Possible Governor Rule in Sindh? will you support it or not? and why

morpheus

Voter (50+ posts)
please elaborate your answer if it will be a good decision by IK or not?

as for myself I think it will be counter productive. while i believe all the cases of Zardari and PPP leadership should go for speedy trials and they should be convicted and sent to jail. but PTI and its sindh branch and allies are not ready and do not have the capacity at the moment to handle the pressure of a Gov Rule so it will be counter productive.

IK has his plate full with centre, kp, punjab and balochistan and there are already capacity issues so in my view they should hold horses for now. maybe after 2/3 years when economy is relatively stable and chors are in jail, then go for the kill. in the mean while, build your team for Sindh
 
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imisa2

Senator (1k+ posts)
Improving Economic condition must be our first priority. Imposing governor rule in Sindh and going after the corrupts blindly will create economic and political instabilities which will further worsen the economic condition. So for me, there is no need to impose governor rule in Sindh. If PTI government fails to improve the economic condition of Pakistan and set forth a clear five year agenda and policy in health, education, industry, and agriculture they will be kicked in the ass after six months to one year
 

abdlsy

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I was born and raised in karachi and relatives in hyderabad sukkur nawabshah thataa etc.

I support governors rule.

The most difficult province for cleanup of corruption was kpk and fata if that was fixed and punjab balochistan in process. Sindh has to be dealt with and make lives of poor sindhis much better inshallah.

I know sindhi and mohajirs their 90% population are literary begging for help from center.

Mohajirs in karachi thx to rangers police raheel shareef we are finally relieved of shaitans from our heads after 25 yrs. its sukoon here in naya pakistan.

Baecharae aaam sindhi 90% ghureeb clueless people under slavery system, zero plans given to develop and improve sindh or if funds alloted stolen.

Nayaa pakistan cannot be complete without fixing sindh in a quick way is governors rule with the help of police n army rangers.


Enough is enough sindhis are suffering as just 10% rich budmash haramkhore wadaeraes rule them treat them like dogs and crush their rights.

To make a major change sindh needs immediate governor rule to bring prosperity for human kind in sindh, help poor sindhi farmers its our duty as musalmans.

Ofcourse u need elite ranger police units to do a cleanup

as being done in fata balochistan punjab karachi etc. sindh cannot be neglected having karachi and productive agriculture land dureeyae sindh area build roads and fix water crisis all can be done in matter of few years guranteed.



Ubhee nahee toe kubb???
 

morpheus

Voter (50+ posts)
I was born and raised in karachi and relatives in hyderabad sukkur nawabshah thataa etc.

I support governors rule.

The most difficult province for cleanup of corruption was kpk and fata if that was fixed and punjab balochistan in process. Sindh has to be dealt with and make lives of poor sindhis much better inshallah.

I know sindhi and mohajirs their 90% population are literary begging for help from center.

Mohajirs in karachi thx to rangers police raheel shareef we are finally relieved of shaitans from our heads after 25 yrs. its sukoon here in naya pakistan.

Baecharae aaam sindhi 90% ghureeb clueless people under slavery system, zero plans given to develop and improve sindh or if funds alloted stolen.

Nayaa pakistan cannot be complete without fixing sindh in a quick way is governors rule with the help of police n army rangers.

Enough is enough sindhis are suffering as just 10% rich budmash haramkhore wadaeraes rule them treat them like dogs and crush their rights.

To make a major change sindh needs immediate governor rule to bring prosperity for human kind in sindh, help poor sindhi farmers its our duty as musalmans.

Ofcourse u need elite ranger police units to do a cleanup

as being done in fata balochistan punjab karachi etc. sindh cannot be neglected having karachi and productive agriculture land dureeyae sindh area build roads and fix water crisis all can be done in matter of few years guranteed.



Ubhee nahee toe kubb???
In KP , pti had majority and were public representatives and as a party they had strong presence on ground. That is necessary to bring change. This is what pti lacks in Sindh and Karachi at the moment. Without that it will be a major risk
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
Well technically Governor rule MUST be implemented

Under Article 234 of the Constitution, the president of Pakistan may impose governor’s rule in a province if he is satisfied with his analysis that the provincial government had failed to function smoothly.

And we all know the provincial government is corrupt to the core and not only failed but failed miserably.

But for the sake of keeping the mouth of the detractors shut, it should be be avoided for now.
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
please elaborate your answer if it will be a good decision by IK or not?

as for myself I think it will be counter productive. while i believe all the cases of Zardari and PPP leadership should go for speedy trials and they should be convicted and sent to jail. but PTI and its sindh branch and allies are not ready and do not have the capacity at the moment to handle the pressure of a Gov Rule so it will be counter productive.

IK has his plate full with centre, kp, punjab and balochistan and there are already capacity issues so in my view they should hold horses for now. maybe after 2/3 years when economy is relatively stable and chors are in jail, then go for the kill. in the mean while, build your team for Sindh
Absolutely YES. Do anything to get rid of thugs like Zardari, the CM and company
 

Tony Tony

MPA (400+ posts)
In that case we must give People of Sind and Baluchistan an option to decide if they want to live within the federation or would like a free country free of Punjab's dominance.. JUST LIKE WHAT WE DEMAND FOR INDIAN OCCUPIED KASHMIR. Fair deal???? (A Punjabi PCO THUG, A Punjabi Surrender Specialist Army Chief and a Punjabi Selected Zani PM are deciding the fate of smaller provinces???) Will it be dicided here or on the Ground?? :)
 

insouciant

Minister (2k+ posts)
Improving Economic condition must be our first priority. Imposing governor rule in Sindh and going after the corrupts blindly will create economic and political instabilities which will further worsen the economic condition. So for me, there is no need to impose governor rule in Sindh. If PTI government fails to improve the economic condition of Pakistan and set forth a clear five year agenda and policy in health, education, industry, and agriculture they will be kicked in the ass after six months to one year

Agree. But how do you see it improving the economy when 70% of the economy is generated in Sindh that it has no control over and can't do much to reform tax collection and ease of business there.

