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RajaRawal111

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I will not agree because you have absolutely failed to prove responsibility. Your only argument is that its your point of view. Your point of view doesn't mean shit or carry any weight.





No
Leave that as an un-resolved issue between us . I am okay.

I want to move ahead to the blame that JIT put in its report. I asked if this is only or you think there is more. (or lesser).
Quote from this Judgment only.
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
Okay Why not -- and what is the real figure Presented to the Arbitration court before the decision? --- I Repeat BEFORE THE DECISION
Quote the other figure from the document.
This is a figure presented by Broadsheet which did investigations in the early 2000s i.e outdated. Kaveh himself is on record saying he can uncover much more now if the govt of Pakistan hire him again.
 

RajaRawal111

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
This is a figure presented by Broadsheet which did investigations in the early 2000s i.e outdated. Kaveh himself is on record saying he can uncover much more now if the govt of Pakistan hire him again.

Stop acting like a fool. Obviously broadsheet will stand on some figure at the beginning of case. Where the hell did this figure come from?
Or you tell me something otherwise

Quote:3.3(c)
The total value of assets attributed to him in the evidence before me is US$805.9 million including US$622.2 million in Pakistan, US$54.1 million in Saudi Arabia,US$24.5 million in the UAE and US$105.1 million in the United Kingdom.
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
Stop acting like a fool. Obviously broadsheet will stand on some figure at the beginning of case. Where the hell did this figure come from?
Or you tell me something otherwise

Quote:3.3(c)
The total value of assets attributed to him in the evidence before me is US$805.9 million including US$622.2 million in Pakistan, US$54.1 million in Saudi Arabia,US$24.5 million in the UAE and US$105.1 million in the United Kingdom.
FFS get on with it and get to the damn point already. Digging up such a big mountain which in the end everyone knows will be not even amount to a molehill simply because your lack of comprehension and warped thinking process.
 

RajaRawal111

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
FFS get on with it and get to the damn point already. Digging up such a big mountain which in the end everyone knows will be not even amount to a molehill simply because your lack of comprehension and warped thinking process.
Give me the reply from the document Ass hole.
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
Give me the reply from the document Ass hole.
Abhay oh mian saanp ke darbari jamadar apni ghaitya auqaat mein reh, do din bund pe chittar nahi maaray se to sar pe hi chard gaya harami saala.

Ziyada tur tur na ker aur agay chal, BC ek hafta hogaya hai min min min ker raha hai. jounsa marzi figure set kerna hai kerlay, agay jaa ke teri hi phir bizt honi hai.

Jaldi ker and come to the point!
 

RajaRawal111

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Abhay oh mian saanp ke darbari jamadar apni ghaitya auqaat mein reh, do din bund pe chittar nahi maaray se to sar pe hi chard gaya harami saala.

Ziyada tur tur na ker aur agay chal, BC ek hafta hogaya hai min min min ker raha hai. jounsa marzi figure set kerna hai kerlay, agay jaa ke teri hi phir bizt honi hai.

Jaldi ker and come to the point!
No Worries Ass Hole. I know you have Agenda to stink in the discussion -- you will never come to the point.
I asked you if you don't agree with the figure then bring the one from the decision. But you just have to stink. I am also getting irritant with your stinge and don't want to prolong it. Since you did not bring it on. So the situation is that the figure Emerged from the JIT report and here is another point in the Judgement --- which I am dead sure you have seen it that is why you tried to muck it up

Quote Q5.4
Q5.4 Stroz Friedberg was instructed to carry out a ‘forensic audit’ (or ‘inventory’) of the JIT Report. This consisted of identifying potentially recoverable assets of the Sharif Family that were referred to in it and ascribing a valuation to each. This resulted in a list of 76 items of property in three overseas jurisdictions, namely, Saudi Arabia, the UAE and the United Kingdom, as well as in Pakistan, with total values that were corrected in the Revised SF Report to take account of Mr. Bezant’s comments on it. The revised total was US$820.8 million. The third instruction was “to apply the 20% rate due Broadsheet as outlined in the ARA” – a mechanical application of the 20% rate provided four in the ARA clause 4 – which resulted in a total ‘Loss of Revenue’ for Broadsheet of US$164.2 million. The fourth was to establish a ‘borrowing rate of interest’ for each of the 76 items of loss and to apply it from what they considered was the appropriate date. The interest calculation increased the total of ‘Broadsheet’s Entitlement’ to US$304.6 million.

What kind of fart is coming out of you on this ???

