Israel doing whatever they want inside Iran from 1000 miles away

MS pakistani

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
What this has to do with trade?
Iran has been harbouring Indian terrorists & used its country as a launching pad for terrorism against Pakistan.
Iran doesn’t have the same kind of brotherhood mentality as us.
They only think & operate on sectarian grounds & always side with our enemies.
that is itself a false propaganda in pakistan. iran never has on state level done any support for sectarian violence in our country although some incidents happened on both sides of borders, and do you know who supports Jundullah in iran. see the both sides of picture. our side is also involved in major incidents in there side of border. there is less than 8% sunni in iran and there never has been any sectarian violence of targeted genocide there, if your claim of sectarianism is true you can show some proof that there has been incidents just like it usually happens in our country against every other sect. neither our state nor their state in directly involved but some non state actors are involved from both sides. so do not blame only the other sides. one thing is true that our soil is the most effected by our internal sectarianism by jahil mullahs and jahil zakirs fatwas. sunnis and shias both should follow real ulmas who supports mutual brotherhood and respect.
 

Modest

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
that is itself a false propaganda in pakistan. iran never has on state level done any support for sectarian violence in our country although some incidents happened on both sides of borders, and do you know who supports Jundullah in iran. see the both sides of picture. our side is also involved in major incidents in there side of border. there is less than 8% sunni in iran and there never has been any sectarian violence of targeted genocide there, if your claim of sectarianism is true you can show some proof that there has been incidents just like it usually happens in our country against every other sect. neither our state nor their state in directly involved but some non state actors are involved from both sides. so do not blame only the other sides. one thing is true that our soil is the most effected by our internal sectarianism by jahil mullahs and jahil zakirs fatwas. sunnis and shias both should follow real ulmas who supports mutual brotherhood and respect.
Kalbhushan Yadev was operating from Iran. Do you think he was conducting his terrorist activities without Iranian knowing it?
Uzair Baloch has confessed to spying for Iran & passing on military intel to Iran.
Ahmadi Nijad recently spewed venom against Pakistan on Indian TV. Few days ago, Iran blamed Pakistan for involvement in Panjshir operation.
In the past, Iran has been sponsoring secterian terrorism in Pakistan & some of its mullahs have publicly claimed that they have Secterian assets In Pakistan.
 

MS pakistani

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Kalbhushan Yadev was operating from Iran. Do you think he was conducting his terrorist activities without Iranian knowing it?
Uzair Baloch has confessed to spying for Iran & passing on military intel to Iran.
Ahmadi Nijad recently spewed venom against Pakistan on Indian TV. Few days ago, Iran blamed Pakistan for involvement in Panjshir operation.
In the past, Iran has been sponsoring secterian terrorism in Pakistan & some of its mullahs have publicly claimed that they have Secterian assets In Pakistan.
as for as kulbushan and uzair is concerned, anything can be confessed under police investigation. Ahmedi nijad is now against the system in iran and he was banned from having public office due to his activities so he can blame anything. they said they think foreign hands are involved in panjshir did they say pakistan, although our activities and support for afghan taliban at every level (from PM to agencies) make it obvious that we are supporting them more than even afghan public. why we need to interfere them, why we need an extreme mullahs rule in afghan, then why not our state invite TTP to rule our country as TTP is no different from afghan taliban. our land is the most fertile land for sectarianism and we do not need to blame others. why iran has to ben blamed when we have countless jahil mullah bandits who issues fatwas of killing all other sects who do not follow their school of thoughts. your last line just makes some sense that some jahill mullahs maybe involved in secterian but more jahil mullahs from our side is involved in making and harboring Jundullah and many other terrorist organizations in there soil.
 

MS pakistani

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Kalbhushan Yadev was operating from Iran. Do you think he was conducting his terrorist activities without Iranian knowing it?
Uzair Baloch has confessed to spying for Iran & passing on military intel to Iran.
Ahmadi Nijad recently spewed venom against Pakistan on Indian TV. Few days ago, Iran blamed Pakistan for involvement in Panjshir operation.
In the past, Iran has been sponsoring secterian terrorism in Pakistan & some of its mullahs have publicly claimed that they have Secterian assets In Pakistan.
do you believe whatever nawaz sharif blames about our arny or ISI involvement in other countries, do you believe on altaf, so the same applies to ahmedi nejad. he has been working against the system since a year or more. so anything he says can not be trusted.
 

