Pakistanis: Are we Indians or Semitic Arab race?

StarTrooper

MPA (400+ posts)
Lets see what our traditions say

Baloch claim to be descendants of Ameer Hamza, uncle of the prophet Muhammad, who settled in Halab (present-day Aleppo). After the fight against second Umayyad Caliph Yazid I at Karbala (in which Ameer Hamza's descendants supported and fought alongside Husayn ibn Ali) in 680, descendants of Ameer Hamza migrated to east or southeast of the central Caspian region, specially toward Sistan,[16] Iran, remaining there for nearly 500 years until they fled to the Makran

Pathans The study shows that Qais Abdul Rashid the progenitor of the Pathans was from Israeli race. The major Pathan tribes attributed to his descendants are offsprings of the Gharghashti, Betani and Sarwanai of the Sami race. It also makes it clear that the descendants and tribes belonging to the people of Matta are patched in Pathan and are the descendants of Sayyid Shah Hussein (Sayed Ali Sarmast), renowned as Shah Hussein Ghouri. These are Arab-race and attributed to the sixth Imam of the Shiites, i.e. Imam Ja'far Sadiq (AS). Thus, the two great and famous clans of Ghaljai and Ludi in Mati Tribe, and their subcategories, such as Hotak, Kharoti, Tukhi, Taraki, Ahmadzai, Ibrahim Khel, Soori, Suleiman Khel, Neyazi, ... are Arabs . Similarly, the people of Wardak and their brothers Honai, Oshtoranai and Mashwanai are Arab-race Pathans from the descendants of Sayyed Mohammad Gisodaraz.

Syeds all over Pakistan are descendents of Hazrat Ali and are ethnic Arabs as well as Qureshis

Arians
of Punjab and Sindh are desendents of the soldiers of Muhammad Bin Qasim an Arab race

Turko Mongols Mugals, Chugtais, Barlas, Kazalbashs etc all over Pakistan are Turkic people

If we combine all of them they make up more than 50% population of Pakistan . Our proud ancestors invaded & settled this Hindu land claimed it in the name of Islam and also spread the message of Islam to local Indian subjects like Jats, Rajputs, Gujars, lohars, Telis etc who make up rest of the population of Pakistan. Indeed majorty of Pakistanis are Arab Semetic race

Unfortunatly due to the adoption of Persian language of fire worshipers by Turko Mongol elites of Islamic empires of India gave way to Iranian Majosi languages to spread. Arab Semtic Balochs and Pathans ended up adopting Iranian Majosi languages later these Majosi languages renamed as Balochi & Pushto. Indeed the real mother language of proud Balochs & Pathans is Arabic

Due to Hindus & Indian influence Arab Syeds, Qureshi & Arians ended up adopting Hindu Indian languages like Sindhi ,Punjabi & Urdu. Majority of Sindis and Muhajirs are not Indians ethnically only linguistically . Indeed Arabic is a real mother language of majority of Muhajirs & Sindhis.

Punjab is the only province of Pakistan where non Arab Semtic race of Indians is in majority and it is not a hidden truth that Punjabis are the ones on the fore front in spreading & imposing Indian culture & Indian language Urdu in the name of nationalism to all over Pakistan and has been succesful in turning Pakistan culturally & linguistically as little India.

Never to forget it were the people of Punjab who created Sikh religion to counter the spread of Islam such a thing never happened anywhere in areas under Muslim control nor in Arabia nor in Persia nor in Turkistan and Africa. Never to forget Ahmdiya movement is another attempt by some people of Punjab to erode Islam within and turn Indian Urdu language into scared one along Arabic and Punjab into a holy land along Hijaz . Unfortunatly this movement has also spread all over world & growing day by day. Such a thing with such a force also never happened anywhere else in the lands under Muslim control

It is a time for Muslims of Pakistan to revert back to true Islamic culture of our ancestors .As the majority more than 50% Pakistanis are Semetic or Arabs . Arabic should be the national language of Pakistan and Arabic culture should be promoted to connect us to our true roots. As majority of us are desendants of Arabs, we should also join Arab league?
 
