't like it they can go live in another country.

azeezam vitamin c sb, kia aap bataa sakte hen france waale aakhir france laaye kahaan se hen? aap aur aap jaise deegar log khawah un ka naam kuchh bhi ho jahaan per khade hen wahaan uljhan hi uljhan hai. aap badi yani mukkamal tasveer ko dekh hi nahin paa rahe. aap ki yahee haalat rahe gi jab tak aap common standard ki zaroorat ka ehsaas khud main peda nahin karen ge.

regards and all the best.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
That's what you believe in.

They believe that criticizing religion is important part of their society, if you do not criticize then you do not know if you are right or wrong.

Why do you think your beliefs are more important than theirs?

This is not how it works, you cannot get immunity from being criticized just because it hurts your feelings. People talk shit about Trump all the time, should that also be banned because they are hurting his feelings? This way you cannot criticize anything or anyone because it hurts their feelings.

Also, the reason why holocaust denialism is illegal is not because it hurts feelings of Jews, its because its illegal to question the existence of crimes that fall under category of crimes against humanity. If there was genocide against Muslims then it would also be illegal to deny that, especially if that could give rise to Islamophobia or Anti-Semitism.

Keep in mind that criticizing religion and political ideologies is one of the most essential values of the French Republic, they were one of the first countries to remove the influence of Catholic Church in Europe so they are not going to back down on this issue.

azeezam vitamin c sb, aap ki ye post bhi waisi hi hai jaisi ooper waali. agar her kisi ko apni marzi karni hai to jis ka jo dil chahe kare chahe woh kisi ko achha lage ya bura. kisi ko cartoon banaana achha laga aur kisi ko kisi ki gardan kaatna. aap ko aur mujhe apni apni jaga pareshaani hai logoon ke aise kaamun per magar ham kia ker sakte hen baghair kisi common standard ko maane ya manwaaye?

regards and all the best.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I don't think a harmless activity such as drawing a cartoon is comparable to chop someone's head off. It is disturbing that you even make such a comparison.

Laws should be made on reason, not on emotions and religions.


azeezam vitamin c sb, aap ki ye post bhi waisi hi hai jaisi ooper waali. agar her kisi ko apni marzi karni hai to jis ka jo dil chahe kare chahe woh kisi ko achha lage ya bura. kisi ko cartoon banaana achha laga aur kisi ko kisi ki gardan kaatna. aap ko aur mujhe apni apni jaga pareshaani hai logoon ke aise kaamun per magar ham kia ker sakte hen baghair kisi common standard ko maane ya manwaaye?

regards and all the best.
 
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