Modest

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
No do you believe whatever nawaz sharif blames abn out our arny or ISI involvement in other countries, do you believe on altaf, so the same applies to ahmedi nejad. he has been working against the system since a year or more. so anything he says can not be trusted.
They are all enemies of Pakistan. It’s not only Ahmadi Nijad, Iranian mullah regime has been working against Pakistan for decades.
 

Modest

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
as for as kulbushan and uzair is concerned, anything can be confessed under police investigation. Ahmedi nijad is now against the system in iran and he was banned from having public office due to his activities so he can blame anything. they said they think foreign hands are involved in panjshir did they say pakistan, although our activities and support for afghan taliban at every level (from PM to agencies) make it obvious that we are supporting them more than even afghan public. why we need to interfere them, why we need an extreme mullahs rule in afghan, then why not our state invite TTP to rule our country as TTP is no different from afghan taliban. our land is the most fertile land for sectarianism and we do not need to blame others. why iran has to ben blamed when we have countless jahil mullah bandits who issues fatwas of killing all other sects who do not follow their school of thoughts. your last line just makes some sense that some jahill mullahs maybe involved in secterian but more jahil mullahs from our side is involved in making and harboring Jundullah and many other terrorist organizations in there soil.
So you don’t believe our security agencies who caught Kulbhushan & he confessed to his terrorist activities & his operations from Iran. Why you care about Iran so much? Is it due to secterian loyalty or something else?
 

MS pakistani

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
So you don’t believe our security agencies who caught Kulbhushan & he confessed to his terrorist activities & his operations from Iran. Why you care about Iran so much? Is it due to secterian loyalty or something else?
we do not need any foreign agents when we have jahil mullahs who are factories of issuing fatwas against every other sect. what we really need is follow real alims who supports for unity of muslims and there are such alims in every sect. I do not care specifically about iran, what i care is we need to stop blaming every other countries for our failure. we need to clean our own filth from jahil mullahs and zakirs. why our country is most indulged in sectarian violence. why any other muslim country people are not fighting among sects. it means the issue is internal not external.
 

Despacito

Voter (50+ posts)
hat is very good. All Shia states should try for revolution of the system of imamat and all sunni states should try for revolution of the system of khilafat. and the system of real imamat or real khilafat

First of all Khilafat not a must at all, it was just the system back then in that time, 2nd Iran wants to bring it immat ( another concept that is foreign to Islam ) to the entire world by hook or by crook.
real khilafat is not as bad as the media and the jahil mullahs has shown us.

Well till now only examples of such has been extremists like ISIS and Taliban, a normal muslims is not interested in any of this.

"our Allah is same, last messenger, the holy Quran, Qibla, number of prayers, Zakat, Roza, Haj, Idea of jehad, are all same."

And thats where you are wrong. All of these are very different in Shia-ism. On the face of it they say its the same, but if you read their books and what is discussed in private gatherings endorsed by their highest ayatullahs all of these are totally different and cannot in anyway be described as minor differences.

I would have to say you need to do further research on this, because there was a time I was as naive minded as you are now in this regard.


that is very good. All Shia states should try for revolution of the system of imamat and all sunni states should try for revolution of the system of khilafat. and the system of real imamat or real khilafat is not as bad as the media and the jahil mullahs has shown us. neither imamat doesn't means to convert anyone to shia islam nor khilafat means to force anyone to change anyone's belief. we muslims all fight like mad animals and believe each others enemies and support either democracy or badshahat (neither of them are islamic) and even mullahs think politics has nothing to do with islam. but actually our holy prophet himself was a great politician and a statesmen. so why we fight in sects, our Allah is same, last messenger, the holy Quran, Qibla, number of prayers, Zakat, Roza, Haj, Idea of jehad, are all same. just there is difference regarding khilafat and immamat. based on this minor difference you are saying that even siding with israel or shetan against iran is ok? that does not show that your research is in the right direction. you are either knowingly or unknowingly making the zionists happy as they want us to be devided and they rule.
 