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A.jokhio

Minister (2k+ posts)
Lets see what our traditions say

Baloch claim to be descendants of Ameer Hamza, uncle of the prophet Muhammad, who settled in Halab (present-day Aleppo). After the fight against second Umayyad Caliph Yazid I at Karbala (in which Ameer Hamza's descendants supported and fought alongside Husayn ibn Ali) in 680, descendants of Ameer Hamza migrated to east or southeast of the central Caspian region, specially toward Sistan,[16] Iran, remaining there for nearly 500 years until they fled to the Makran

Pathans The study shows that Qais Abdul Rashid the progenitor of the Pathans was from Israeli race. The major Pathan tribes attributed to his descendants are offsprings of the Gharghashti, Betani and Sarwanai of the Sami race. It also makes it clear that the descendants and tribes belonging to the people of Matta are patched in Pathan and are the descendants of Sayyid Shah Hussein (Sayed Ali Sarmast), renowned as Shah Hussein Ghouri. These are Arab-race and attributed to the sixth Imam of the Shiites, i.e. Imam Ja'far Sadiq (AS). Thus, the two great and famous clans of Ghaljai and Ludi in Mati Tribe, and their subcategories, such as Hotak, Kharoti, Tukhi, Taraki, Ahmadzai, Ibrahim Khel, Soori, Suleiman Khel, Neyazi, ... are Arabs . Similarly, the people of Wardak and their brothers Honai, Oshtoranai and Mashwanai are Arab-race Pathans from the descendants of Sayyed Mohammad Gisodaraz.

Syeds all over Pakistan are descendents of Hazrat Ali and are ethnic Arabs as well as Qureshis

Arians
of Punjab and Sindh are desendents of the soldiers of Muhammad Bin Qasim an Arab race

Turko Mongols Mugals, Chugtais, Barlas, Kazalbashs etc all over Pakistan are Turkic people

If we combine all of them they make up more than 50% population of Pakistan . Our proud ancestors invaded & settled this Hindu land claimed it in the name of Islam and also spread the message of Islam to local Indian subjects like Jats, Rajputs, Gujars, lohars, Telis etc who make up rest of the population of Pakistan. Indeed majorty of Pakistanis are Arab Semetic race

Unfortunatly due to the adoption of Persian language of fire worshipers by Turko Mongol elites of Islamic empires of India gave way to Iranian Majosi languages to spread. Arab Semtic Balochs and Pathans ended up adopting Iranian Majosi languages later these Majosi languages renamed as Balochi & Pushto. Indeed the real mother language of proud Balochs & Pathans is Arabic

Due to Hindus & Indian influence Arab Syeds, Qureshi & Arians ended up adopting Hindu Indian languages like Sindhi ,Punjabi & Urdu. Majority of Sindis and Muhajirs are not Indians ethnically only linguistically . Indeed Arabic is a real mother language of majority of Muhajirs & Sindhis.

Punjab is the only province of Pakistan where non Arab Semtic race of Indians is in majority and it is not a hidden truth that Punjabis are the ones on the fore front in spreading & imposing Indian culture & Indian language Urdu in the name of nationalism to all over Pakistan and has been succesful in turning Pakistan culturally & linguistically as little India.

Never to forget it were the people of Punjab who created Sikh religion to counter the spread of Islam such a thing never happened anywhere in areas under Muslim control nor in Arabia nor in Persia nor in Turkistan and Africa. Never to forget Ahmdiya movement is another attempt by some people of Punjab to erode Islam within and turn Indian Urdu language into scared one along Arabic and Punjab into a holly land along Hijaz . Unfortunatly this movement has also spread all over world & growing day by day. Such a thing with such a force also never happened anywhere else in the lands under Muslim control

It is a time for Muslims of Pakistan to revert back to true Islamic culture of our ancestors .As the majority more than 50% Pakistanis are Semetic or Arabs . Arabic should be the national language of Pakistan and Arabic culture should be promoted to connect us to our true roots. As majority of us are desendants of Arab, we should also join Arab league?
seriously!!!..you put this much time to create divide in nation just on grounds of racism/ethnicity...or what exactly is your point???...u are not Pakistani...i am damn sure bout it...
This country is formed in name of Islam and our Kalma...La ilaha illalAllah...that it...no matter what, race, color, language we belong...This what, that differs Pakistan from other muslim estates...
May Allah, protect, help, bless and guide us all...
 

StarTrooper

MPA (400+ posts)
seriously!!!..you put this much time to create divide in nation just on grounds of racism/ethnicity...or what exactly is your point???...u are not Pakistani...i am damn sure bout it...
This country is formed in name of Islam and our Kalma...La ilaha illalAllah...that it...no matter what, race, color, language we belong...This what, that differs Pakistan from other muslim estates...
May Allah, protect, help, bless and guide us all...