After 18th amendment, health & education is under Provincial government. How can PTI improve it in Sindh. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

insouciant

Minister (2k+ posts)
In that case we must give People of Sind and Baluchistan an option to decide if they want to live within the federation or would like a free country free of Punjab's dominance.. JUST LIKE WHAT WE DEMAND FOR INDIAN OCCUPIED KASHMIR. Fair deal???? (A Punjabi PCO THUG, A Punjabi Surrender Specialist Army Chief and a Punjabi Selected Zani PM are deciding the fate of smaller provinces???) Will it be dicided here or on the Ground?? :)

What you've just said is even more illogical than saying that you are a married bachelor or a circle with four corners. Are Sindh and Balochistan a disputed territory with UN resolutions on it? :LOL::LOL: Is this how Federation works? As per your logic, there should be then 51 freedom movements going on in the US, 28 in India, and so on... Propoganda k liye bhi thori si aqal ki zarooratoti hai yaar!! :poop::poop::poop:
 
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Saboo

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
We do have to take back Sindh from PPP looters by hook or crook if we want to see some progress there.
 
please elaborate your answer if it will be a good decision by IK or not?

as for myself I think it will be counter productive. while i believe all the cases of Zardari and PPP leadership should go for speedy trials and they should be convicted and sent to jail. but PTI and its sindh branch and allies are not ready and do not have the capacity at the moment to handle the pressure of a Gov Rule so it will be counter productive.

IK has his plate full with centre, kp, punjab and balochistan and there are already capacity issues so in my view they should hold horses for now. maybe after 2/3 years when economy is relatively stable and chors are in jail, then go for the kill. in the mean while, build your team for Sindh


Get a better governor before its done.
 

Eyeaan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
No. At least not until zardari family and 7-8 members. whose names are in JIT. are disqualified by court.
Afterwards, PTI can try to bring in-house change. That is the safest route - if not the only viable option.

Talk of Governor's Rule is pre-mature until PTI has majority in Senate : that would be later in 2019.

In the meanwhile,
a) IK may go inside Sindh and directly address the people and groups, highlighting the corruption of Zardaris in district/divisional centers and build a case on the ground.
b) Start a public campaign in Interior Sindh to build up a future coalition with local groups, setup party organization and pressurize PPP in its territory. No more coalition with GDA - rather invite people to join PTI - Ayaz Palejo type leaders who have some presence on in the whole province are good for the party expansion.
c) Fed may announce a financial package targeting Sindhi poor - a program which has access to the rural area.
d) Immediately change the name of BISP and begin investigation in this program
e) For karachi local administration, PTI may take an aggressive stand by Governor's ordinance - to reform police structure and for financial matters.
f) PTI needs some presence in local bodies election in next year. That's the forum where PPP has to be challenged. PPP will resist reforming LB but bring in courts to assure minimal reforms.

Governor's rule without support of local groups is risky. There is no shortcut to the situation inside Interior Sindh - a minimal party structure is must.
However this is the last government of PPP in sindh - that's the writing is on the wall. Party is over.
 

abdlsy

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
In KP , pti had majority and were public representatives and as a party they had strong presence on ground. That is necessary to bring change. This is what pti lacks in Sindh and Karachi at the moment. Without that it will be a major risk
Thats why the thread starter asking if governor rule will be better, sindh assembly will be dissolved then all funds allotment new laws etc will be directed from center via governor. That will impact to create a new sindh and liberate poor sindhis from slavery and better facilities provided by the governor rule.
 

hamidk

Senator (1k+ posts)
No. At least not until zardari family and 7-8 members. whose names are in JIT. are disqualified by court.
Afterwards, PTI can try to bring in-house change. That is the safest route - if not the only viable option.


Talk of Governor's Rule is pre-mature until PTI has majority in Senate : that would be later in 2019.

In the meanwhile,
a) IK may go inside Sindh and directly address the people and groups, highlighting the corruption of Zardaris in district/divisional centers and build a case on the ground.
b) Start a public campaign in Interior Sindh to build up a future coalition with local groups, setup party organization and pressurize PPP in its territory. No more coalition with GDA - rather invite people to join PTI - Ayaz Palejo type leaders who have some presence on in the whole province are good for the party expansion.
c) Fed may announce a financial package targeting Sindhi poor - a program which has access to the rural area.
d) Immediately change the name of BISP and begin investigation in this program
e) For karachi local administration, PTI may take an aggressive stand by Governor's ordinance - to reform police structure and for financial matters.
f) PTI needs some presence in local bodies election in next year. That's the forum where PPP has to be challenged. PPP will resist reforming LB but bring in courts to assure minimal reforms.


Governor's rule without support of local groups is risky. There is no shortcut to the situation inside Interior Sindh - a minimal party structure is must.
However this is the last government of PPP in sindh - that's the writing is on the wall. Party is over.
I agree with you, Also the better option would be to invest in bringing some PPP members on to ourside and go for inhouse change as happent in baluchistan last year.
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
In that case we must give People of Sind and Baluchistan an option to decide if they want to live within the federation or would like a free country free of Punjab's dominance.. JUST LIKE WHAT WE DEMAND FOR INDIAN OCCUPIED KASHMIR. Fair deal???? (A Punjabi PCO THUG, A Punjabi Surrender Specialist Army Chief and a Punjabi Selected Zani PM are deciding the fate of smaller provinces???) Will it be dicided here or on the Ground?? :)
hahahaa all I can reply is Khalistan Zindabad. Khalistan will be a reality by 2022