Despacito

Voter (50+ posts)
that is itself a false propaganda in pakistan. iran never has on state level done any support for sectarian violence in our country although some incidents happened on both sides of borders, and do you know who supports Jundullah in iran. see the both sides of picture. our side is also involved in major incidents in there side of border. there is less than 8% sunni in iran and there never has been any sectarian violence of targeted genocide there, if your claim of sectarianism is true you can show some proof that there has been incidents just like it usually happens in our country against every other sect. neither our state nor their state in directly involved but some non state actors are involved from both sides. so do not blame only the other sides. one thing is true that our soil is the most effected by our internal sectarianism by jahil mullahs and jahil zakirs fatwas. sunnis and shias both should follow real ulmas who supports mutual brotherhood and respect.
iran never has on state level done any support for sectarian violence in our country

Again you are wrong. Almost all sectarian violence in Pakistan has either beem Iran or Saudi sponsored.

8% sunni in iran and there never has been any sectarian violence of targeted genocide there

Guess what, wrong again. Sunnis have been targeted for extermination, most sunni scholars have either been forcefully converted or killed. I have sunni Irani friends so I know first hand what life as a sunni in shia Iran is like.

Just as an appetizer

 

Haha

Minister (2k+ posts)
سب سے پہلے پاکستان
ہمیں صرف پاکستانی بن کر سوچنا ہے
ایرانی کتے سابق صدر نے جس طرح پاکستان کی خلاف بھونکا اور انڈیا کو اپنی ماں کا خصم بنایا تو لعنت ہے ایسے ا سلامی برادر ہڈ پر یہ لعنتی انڈیا کے اتحادی ہیں اور انڈیا اسرائیل کا
ان کا سابق صدر پاکستان پر بھونکتا ہے اور انڈین
narrative
پر انڈیا کے ساتھ ہے تو پھر وڑ گیا ایسا اسلامی برادر ملک
ہمارے لئے سب سے پہلے پاکستا٘ن اور پاکستان پر بھونکنے والے اور انڈیا کی فیور کرنے والے کتے نامنظور
 

MS pakistani

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
You need to wake up from this delusion. Its national interests first before anything.
well i do not agree with your opinion and your do not need to agree with me. can you recommend me any of those shia authentic books which you have read and you found them not similar to other muslims. i am not saying that everything is exactly same but these differences are from the time of early islam when the holy prophet was passed away. there were two groups, one believed that the successor should be Ali, another group believed it should be abu bakr. that is the main difference which will continue till the end. other differences regarding hadis books and fiqh not any issue to fight with each other. and if we are standing with israel and jews against any of the opposite muslim sect, it shows we are very wrong. siding with israel is just like siding with shetan and you know what will be the result of siding with shetan. and if we want to find points to fight then both shia and sunni ahadis books does have hundreds of weeks ahadis which are enough to creat issues. we need to be united on 90 % common points (or let say 70% for your satisfiction) and do not fight on the remaining 10 to 30 % minor differences. what you have common with jews that you want to side with israel against a muslim country be it iran, turky, KSA, Egypt or XZY. I hope you will think on it and try to have soft corner for all muslims
 

MS pakistani

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
iran never has on state level done any support for sectarian violence in our country

Again you are wrong. Almost all sectarian violence in Pakistan has either beem Iran or Saudi sponsored.

8% sunni in iran and there never has been any sectarian violence of targeted genocide there

Guess what, wrong again. Sunnis have been targeted for extermination, most sunni scholars have either been forcefully converted or killed. I have sunni Irani friends so I know first hand what life as a sunni in shia Iran is like.

Just as an appetizer

then why we never see any blasts on sunni or non shia mosques and gatherings just like we see in our land. we got all this filth after the time of general zia and post talibinazation against the soviets. after they fought soviets' those armed bandits started to act against all those who do not follow there ideas.
 

