Muslims refused to be mocked

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
If you tolerate everything, you stand for nothing. I like that, similar to one of my favourite quotes from Jon Stewart. If you amplify everything you hear nothing.

Having said that. I will also have to say, just because you don't tolerate something doesn't mean you have to go to the extreme and kill or destroy it. There are other ways to not tolerate something and register your protest.
 

1234567

Minister (2k+ posts)
If you tolerate everything, you stand for nothing. I like that, similar to one of my favourite quotes from Jon Stewart. If you amplify everything you hear nothing.

Having said that. I will also have to say, just because you don't tolerate something doesn't mean you have to go to the extreme and kill or destroy it. There are other ways to not tolerate something and register your protest.
You are right but when it comes to Rasool Pak, Quran and Allah than no tolerance of any kind, only direct action.
 

Rio

Councller (250+ posts)
If you tolerate everything, you stand for nothing. I like that, similar to one of my favourite quotes from Jon Stewart. If you amplify everything you hear nothing.

I think these are derived from Alexander Hamilton's quote Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.
 

Masud Rajaa

Siasat member
You are right but when it comes to Rasool Pak, Quran and Allah than no tolerance of any kind, only direct action.
It all comes down to faith
Majority of the people from other religions have kind of left it
but muslims truly live their lives based on it.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
As I have explained already I have problems with understanding of things by almost everyone. It is because to me their explanations about things seem to be lacking rational consistency.

Take for example, origin of existence. We are told that things popped into existence out of absolute nothing. This clearly contradicts the idea of energy being uncreated and cannot be destroyed. This means energy is ever exiting. If this is the case then the problem is, whatever is ever existing cannot change its own nature of being or it cannot be called ever existing. I mean one day something is a chicken and the next day a horse and another day a stone. It is because whatever is there in the beginning has to remain the very same in its nature of existence for ever and ever or it cannot be called ever existing if it keeps changing along the way. Energy we are told changes its shapes and forms all the time, so how can it be ever existing?

Nothing (ie zero) is defined as having certain properties and ultimately those properties bring about all that exists. We call nothing or zero by that name because we define it for our purposes eg when we are using numbers for calculations or computing we need to add a symbol for nothing as a place holder. It does not mean nothing is something in any other context. Symbols themselves are not the things they are used for. Symbols are just symbols and nothing more which help us work things out otherwise we cannot even talk about things let alone explain them for each other. This is part of human language to use words or gestures etc for ideas or thoughts otherwise we cannot even express ourselves properly. I have explained all this already in detail.

The simple rational fact is, if we accept there was absolutely nothing at all in the beginning then there could not come about anything at all. This is why nothing means nothing. To try to create something out of absolute nothingness is simply put nonsense because it makes absolutely no sense and it cannot make any sense ever.

Similarly the idea of first cause is also nonsense when people try to tell us that the first cause has to be the simplest possible thing. God is a far too complex idea to take for a creator they say but when we try to get into nitty-gritty of the idea of simplest possible first cause it too makes no sense. It is because the same question pops up again and again as to where did the first cause come from or what gave rise to first cause? One should be able to see that when we try to see what properties the first cause ought to have before it could give rise to whatever exists we end up with same attributes of first cause with which we qualify God. Therefore this idea of first cause being simple makes no sense at all.

The idea of multiverse is also nothing more than nonsense of twisted minds who are allergic to idea of God and revelation. It is because ultimately we end up with very same question ie who or what initiated multiverse? These people who are wasting their lives on feeding to each other nonsense why don't they put same amount of time into proper study of the quran? People even before thinking say, the quran is nothing but utter nonsense.

Think about it, the quran has been there for last 1500 years and we are 8 billion people on the face of the earth today. How many people have thought out of this much human population to write books like the quran. None, why they did not? Why muhammad was the only person who ever came to humanity with a book like the quran. The quran if it could give people what they needed or wanted then why no one else wrote such a book ever again? If muhammad wanted to fool humanity then so could others by writing even better books for this purpose than the quran but they did not. This is why the quran cannot be dismissed as a nonsense. This is why it deserve proper study by humanity.

The question that who created God is nonsense question. People are missing the point I am making. I am saying that any being that is said to be ever existing, for it to qualify as such, must remain the very same through and through otherwise if it changes its nature with time then it does not and cannot qualify as ever existing.

The universe is not ever exiting because we can clearly see it changing in its nature with time. We can say this universe was not there 15 billion years ago with reasonable certainty but it is here today. Not only that but it also went through many phases to be what it is today since its origin.

As for the question about who created God, God is not a created being to begin with because whatever is created, it is a created being and not a God. It is a wrong question to ask. The very reason for which we ask the question as to where things have come from is because we see them coming from each other. However when we reach the end of chain of cause and effect then we are stuck because we are here already and we could not be here all by ourselves. So we assume a creator who himself is uncreated. To take this further we bring in concept of revelation to support this assumption or claim.

