MQM Gaged before its Mai Baap Aamreeka to Rejoin PPP Govt. - WikiLeaks
magic.magic
Voter (50+ posts)
Mr. Saad, thori angrezi hi durust kar lo. The word is begged not gaged.
Mr. Saad other than the jaali ummat and London Post do you read any proper news paper?
Mr. Saad other than the jaali ummat and London Post do you read any proper news paper?
GraanG2
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I think actually u need to increase ur english vocabulary...
gage definition
When used as a noun it means "something deposited or pledged to ensure that an obligation will be fulfilled; security"...
when used as a transitive verb , it means,
- to offer as a pledge; wager
- to bind by a pledge
This is what MQM meant when they asked mai baap...lol
salmakh84
Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: Re: MQM Gaged before its Mai Baap Aamreeka to Rejoin PPP Govt. - WikiLeaks
Lol. Magic ki english fail
Sent from my GT-I9000
Lol. Magic ki english fail
Sent from my GT-I9000
Night-Hawk
Senator (1k+ posts)
US embassy cable - 08ISLAMABAD421
MQM LOOKING FOR RESPECT
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C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 ISLAMABAD 000421 SIPDIS SIPDIS E.O. 12958: DECL: 01/22/2018 TAGS: PREL, PGOV, PTER, PK SUBJECT: MQM LOOKING FOR RESPECT REF: ISLAMABAD 405 ISLAMABAD 281 Classified By: Anne W. Patterson, for reasons 1.4 (b)(d) 1. (C) Summary. The Muttahida Quami Movement (MQM) based in Karachi appears to be transforming itself from a group of thugs to a service-based grass-roots political party. Expecting to win 20-25 seats in the upcoming National Assembly elections, MQM also sees itself as a potential kingmaker in formation of the next government. MQM wants some respect from the USG for its political development, secularism, and continued support for our policies. End Summary 2. (U) Ambassador, Consul General and Polcouns met January 25 with Muttahida Quami Movement (MQM) mayor Mustafa Kamal and hosted MQM leaders Farooq Sattar and Haider Abbas Rizvi for dinner. Ambassador also met in Karachi with the Pakistan People\'s Party (PPP) Co-Chairman Asif Zardari (Ref A), the American Business Council, Farooq Hassan, Chief Executive of the Management Association of Pakistan, and former President of the Supreme Court Bar Association Munir Malik (septel). Young, Activist Mayor --------------------- 3. (C) At age 36, Mustafa Kamal is a young mayor overseeing an ethnically diverse population of over 16 million people in a city with enormous infrastructure challenges (see also Ref B). Kamal proudly recounted his rise from modest middle-class roots through the MQM party structure. Upon election, he was told by MQM leader Altaf Hussain that he must be the mayor for \"all of Karachi, not just for MQM supporters.\" Kamal seems to have taken this advice to heart by providing basic water and sewer services to neighborhoods of the Pakistan People\'s Party (PPP) and others who have long been neglected by their own parties\' leadership. Kamal boasted that Karachi now provides 68% of all GOP tax revenues. 4. (C) Kamal replaced the traditional revenue maker of a land selloff for the elite with new public-private partnerships that lease land to those willing to develop it to expand the city\'s tax base. He collected taxes dating back forty years by publishing the names of tax evaders, although he lamented that he had to give the revenue to the federal government before he received his share of collections. He pushed through development of new highways and overpasses to ease traffic congestion and razed houses that encroached on city property to expand public parks. 