Despacito

Voter (50+ posts)
well i do not agree with your opinion and your do not need to agree with me. can you recommend me any of those shia authentic books which you have read and you found them not similar to other muslims. i am not saying that everything is exactly same but these differences are from the time of early islam when the holy prophet was passed away. there were two groups, one believed that the successor should be Ali, another group believed it should be abu bakr. that is the main difference which will continue till the end. other differences regarding hadis books and fiqh not any issue to fight with each other. and if we are standing with israel and jews against any of the opposite muslim sect, it shows we are very wrong. siding with israel is just like siding with shetan and you know what will be the result of siding with shetan. and if we want to find points to fight then both shia and sunni ahadis books does have hundreds of weeks ahadis which are enough to creat issues. we need to be united on 90 % common points (or let say 70% for your satisfiction) and do not fight on the remaining 10 to 30 % minor differences. what you have common with jews that you want to side with israel against a muslim country be it iran, turky, KSA, Egypt or XZY. I hope you will think on it and try to have soft corner for all muslims
then why we never see any blasts on sunni or non shia mosques and gatherings just like we see in our land. we got all this filth after the time of general zia and post talibinazation against the soviets. after they fought soviets' those armed bandits started to act against all those who do not follow there ideas.
Just watch the video and as said there Iran is a bigger threat to the Muslim world that Israel ever was. Like it or not, this is true. Israel has no expansionist plans. It just wants to stay in that little sliver of land off the Sinai.

While Iran wants to turn the whole world into Shias. Look at what is happening in Iraq and how iran is now its puppet master.
 

MS pakistani

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Just watch the video and as said there Iran is a bigger threat to the Muslim world that Israel ever was. Like it or not, this is true. Israel has no expansionist plans. It just wants to stay in that little sliver of land off the Sinai.

While Iran wants to turn the whole world into Shias. Look at what is happening in Iraq and how iran is now its puppet master.
i can just say إِنَّا لِلَّهِ وَإِنَّ إِلَيْهِ رَاجِعُونَ. you are so messed up bro. just read surah e fsteh verse number 29 with translation and i hope you will follow true teachings, not follow khawariji teachings. ‎
مُّحَمَّدٌ رَّسُوۡلُ اللّٰهِ‌ؕ وَالَّذِيۡنَ مَعَهٗۤ اَشِدَّآءُ عَلَى الۡكُفَّارِ رُحَمَآءُ بَيۡنَهُمۡ ‌ تَرٰٮهُمۡ رُكَّعًا سُجَّدًا يَّبۡتَغُوۡنَ فَضۡلاً مِّنَ اللّٰهِ وَرِضۡوَانًا‌سِيۡمَاهُمۡ فِىۡ وُجُوۡهِهِمۡ مِّنۡ اَثَرِ السُّجُوۡدِ‌ؕ ذٰلِكَ مَثَلُهُمۡ فِىۡ التَّوۡرٰٮةِ ۛ ۖۚ وَمَثَلُهُمۡ فِىۡ الۡاِنۡجِيۡلِ ۛۚ كَزَرۡعٍ اَخۡرَجَ شَطَاهٗ فَاٰزَرَهٗ فَاسۡتَغۡلَظَ فَاسۡتَوٰى عَلٰى سُوۡقِهٖ يُعۡجِبُ الزُّرَّاعَ لِيَـغِيۡظَ بِهِمُ الۡكُفَّارَ‌ ؕ وَعَدَ اللّٰهُ الَّذِيۡنَ اٰمَنُوۡا وَعَمِلُوۡا الصّٰلِحٰتِ مِنۡهُمۡ مَّغۡفِرَةً وَّاَجۡرًا عَظِيۡمًا‏ ﴿۲۹.
May Allah guide us all to the right path. you can side with jews i will never.
 