Divide? I am just saying lets revert back to our true root. If we can adopt Indian culture and language then why cannot we revert back to our root Arabic culture & language. It will also connect us to wider Islamic world. Arabs will also start seeing us as equals ?

Come on stop issuing Fitwas
 
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aqibarain

Minister (2k+ posts)
Divide? I am just saying lets revert back to our true root. If we can adopt Indian culture and language then why cannot we revert back to our root Arabic culture & language. It will also connect us to wider Islamic world. Arabs will also start seeing us as equals ?

Come on stop issuing Fitwas

you are a sanghi commando with very low IQ.
cultures keep evolve with time. it was once hindu culture then came muslims and unlike what Australians did to Aboriginals by destorying their culture and imposing white culture we did not destroy culture of the land and adopted and made our own changes for us.
We even created whole new language called Urdu...

yes we are not araba and we are proud to be muslims of sub continent with cultural differences from hindus... there is a lot hindus have adopted from us. if we become arabs then what will become of hindus of sub continent then??
 

StarTrooper

MPA (400+ posts)
you are a sanghi commando with very low IQ.
cultures keep evolve with time. it was once hindu culture then came muslims and unlike what Australians did to Aboriginals by destorying their culture and imposing white culture we did not destroy culture of the land and adopted and made our own changes for us.
We even created whole new language called Urdu...

yes we are not araba and we are proud to be muslims of sub continent with cultural differences from hindus... there is a lot hindus have adopted from us. if we become arabs then what will become of hindus of sub continent then??

I think you have not read the post. Majorty claiming to be Arab and it is not a long time just 1300 years. For your kind information till the end of Mugal empire Persian was the court language not Urdu. Urdu is just a Hindi written in Arabo Persian script. Todays Hindi/Urdu written in Latin script as we use in our mobiles with full of English vocab can be called Moblang What a creation under Anglo Sexans
 

Yetti

MPA (400+ posts)
Arabs, Indians, Africans... there is nothing to be proud on the racism. Son and wife of Hazrat Noah was a non believer so he will not get any mercy on the basis of his father and there are many other examples like this. So it does not matter if our forefathers are Arabs or Hindus or whatever. What matters is who are you and what are you. So try to concentrate on yourself to become a good human rather than telling these useless stories.
 

Sohail Shuja

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I think you have not read the post. Majorty claiming to be Arab and it is not a long time just 1300 years. For your kind information till the end of Mugal empire Persian was the court language not Urdu. Urdu is just a Hindi written in Arabo Persian script. Todays Hindi/Urdu written in Latin script as we use in our mobiles with full of English vocab can be called Moblang What a creation under Anglo Sexans
Well, do you thing Arabs are a pure race? if we go by your logic, then Arabs should also revert back to their own originals. In that way, we will all end up being one culture of basic humanity.

However, evolution, even in terms of culture had been an ubiquitous phenomenon all over the world, all across the timeline of existence of human life on the planet.

Moreover, Urdu is a language which derives its name from Turkish. Much of Urdu contains Persian and Arabic as well. Sanskrit, to some extent has its own influence. But, I have seen one good thing if you know Urdu, rather than Arabic and it is that you can somewhat become conversant with people from one end of India, to the other end spanning up to Turkey and down to Arabic peninsula.

So, as from the utility point of view, Urdu is more befitting than Arabic or Persian.
 

Sonya Khan

Minister (2k+ posts)
We are Pakistanis ....... The sooner endians and endians in disguise realize this the better .....
Gone are the days miscreants and endians in disguise can sow seeds of divide .....
 

StarTrooper

MPA (400+ posts)
We are Pakistanis ....... The sooner endians and endians in disguise realize this the better .....
Gone are the days miscreants and endians in disguise can sow seeds of divide .....

I am dreaming of joining Pakistanis to wider Muslim Arab world from Casablanca to Gilgit. One race one language one culture & one religion. You still have issues with it lol
 

StarTrooper

MPA (400+ posts)
Well, do you thing Arabs are a pure race? if we go by your logic, then Arabs should also revert back to their own originals. In that way, we will all end up being one culture of basic humanity.