5. (C) Ambassador asked why Karachi had such a bad reputation despite infrastructure progress. Kamal said the PPP under Benazir Bhutto had embarked in the 1990\'s on a series of extra-judicial killings that exacerbated ethnic tensions in the city. MQM\'s popularity grew as the population increasingly wanted law and order and protection from violence. He claimed MQM\'s disciplined party organization and its practice of delivering services without discrimination was responsible for its growing electoral base. But the bad memories persist. Don\'t Ignore Us --------------- 6. (C) Kamal noted that during the difficult 1990\'s, the U.S. never condemned the on-going human rights violations in Karachi. Ambassador said that there had been a perception that MQM was more of a criminal group than a political party, but that we had taken note of MQM\'s efforts to improve its image and its activities. Saying that the MQM was now popular and had an expanding power base, Kamal urged that the U.S. \"stop ignoring us.\" 7. (C) Sattar and Rizvi repeated that same \'please don\'t ignore us\' theme during dinner at the Consul General\'s residence. They pointed out that MQM was avowedly secular and had repeatedly supported USG policy but was treated like a terrorist group. In fact, Sattar asked for USG assistance in convincing the Canadian immigration service to stop listing the MQM as a terrorist organization; Ambassador responded that we knew that the Canadian policy was affecting some asylum cases in the U.S. We would examine what might be ISLAMABAD 00000421 002 OF 002 possible on outreach to Ottowa on this question. Post-Election Coalition ---------------------- 8. (C) Sattar both defended Musharraf and complained about the Pakistan Muslim League\'s (PML) continued dependence on feudal politics that the MQM has abandoned. He noted that MQM had supported Benazir\'s return, and Altaf Hussain was one of the first to offer Zardari condolences on her assassination. Still, he made it clear that MQM could work with either a PML- or PPP-led coalition government after the elections. He predicted that MQM would win 20-25 seats in Karachi, but agreed that plans to expand the party\'s base had been undercut by blame over the May 12 riots. Sattar admitted it was perhaps not wise to have organized a countervailing demonstration to the one organized for the former Chief Justice. But he argued (unconvincingly) that the decision not to intervene and stop the rioting would have caused additional violence. Sattar pointed out that 14 MQM party members had died in the violence that left approximately 40 dead. Altaf Hussain Returns? --------------------- 9. (C) Kamal, Sattar and Rizvi all confirmed that Altaf Hussain had expressed an interest in returning to Pakistan, but this idea had been rejected by the party. They feared that another assassination attempt would be made and they would be left leaderless. Nevertheless, while leaving dinner, Sattar indicated that Hussain could, in fact, be induced to return with the right deal for inclusion in a coalition government. (Note: According to press reports, President Musharraf met with Hussain in London this week.) The National Reconciliation Ordinance signed by Musharraf to give Bhutto and others immunity from prosecution reportedly benefited many MQM members; if Musharraf extends the NRO, this may increase Hussain\'s willingness to return from self-imposed exile. 10. (C) Comment: Despite some continuing evidence of thuggery, MQM is making progress in emerging as a popular grass-roots political party, and it clearly is improving city life in Karachi. As Musharraf\'s visit to Hussain demonstrated, PML very much wants to keep MQM in its coalition corner. But the PPP\'s Zardari (Ref A) also believes a coalition with MQM would be possible. Like some of Pakistan\'s other small parties, MQM also sees itself as a possible kingmaker in forming the next coalition government. PATTERSON
http://cables.mrkva.eu/cable.php?id=139128
MQM LOOKING FOR RESPECT
| 08ISLAMABAD421 |
| Embassy Islamabad |
| 2008-01-29 13:36:00 |
| CONFIDENTIAL |
VZCZCXRO3938 OO RUEHLH RUEHPW DE RUEHIL #0421/01 0291336 ZNY CCCCC ZZH O 291336Z JAN 08 FM AMEMBASSY ISLAMABAD TO RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHDC IMMEDIATE 4713 INFO RUEHBUL/AMEMBASSY KABUL PRIORITY 8097 RUEHLO/AMEMBASSY LONDON PRIORITY 7139 RUEHNE/AMEMBASSY NEW DELHI PRIORITY 2718 RUEHOT/AMEMBASSY OTTAWA PRIORITY 1130 RUEHKP/AMCONSUL KARACHI PRIORITY 8772 RUEHLH/AMCONSUL LAHORE PRIORITY 4686 RUEHPW/AMCONSUL PESHAWAR PRIORITY 3362 RUEKJCS/SECDEF WASHINGTON DC PRIORITY RUMICEA/USCENTCOM INTEL CEN MACDILL AFB FL PRIORITY RHWSMRC/USCINCCENT MACDILL AFB FL PRIORITY RUEAIIA/CIA WASHDC PRIORITY