Despacito

Voter (50+ posts)
i can just say إِنَّا لِلَّهِ وَإِنَّ إِلَيْهِ رَاجِعُونَ. you are so messed up bro. just read surah e fsteh verse number 29 with translation and i hope you will follow true teachings, not follow khawariji teachings. ‎
مُّحَمَّدٌ رَّسُوۡلُ اللّٰهِ‌ؕ وَالَّذِيۡنَ مَعَهٗۤ اَشِدَّآءُ عَلَى الۡكُفَّارِ رُحَمَآءُ بَيۡنَهُمۡ ‌ تَرٰٮهُمۡ رُكَّعًا سُجَّدًا يَّبۡتَغُوۡنَ فَضۡلاً مِّنَ اللّٰهِ وَرِضۡوَانًا‌سِيۡمَاهُمۡ فِىۡ وُجُوۡهِهِمۡ مِّنۡ اَثَرِ السُّجُوۡدِ‌ؕ ذٰلِكَ مَثَلُهُمۡ فِىۡ التَّوۡرٰٮةِ ۛ ۖۚ وَمَثَلُهُمۡ فِىۡ الۡاِنۡجِيۡلِ ۛۚ كَزَرۡعٍ اَخۡرَجَ شَطَاهٗ فَاٰزَرَهٗ فَاسۡتَغۡلَظَ فَاسۡتَوٰى عَلٰى سُوۡقِهٖ يُعۡجِبُ الزُّرَّاعَ لِيَـغِيۡظَ بِهِمُ الۡكُفَّارَ‌ ؕ وَعَدَ اللّٰهُ الَّذِيۡنَ اٰمَنُوۡا وَعَمِلُوۡا الصّٰلِحٰتِ مِنۡهُمۡ مَّغۡفِرَةً وَّاَجۡرًا عَظِيۡمًا‏ ﴿۲۹.
May Allah guide us all to the right path. you can side with jews i will never.
You just have this jew phobia which you have been brainwashed with since childhood which makes you so blind that an Iranian sunni scholar on live TV is telling you otherwise but you refuse to believe him and he is one voice among many.
 

MS pakistani

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
You just have this jew phobia which you have been brainwashed with since childhood which makes you so blind that an Iranian sunni scholar on live TV is telling you otherwise but you refuse to believe him and he is one voice among many.
it is not jew phobia, it is what Quran says. please read some of these verses with translation.
1. لَّا يَتَّخِذِ ٱلْمُؤْمِنُونَ ٱلْكَٰفِرِينَ أَوْلِيَآءَ مِن دُونِ ٱلْمُؤْمِنِينَ ۖ وَمَن يَفْعَلْ ذَٰلِكَ فَلَيْسَ مِنَ ٱللَّهِ فِى شَىْءٍ إِلَّآ أَن تَتَّقُوا۟ مِنْهُمْ تُقَىٰةً ۗ وَيُحَذِّرُكُمُ ٱللَّهُ نَفْسَهُۥ ۗ وَإِلَى ٱللَّهِ ٱلْمَصِيرُ
2. ٱلَّذِينَ يَتَّخِذُونَ ٱلْكَٰفِرِينَ أَوْلِيَآءَ مِن دُونِ ٱلْمُؤْمِنِينَ ۚ أَيَبْتَغُونَ عِندَهُمُ ٱلْعِزَّةَ فَإِنَّ ٱلْعِزَّةَ لِلَّهِ جَمِيعًا
3. يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ لَا تَتَّخِذُوا۟ ٱلْكَٰفِرِينَ أَوْلِيَآءَ مِن دُونِ ٱلْمُؤْمِنِينَ ۚ أَتُرِيدُونَ أَن تَجْعَلُوا۟ لِلَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ سُلْطَٰنًا مُّبِينًا
4. لَتَجِدَنَّ أَشَدَّ ٱلنَّاسِ عَدَٰوَةً لِّلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ ٱلْيَهُودَ وَٱلَّذِينَ أَشْرَكُوا۟ ۖ وَلَتَجِدَنَّ أَقْرَبَهُم مَّوَدَّةً لِّلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ ٱلَّذِينَ قَالُوٓا۟ إِنَّا نَصَٰرَىٰ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّ مِنْهُمْ قِسِّيسِينَ وَرُهْبَانًا وَأَنَّهُمْ لَا يَسْتَكْبِرُونَ
5. يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ لَا تَتَّخِذُوا۟ ٱلَّذِينَ ٱتَّخَذُوا۟ دِينَكُمْ هُزُوًا وَلَعِبًا مِّنَ ٱلَّذِينَ أُوتُوا۟ ٱلْكِتَٰبَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ وَٱلْكُفَّارَ أَوْلِيَآءَ ۚ وَٱتَّقُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ إِن كُنتُم مُّؤْمِنِينَ
leave it if you still think that yahud is better than any opposite muslim sect. as you said earlier that you have done a research on shia islam, please refer me some of authentic shia books so that i can also know. i am 200% sure than more than 90 % things are same in shia and sunni islam. please just refer me some authentic shia books which you have read.
 