This is why the scripture becomes an utmost important thing and this is why its proper interpretation also becomes absolutely necessary. Dismissing all this means living and dying in utter confusion for humanity. It is because then humanity is shutting all doors to reaching the truth and living a purposeful life. This is why no sensible person can ever claim nonexistence of God and his revelation because doing so is impossible to prove. While on the other hand it is possible to prove existence of God through rational arguments using the creation of God and the revelation of God as evidences.

God has two types of attributes a)which describe nature of God and b) which describe capabilities of God. Likewise the quran is word of God because the information given in it comes from God but the book we have is man made. Let me try and explain it in a bit of detail. You see, when we talk to each other using a phone, the voices we hear are not our own voices rather they are electronically created voices by way of microphones and speakers using electronic circuits called amplifiers. However the information is our own and not generated by electronic circuits. They are simply put a medium for transmission of information. Likewise God used mediums to convey his messages to humanity. This is how the quran is word of God in one sense but human work in the other sense.

Some people also say people who believe in only one God are also wrong because they do not believe in millions of others Gods that other people believe in. This way of looking at things is very wrong because if most people accept or believe in wrong ideas due to not looking at the required evidences properly that does not mean that all people should accept or believe in wrong ideas. Concepts should be judged individually by people to see upon what evidences they are based and if they are based upon reasonable evidences then they should be accepted otherwise rejected. The God who speaks in the quran provides sufficient evidences to prove his existence and if people will truly understand the quran it will lead them to a life they cannot even imagine. So humanity has a win win situation by understanding, accepting and abiding by actual message in the quran properly otherwise no matter what, humanity is in a terrible loss and it will remain so as it has been till it sees and accepts and adopts the truth the quran speaks. Just read surah alasr 103.

Why people are justifying their staying away from the proper study of the quran merely on basis of mullaan nonsense? We know for sure that mullaans were and still are front men of rulers and money lenders. None can prove these like people good human beings at all. It is because these people are predators and hunters of humanity and that is what they are doing right now before our own very eyes. This is why none can justify what philosophers and scientist and mullaan or rules and money lenders are doing to the human world.

How people can organise and regulate themselves and for what end is very easy to decide in light of the quran. Why don't people ask themselves such questions? All people need to do is bring about a constitution and its laws based upon the quranic guidelines and see what happens in the human world.

The quran talks about change of QIBLAH, does anyone know what is a qiblah? The quran tells us God does not change condition of a people unless they change themselves, what does it mean in the proper context of the quranic text? Here God is talking about two ways of life people can choose to live by ie one way could lead them to their unity therefore to peace between themselves as a brotherhood of humanity and because they are all united and at peace with one another they can go full speed ahead for their progress whereby they could end up prosperous as a proper human community in the kingdom of one true God, The other way of life is what some people invent and impose it upon others for their personal gains at their expense. This leads mankind to disunity or rifts through disputes or differences or conflicts therefore all kinds of fights and wars. This is why humanity ends up in a state or condition that we see it in right now before our very eyes unless we are blind both mentally and physically.

This is what qiblah is all about ie choosing right aim and objective for a constitution so that we end up in the right place or arrive at the right destination. It is not about a small cubical building called kaba in makkah saudi arabia. Such are false interpretations of the quranic text by mullaans. This is why if people want a life of paradise in this very world then they must try and understand the quranic text in its own proper context which is, the quran is a book of guidelines for a proper islamic constitution and its laws as I have clearly explained already. This is actual shariah of deen of islam. Not mullaism stupidity which ignorant masses follow blindly and call it shariah law.

Look at surah 114 ie annaas the very last surah of the quran. Here God is telling his messenger to tell to mankind to seek refuge in God. The question is what is refuge and from what and why or how? How can God take care of people? Simply through giving them a way of life to live by whereby people do not do wrongs to each other. Not only that but also they must not leave any stone unturned in doing all that is good for ensuring well being of each other for sake of God. God also talks about people who will conspire against all this so people of God must remain alert and aware so that they are not taken by surprise by their opponents. So the quran is not an old rubbish book but the book for the best possible future of humanity.

Look at surah alkausar ie 108. God is saying he has given to humanity all that is good ie an ocean or sea of goodness through his revealed messages. In short there is nothing good that could come from God for humanity but it is part of his revealed messages throughout times and places. So individuals are told to work hard for unity of mankind under this aim and objective and be ready to make needed sacrifices in this cause. Then it is told that those who will oppose this way of life will perish and they have been perishing always and the same is true and before our very eyes. Look at what mullaans have made of this surah. This should open eyes of those who condemn the quran for foolishness of mullaans as well as their own foolishness for failing to think at a higher level.