C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 ISLAMABAD 000421 SIPDIS SIPDIS E.O. 12958: DECL: 01/22/2018 TAGS: PREL, PGOV, PTER, PK SUBJECT: MQM LOOKING FOR RESPECT REF: ISLAMABAD 405 ISLAMABAD 281 Classified By: Anne W. Patterson, for reasons 1.4 (b)(d) 1. (C) Summary. The Muttahida Quami Movement (MQM) based in Karachi appears to be transforming itself from a group of thugs to a service-based grass-roots political party. Expecting to win 20-25 seats in the upcoming National Assembly elections, MQM also sees itself as a potential kingmaker in formation of the next government. MQM wants some respect from the USG for its political development, secularism, and continued support for our policies. End Summary 2. (U) Ambassador, Consul General and Polcouns met January 25 with Muttahida Quami Movement (MQM) mayor Mustafa Kamal and hosted MQM leaders Farooq Sattar and Haider Abbas Rizvi for dinner. Ambassador also met in Karachi with the Pakistan People\'s Party (PPP) Co-Chairman Asif Zardari (Ref A), the American Business Council, Farooq Hassan, Chief Executive of the Management Association of Pakistan, and former President of the Supreme Court Bar Association Munir Malik (septel). Young, Activist Mayor --------------------- 3. (C) At age 36, Mustafa Kamal is a young mayor overseeing an ethnically diverse population of over 16 million people in a city with enormous infrastructure challenges (see also Ref B). Kamal proudly recounted his rise from modest middle-class roots through the MQM party structure. Upon election, he was told by MQM leader Altaf Hussain that he must be the mayor for \"all of Karachi, not just for MQM supporters.\" Kamal seems to have taken this advice to heart by providing basic water and sewer services to neighborhoods of the Pakistan People\'s Party (PPP) and others who have long been neglected by their own parties\' leadership. Kamal boasted that Karachi now provides 68% of all GOP tax revenues. 4. (C) Kamal replaced the traditional revenue maker of a land selloff for the elite with new public-private partnerships that lease land to those willing to develop it to expand the city\'s tax base. He collected taxes dating back forty years by publishing the names of tax evaders, although he lamented that he had to give the revenue to the federal government before he received his share of collections. He pushed through development of new highways and overpasses to ease traffic congestion and razed houses that encroached on city property to expand public parks. 5. (C) Ambassador asked why Karachi had such a bad reputation despite infrastructure progress. Kamal said the PPP under Benazir Bhutto had embarked in the 1990\'s on a series of extra-judicial killings that exacerbated ethnic tensions in the city. MQM\'s popularity grew as the population increasingly wanted law and order and protection from violence. He claimed MQM\'s disciplined party organization and its practice of delivering services without discrimination was responsible for its growing electoral base. But the bad memories persist. Don\'t Ignore Us --------------- 6. (C) Kamal noted that during the difficult 1990\'s, the U.S. never condemned the on-going human rights violations in Karachi. Ambassador said that there had been a perception that MQM was more of a criminal group than a political party, but that we had taken note of MQM\'s efforts to improve its image and its activities. Saying that the MQM was now popular and had an expanding power base, Kamal urged that the U.S. \"stop ignoring us.