However, evolution, even in terms of culture had been an ubiquitous phenomenon all over the world, all across the timeline of existence of human life on the planet.

Moreover, Urdu is a language which derives its name from Turkish. Much of Urdu contains Persian and Arabic as well. Sanskrit, to some extent has its own influence. But, I have seen one good thing if you know Urdu, rather than Arabic and it is that you can somewhat become conversant with people from one end of India, to the other end spanning up to Turkey and down to Arabic peninsula.

So, as from the utility point of view, Urdu is more befitting than Arabic or Persian.

No you cannot, Urdu was earlier called Hindvi/ Hindi/ Khari Boli/ Rekhta only later on some called it Urdu. Adopting Urdu name changes nothing. Urdu grammar & base is Sansikrat. Urdu is Indo Aryan not Semitic nor Iranian nor Turkic. It is Arabic which is a source of common words in Urdu, Persian and Turkish. English is more understood in the region you outlined than any other language even beyond that
 

aqibarain

Minister (2k+ posts)
I think you have not read the post. Majorty claiming to be Arab and it is not a long time just 1300 years. For your kind information till the end of Mugal empire Persian was the court language not Urdu. Urdu is just a Hindi written in Arabo Persian script. Todays Hindi/Urdu written in Latin script as we use in our mobiles with full of English vocab can be called Moblang What a creation under Anglo Sexans
in short. cultures collide create new culture. Yes we are here. Yes we will stay here and speak Urdu language and we will also stay as muslim.

if you have problem then write it on piece of paper and shove it up inside your butttt hole... that will answer many of your questions.

shoving things in your butttt hole, don't make it your hobby.
 

Sohail Shuja

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
No you cannot, Urdu was earlier called Hindvi/ Hindi/ Khari Boli/ Rekhta only later on some called it Urdu.
These are all the evolutionary phases of Urdu. Just like Arabic had been classified into Proto-Arabic, Old Arabic, Hejazi and then so on and so forth.

Arabic in itself is closely related to Aramaic, Hebrew, Ugaritic and Phoenician. It is, in itself not a pure language indeed. This does not change anything about Urdu and its utilitarian perspective of communication.


Adopting Urdu name changes nothing. Urdu grammar & base is Sansikrat. Urdu is Indo Aryan not Semitic nor Iranian nor Turkic. It is Arabic which is a source of common words in Urdu, Persian and Turkish. English is more understood in the region you outlined than any other language even beyond that
Persian language origins are traced back to 300-400 BC, whereas the Arabic has only existed for like 10 BC. So, it is debatable that whether Persian has loaned words from Arabic or is it otherwise?

However, language serves the basic purpose of communication. Urdu, being more readily understood by many people around the globe than Arabic, makes it fitter for survival. Since Urdu can entangle you with people speaking Hindi, Punjabi, Persian, Arabic and some Turkic languages as well. So, overall, Urdu remains more dominant in the present world. This is evolution.

But culture is not only language, it is a system of beliefs, values and morals, including folkways and mores. So, in that area, we are still muslims, have similar values and belief system, as an Arab speaking muslim has. On the contrary, I have known many Arabs who are not muslims.
 

jee_nee_us

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
One of the most useless post with idiotic conclusion. People of punjab created sikh religion? People of punjab created ahmadi religion? I woud throw a rock man.
 

1234567

Minister (2k+ posts)
Lets see what our traditions say

Baloch claim to be descendants of Ameer Hamza, uncle of the prophet Muhammad, who settled in Halab (present-day Aleppo). After the fight against second Umayyad Caliph Yazid I at Karbala (in which Ameer Hamza's descendants supported and fought alongside Husayn ibn Ali) in 680, descendants of Ameer Hamza migrated to east or southeast of the central Caspian region, specially toward Sistan,[16] Iran, remaining there for nearly 500 years until they fled to the Makran

Pathans The study shows that Qais Abdul Rashid the progenitor of the Pathans was from Israeli race. The major Pathan tribes attributed to his descendants are offsprings of the Gharghashti, Betani and Sarwanai of the Sami race. It also makes it clear that the descendants and tribes belonging to the people of Matta are patched in Pathan and are the descendants of Sayyid Shah Hussein (Sayed Ali Sarmast), renowned as Shah Hussein Ghouri. These are Arab-race and attributed to the sixth Imam of the Shiites, i.e. Imam Ja'far Sadiq (AS). Thus, the two great and famous clans of Ghaljai and Ludi in Mati Tribe, and their subcategories, such as Hotak, Kharoti, Tukhi, Taraki, Ahmadzai, Ibrahim Khel, Soori, Suleiman Khel, Neyazi, ... are Arabs . Similarly, the people of Wardak and their brothers Honai, Oshtoranai and Mashwanai are Arab-race Pathans from the descendants of Sayyed Mohammad Gisodaraz.