Look at surah allahab 111. This has nothing at all to do with uncle of the messenger of God and his wife. It is talking about all such leaders of nations or communities who live by a way of life that is wrong whereby they lead their people into life of hell instead of life in a paradise that is created by people themselves according to a society building plan given to them by God. This is what the quran is about ie a proper human community building plan from God. You can never build a proper human community by uttering words like there is only one deity for worship or pooja paat or by waving your behinds in the air and rubbing your noses on the ground or by staying hungry and thirsty or by paying 2.5% of your wealth once in a year or by visiting a cube in makkah once in a life time. These are clear falsehoods attributed to message of God by low lives in human world.

What is surah 110 annasar about? Here again God is saying whenever his help comes and opens the way for mankind, you will see people entering way of life called deen of islam in huge numbers or multitudes. How does God help? By revealing to mankind how to live properly in this world. Then it is up to people to struggle and strive for that kind of life in this world and accomplish it for themselves. God only shows the way and to walk upon that way is up to people themselves. So when you people see the way and people start joining it then work harder to organise and regulate them into a proper human community. It is one thing to learn the message of God properly for oneself and another thing to pass it on properly to others. Only when these two things are done properly that people will come together as a proper human community and then a kingdom will come about in kingdom of God based upon proper guidance of God. All these very clear messages have been misinterpreted by mullaans to mislead mankind. This is why mullaans are condemned as shaitaans by the quran. People are warned by the quran to stay clear of mullaans. If people will start understanding the quran in its proper context their perception about the quran will definitely change for the best.

Here is how people can organise and regulate themselves properly as a proper human community in the kingdom of God. If people look at our world, it is full of all kinds of resources for the good of humanity to ensure its well being for sake of God. All people need to do is organise and regulate themselves to benefit from all this properly as a human family. We do not need to exploit or manipulate or use each other abusively to achieve this goal. This is why we human beings do not need any kinds of tricks and mechanism for exploiting or manipulating or abusively using each other. Organising and regulating simply means knowing tasks needs to be carried out and dividing them between ourselves and then carrying them out as a proper human family for sake of God. We still need to do what we are already doing but for a different end which kicks out the idea of exploitation or manipulation or abusive use of each other by each other for our personal gains at each other's expense.

Deen of islam is all about a complimentary human society where in people join each other for sake of God and do all that is needed done for ensuring well being of all. It is not a utopia but a pragmatic things ie practically possible thing to do for humanity. All we need for doing that is sensible people not stupid people who do not know nor learn sense of how to make proper sense of things.

People get a huge fright when we talk about a single world government, why? Because they are frightened of what is going on in the world in each of the countries in the world. What they fail to realise is the fact that those governments are just controlling freaks because they have no properly educated people therefore they have no proper constitutions and laws so the end result is the kind of governments we have. If we have a properly educated people who bring about a proper constitution with proper laws then the whole perspective changes. Deen of islam is not at all about some people controlling others on willy-nilly grounds through exploitative or manipulative or abusive constitutions and their laws rather it is about all people serving God as his workers according to the best of their God given abilities to ensure well being of all human beings as much as it is humanly possible for mankind. So it is very clear that deen of islam is most superior way of life and humanity has yet to discover it because it has been buried under a lot of rubbish that has been thrown at it by mullaans on behest of rulers and money lenders for fooling ignorant masses. They have no idea who is their true friend with proper knowledge of things and who is their true enemy due to his stupidity and stubbornness.

This is why when all people can fit in with each other excellently as a proper human family and none can be exploited or manipulated or abused by any one else then none can be allowed to disturb that equilibrium or the whole thing can fall apart which can ruin many lives as the case is in front of our own very eyes right now. Deen of slam teaches all to be on the very same page and not to try to dominate each other by undermining each other for personal gains at each other's expense. Deen of islam teaches positive competition between people whereby each person ought to try to do better than what someone else has done for the betterment of the proper human community. It bans negative competition or rivalries whereby people try to dominate each other by undermining each other for their personal gains at the expense of each other as we are seeing throughout the human world.

You will see youtube is full of videos whereby mullaans are busy trying to justify their islam such as islam is very good for women. How can it be if it has not done any good for its people for centuries and this includes both men and women? if men have been abused then what chance is there for women to not to be abused? Look at what is happening to muslim children all over the islamic world. Religious muslims take their children as their personal properties just like everything else and that is how they use and treat them. If anything they are worst than secularists because they do so in the very name of one true God. Had they taken children as gifts from God for the good of humanity then they will have raised them as soldiers of God who will have worked for the good of mankind by ensuring well being of mankind. Look at any religious population anywhere in the world they are all the same. Having no sense of making proper sense of things. This is why hindus are abusing and killing hindus and same is true about parsis, jews, christian, muslims or sikhs etc etc. The very same is true about all secularists everywhere in the world. We can see how capitalists and communists are at each other's throats. Each person is competing against all others for one's personal gains at their expense. So it is not very difficult to see how stupid people think they are very clever.