\" 7. (C) Sattar and Rizvi repeated that same \'please don\'t ignore us\' theme during dinner at the Consul General\'s residence. They pointed out that MQM was avowedly secular and had repeatedly supported USG policy but was treated like a terrorist group. In fact, Sattar asked for USG assistance in convincing the Canadian immigration service to stop listing the MQM as a terrorist organization; Ambassador responded that we knew that the Canadian policy was affecting some asylum cases in the U.S. We would examine what might be ISLAMABAD 00000421 002 OF 002 possible on outreach to Ottowa on this question. Post-Election Coalition ---------------------- 8. (C) Sattar both defended Musharraf and complained about the Pakistan Muslim League\'s (PML) continued dependence on feudal politics that the MQM has abandoned. He noted that MQM had supported Benazir\'s return, and Altaf Hussain was one of the first to offer Zardari condolences on her assassination. Still, he made it clear that MQM could work with either a PML- or PPP-led coalition government after the elections. He predicted that MQM would win 20-25 seats in Karachi, but agreed that plans to expand the party\'s base had been undercut by blame over the May 12 riots. Sattar admitted it was perhaps not wise to have organized a countervailing demonstration to the one organized for the former Chief Justice. But he argued (unconvincingly) that the decision not to intervene and stop the rioting would have caused additional violence. Sattar pointed out that 14 MQM party members had died in the violence that left approximately 40 dead. Altaf Hussain Returns? --------------------- 9. (C) Kamal, Sattar and Rizvi all confirmed that Altaf Hussain had expressed an interest in returning to Pakistan, but this idea had been rejected by the party. They feared that another assassination attempt would be made and they would be left leaderless. Nevertheless, while leaving dinner, Sattar indicated that Hussain could, in fact, be induced to return with the right deal for inclusion in a coalition government. (Note: According to press reports, President Musharraf met with Hussain in London this week.) The National Reconciliation Ordinance signed by Musharraf to give Bhutto and others immunity from prosecution reportedly benefited many MQM members; if Musharraf extends the NRO, this may increase Hussain\'s willingness to return from self-imposed exile. 10. (C) Comment: Despite some continuing evidence of thuggery, MQM is making progress in emerging as a popular grass-roots political party, and it clearly is improving city life in Karachi. As Musharraf\'s visit to Hussain demonstrated, PML very much wants to keep MQM in its coalition corner. But the PPP\'s Zardari (Ref A) also believes a coalition with MQM would be possible. Like some of Pakistan\'s other small parties, MQM also sees itself as a possible kingmaker in forming the next coalition government. PATTERSON
http://cables.mrkva.eu/cable.php?id=139128
SaadKnight
Senator (1k+ posts)
Nahein main MQM centric hon. Koi aur news paper parhnay ki zaroorat nahein, TV cahnnels hain na ;)
maksyed
Siasat.pk - Blogger
I think u should stop your terrorists activities, & concentrate on your studies, you should take admission in English Language Course ..... but be careful, you need to get rid off ur weapons before u go fr studies .....:lol::lol::lol:
crankthskunk
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Bro Syed, don't give him this advice, otherwise he would queue up tomorrow in the line to obtain the student visa for either UK or USA. Why you wan't to send him to UK?
We had enough of them here, we are trying to send one to Jail for a verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry long period of time, hopefully he would die there quickly, instead of a hospital.[hilar][hilar]
And you are giving him advice to fill the quota of MQM in the UK after AH is gone to jail.:lol::lol:
maksyed
Siasat.pk - Blogger
[hilar][hilar]
next2saint
MPA (400+ posts)
MQM has a leader who is not even pakistani... British citizenship means one has to obey as a servent of queen and all activities shud be in interest of UK policies... i wud never ever make someone my leader who is so chicken to call himself Pakistani and cant stay in Pakistan, even though his party wud be in power for so long...
as they say.. is God near or boxing punch? (Khuda kareeb keh kusun)... ppl in khi sees that boxing punch nearer than God.. no wonder they r not gettin Allah's help yet...