Syeds all over Pakistan are descendents of Hazrat Ali and are ethnic Arabs as well as Qureshis

Arians
of Punjab and Sindh are desendents of the soldiers of Muhammad Bin Qasim an Arab race

Turko Mongols Mugals, Chugtais, Barlas, Kazalbashs etc all over Pakistan are Turkic people

If we combine all of them they make up more than 50% population of Pakistan . Our proud ancestors invaded & settled this Hindu land claimed it in the name of Islam and also spread the message of Islam to local Indian subjects like Jats, Rajputs, Gujars, lohars, Telis etc who make up rest of the population of Pakistan. Indeed majorty of Pakistanis are Arab Semetic race

Unfortunatly due to the adoption of Persian language of fire worshipers by Turko Mongol elites of Islamic empires of India gave way to Iranian Majosi languages to spread. Arab Semtic Balochs and Pathans ended up adopting Iranian Majosi languages later these Majosi languages renamed as Balochi & Pushto. Indeed the real mother language of proud Balochs & Pathans is Arabic

Due to Hindus & Indian influence Arab Syeds, Qureshi & Arians ended up adopting Hindu Indian languages like Sindhi ,Punjabi & Urdu. Majority of Sindis and Muhajirs are not Indians ethnically only linguistically . Indeed Arabic is a real mother language of majority of Muhajirs & Sindhis.

Punjab is the only province of Pakistan where non Arab Semtic race of Indians is in majority and it is not a hidden truth that Punjabis are the ones on the fore front in spreading & imposing Indian culture & Indian language Urdu in the name of nationalism to all over Pakistan and has been succesful in turning Pakistan culturally & linguistically as little India.

Never to forget it were the people of Punjab who created Sikh religion to counter the spread of Islam such a thing never happened anywhere in areas under Muslim control nor in Arabia nor in Persia nor in Turkistan and Africa. Never to forget Ahmdiya movement is another attempt by some people of Punjab to erode Islam within and turn Indian Urdu language into scared one along Arabic and Punjab into a holy land along Hijaz . Unfortunatly this movement has also spread all over world & growing day by day. Such a thing with such a force also never happened anywhere else in the lands under Muslim control

It is a time for Muslims of Pakistan to revert back to true Islamic culture of our ancestors .As the majority more than 50% Pakistanis are Semetic or Arabs . Arabic should be the national language of Pakistan and Arabic culture should be promoted to connect us to our true roots. As majority of us are desendants of Arabs, we should also join Arab league?
Do you even know the history of Sikhism, the source of their religious book, what is written in Gormokhi? Ahmdiya Movement was not started by Punjabies but some people living in Pakistan or Sub Continent, Urdu is the amalgamation of different languages. We living in Pakistan are Pakistani whichever the religion and creed we belong, whichever language we speak and whatever religion we have.
 

Diabetes

MPA (400+ posts)
No koi research, na koi proof, aise hi bongia mari hui hein. Pehle tu apna DNA kerwa or check ker tere under kon konsi si race ka khoon hai, phir DNA ki parchi le ker arbion ki minnatein kerna ke mein tumhara khoon hoon, mujhay apne pass rakh lo. Jao ja ker apne ancesstors ki qabron per ja ker majaweri karo....
 

Diabetes

MPA (400+ posts)
You should not judge people on who their ancestors are, rather if you feel you dont belong here because your ancestors were Arabs, just go there and live there where you belong. And practice Islam very well by yourself and dont tell people where they have to revert back, they know it by themselves. They do not need you as advisor, they already have enough advisors in their lives.
 

Sonya Khan

Minister (2k+ posts)
I am dreaming of joining Pakistanis to wider Muslim Arab world from Casablanca to Gilgit. One race one language one culture & one religion. You still have issues with it lol
Yes as we are Pakistanis...... with separate language , developing culture and refined history ...... We separated ourselves from endia for a reason .... that was our own seperate identity.....