MS pakistani

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
You just have this jew phobia which you have been brainwashed with since childhood which makes you so blind that an Iranian sunni scholar on live TV is telling you otherwise but you refuse to believe him and he is one voice among many.
and also please share with us your conclusion of research so that we can also take benefit. what are the major differences among arkaan e islam, with references. thank you.
 

Despacito

Voter (50+ posts)
it is not jew phobia, it is what Quran says. please read some of these verses with translation.
1. لَّا يَتَّخِذِ ٱلْمُؤْمِنُونَ ٱلْكَٰفِرِينَ أَوْلِيَآءَ مِن دُونِ ٱلْمُؤْمِنِينَ ۖ وَمَن يَفْعَلْ ذَٰلِكَ فَلَيْسَ مِنَ ٱللَّهِ فِى شَىْءٍ إِلَّآ أَن تَتَّقُوا۟ مِنْهُمْ تُقَىٰةً ۗ وَيُحَذِّرُكُمُ ٱللَّهُ نَفْسَهُۥ ۗ وَإِلَى ٱللَّهِ ٱلْمَصِيرُ
2. ٱلَّذِينَ يَتَّخِذُونَ ٱلْكَٰفِرِينَ أَوْلِيَآءَ مِن دُونِ ٱلْمُؤْمِنِينَ ۚ أَيَبْتَغُونَ عِندَهُمُ ٱلْعِزَّةَ فَإِنَّ ٱلْعِزَّةَ لِلَّهِ جَمِيعًا
3. يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ لَا تَتَّخِذُوا۟ ٱلْكَٰفِرِينَ أَوْلِيَآءَ مِن دُونِ ٱلْمُؤْمِنِينَ ۚ أَتُرِيدُونَ أَن تَجْعَلُوا۟ لِلَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ سُلْطَٰنًا مُّبِينًا
4. لَتَجِدَنَّ أَشَدَّ ٱلنَّاسِ عَدَٰوَةً لِّلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ ٱلْيَهُودَ وَٱلَّذِينَ أَشْرَكُوا۟ ۖ وَلَتَجِدَنَّ أَقْرَبَهُم مَّوَدَّةً لِّلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ ٱلَّذِينَ قَالُوٓا۟ إِنَّا نَصَٰرَىٰ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّ مِنْهُمْ قِسِّيسِينَ وَرُهْبَانًا وَأَنَّهُمْ لَا يَسْتَكْبِرُونَ
5. يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ لَا تَتَّخِذُوا۟ ٱلَّذِينَ ٱتَّخَذُوا۟ دِينَكُمْ هُزُوًا وَلَعِبًا مِّنَ ٱلَّذِينَ أُوتُوا۟ ٱلْكِتَٰبَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ وَٱلْكُفَّارَ أَوْلِيَآءَ ۚ وَٱتَّقُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ إِن كُنتُم مُّؤْمِنِينَ
leave it if you still think that yahud is better than any opposite muslim sect. as you said earlier that you have done a research on shia islam, please refer me some of authentic shia books so that i can also know. i am 200% sure than more than 90 % things are same in shia and sunni islam. please just refer me some authentic shia books which you have read.
You can take any ayah out of context and make it want what you mean. For examples the ayahs from surah Imran and Nissa are talking about a specific people of a specific time and Allah is advises that now you should not take these non believers as "Auliyah" This is not a steadfast rule for every Muslim till the end of time.

I suggest you read the entire tafseers of the Surahs from which the Ayahs have been quoted to get the context of what the Quran is saying.

This is the same kind of twisted logic ISIS and Taliban apply.