May Allah expose all those killers/terrorist who acts as a Pakistani yet they aint... (Amen!)
mehwish_ali
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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اس خط سے تو ثابت ہو گیا ہے کہ متحدہ کو وزارتوں کا ہرگز کوئی لالچ نہیں ہے۔ یاد رہے متحدہ نے قومی اسمبلی میں اتنی بہت سی نشستیں ہونے کے باوجود صرف اور صرف "سوا" وزارت لی تھی۔
پہلی وزارت شپنگ کی تھی۔ یہ انڈسٹری خسارے میں جا رہی تھی، مگر بابر غوری کے وزیر بننے کے بعد سے منافع میں ہے۔
اور بقیہ ایک اعشاریہ پچیس فیصد وزارت فاروق ستار کی تھی (اوور سیز پاکستانی) ۔ یعنی اگر کوئی پاکستانی دیار غیر میں فوت ہو جائے تو فاروق ستار اسے واپس لائیں۔ اور اس سے منسلک جو لیبر کی وزارت تھی وہ پیپلز پارٹی نے اپنے پاس رکھی تھی۔
تو مخالفین پھر کیونکہ متحدہ پر الزام لگاتے ہیں کو متحدہ حکومت کے اور وزارتوں کے مزے لوٹنے کے لیے حکومت میں شامل ہوتی ہے؟
یہ لیک الٹا متحدہ کی نظریاتی جماعت ہونے کا گواہ ہے۔
متحدہ پیپلز پارٹی کی موجودہ حکومت میں ان وجوہات کی بنا پر شامل ہوئی ہے:۔
پہلا اس سے اندرون سندھ مہاجر اور سندھی تعلقات میں تصادم کی جگہ امن و امان اور بھائی چارے کی فضا بڑھے گی۔
اس سے کراچی میں امن و امان قائم رکھنے میں مدد ملے گی۔
اس سے متحدہ کا مقصد انتہا پسندی کے خلاف کامیابی، پاکستان میں امن کا قائم کرنا، پاکستان کو اقتصادی ترقی پر گامزن کرنا اور حکومت کو بھارت کے ساتھ کشمیر ایشو حل کرنے میں مدد دینا ہے۔
اس لیک سے ثابت ہوتا ہے کہ متحدہ مکمل طور پر پاکستان کی وفادار ہے، اور اسکو ترقی دینا چاہتی ہے۔ آپ کو اسکے سیکولر ایجنڈے پر اختلاف تو ہو سکتا ہے، مگر آپ اسے پاکستان کا غدار ہونے اور پاکستان توڑنے کا الزام نہیں دے سکتے۔ اس سے یہ بات بھی ظاہر ہوتی ہے کہ متحدہ امریکی ایجنٹ نہیں ہے۔
آپ لوگ ایک مرتبہ دل کھول کر یہ لیک پھر سے پڑھیں اور آپ کو میری یہ تمام باتیں سچ نظر آئیں گی۔
roshansachai
Senator (1k+ posts)
MQM=TERRORIST, FULL STOP. THOSE WHO STILL FAVOR MQM R BUNCH OF MORONS.:angry_smile::angry_smile: ACTUALLY NOT JUST MORONS BUT ENEMIES OF PAKISTAN.
Yes . . . . He have to read the Purchees of bhattas/Fitras, distributed by MQM squandrels whom you supports . . . .
karachiwala
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
WIKILEAKS about MQM
Mr.Restless
Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: WIKILEAKS about MQM
ptaa nahn kab hmari politics main american influence khatam ho ga..?
ptaa nahn kab hmari politics main american influence khatam ho ga..?
BanneD
MPA (400+ posts)
Re: WIKILEAKS about MQM
Do you called this politics ??? Good God!! Bhai this is just a simple game of money and seat of president!! Politics wo thi jo Quaid-e-azam and Gandhi ke darmayan hoti thi.. Revolution was that jo bhutto le kar aaya and game plan is this what we are facing!! So donot call this politics pleasE!!
Chaudhry_1960
Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: WIKILEAKS about MQM
Again, daily Ummat :lol::lol::lol:
Please give us links from a reliable source not from a Jamaati jhoota newspaper just like Jamate Islami.
Again, daily Ummat :lol::lol::lol:
Please give us links from a reliable source not from a Jamaati jhoota newspaper just like Jamate Islami.