Let us be quick on it. I what you to F off from my head as soon as possible. Give your final one and I will do the final today.
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
No Worries Ass Hole. I know you have Agenda to stink in the discussion -- you will never come to the point.
I asked you if you don't agree with the figure then bring the one from the decision. But you just have to stink. I am also getting irritant with your stinge and don't want to prolong it. Since you did not bring it on. So the situation is that the figure Emerged from the JIT report and here is another point in the Judgement --- which I am dead sure you have seen it that is why you tried to muck it up

Quote Q5.4
Q5.4 Stroz Friedberg was instructed to carry out a ‘forensic audit’ (or ‘inventory’) of the JIT Report. This consisted of identifying potentially recoverable assets of the Sharif Family that were referred to in it and ascribing a valuation to each. This resulted in a list of 76 items of property in three overseas jurisdictions, namely, Saudi Arabia, the UAE and the United Kingdom, as well as in Pakistan, with total values that were corrected in the Revised SF Report to take account of Mr. Bezant’s comments on it. The revised total was US$820.8 million. The third instruction was “to apply the 20% rate due Broadsheet as outlined in the ARA” – a mechanical application of the 20% rate provided four in the ARA clause 4 – which resulted in a total ‘Loss of Revenue’ for Broadsheet of US$164.2 million. The fourth was to establish a ‘borrowing rate of interest’ for each of the 76 items of loss and to apply it from what they considered was the appropriate date. The interest calculation increased the total of ‘Broadsheet’s Entitlement’ to US$304.6 million.

What kind of fart is coming out of you on this ???

Let us be quick on it. I what you to F off from my head as soon as possible. Give your final one and I will do the final today.
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See 100% exactly as I said it was going to be, so much noise and bandar dance over absolute bullshit. SO an audit by a gora company reduced the number by around 50% from around $1.6 billion to $800 million.

So how does that prove Ganju singh did not do corruption even of your new adjusted figure of $800 million (136 billion pkr!!!! no small amount by any means) or what has Imran Khan or the current govt go to do with this?????

Is baat pe 0 sharmindagi hai ke ganju harami ne did corruption of ( for patwari's sake ) 136 billion rupees, lekin is baat pe fakhar hai aur seena thok ke bol raha hai, haan corruption ki hai $1.6 billion ke nahi sirf $800 million ki

Lakh di laanat hai teray pe rajay aur teri daleelon pe
 

RajaRawal111

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
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See 100% exactly as I said it was going to be, so much noise and bandar dance over absolute bullshit. SO an audit by a gora company reduced the number by around 50% from around $1.6 billion to $800 million.

So how does that prove Ganju singh did not do corruption even of your new adjusted figure of $800 million (136 billion pkr!!!! no small amount by any means) or what has Imran Khan or the current govt go to do with this?????

Is baat pe 0 sharmindagi hai ke ganju harami ne did corruption of ( for patwari's sake ) 136 billion rupees, lekin is baat pe fakhar hai aur seena thok ke bol raha hai, haan corruption ki hai $1.6 billion ke nahi sirf $800 million ki

Lakh di laanat hai teray pe rajay aur teri daleelon pe
So asshole you don't have literally anything to say further. And you have resorted to your Usual cunning tactics. We decided that we will stick to the decision and its text only. But you are now jumping to the conclusion.
So I am concluding it now.

Per Quote Q5.4 The JIT report of Wajid Zia the aka "The Bible of NS Corruption". The Nawaz Choor di the Chori of 800 million dollars throughout the period of 30 years and made properties all over the world.
Now this figure is presented to "Stroz Friedberg" to carry out a "forensic audit" (or ‘inventory’) of the JIT Report.
Here is the outcome of this Audit

Let us go on Quote Q5.9(b) which is basically the conclusion of Anthony Aevens and it talks about the respondents conduct as well which is GOP
Copy and pasted in next post.
 

RajaRawal111

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Okay Asshole this is the Quote Q5.9(b)

Q5.9(b)
the SF list does not purport to identify assets currently held by members of the Sharif Family; rather, it lists items of property which have been held by or attributed to them over a period of twenty years, or more. One result of this is that, as Respondents’ expert witnesses have pointed out, the list may include both the funds used to purchase a property asset, and the property asset itself; or the value of shares in a property owning company as well as the property it owns; or the value of a property that has been sold together with the value of other property bought with the proceeds; and more simply, it may include funds which have been dispersed or ‘spent’ whether on the acquisition of other
What it means that JIT has put together
1: Everything Shareefs ever held
2: Added the Value of the property and The Funds used to purchase it
3: When Property A was sold to purchase Property B. They added Value and funds of property B without subtracting the value of property A.

Asshole -- this was the argument of ""respondent which is GOP"" and Kavey Mosavi accepted it. And that is why he settled to 8 times less damages than what he had claimed for --- Based on Wajid Zia's figures.

Now I will give you the last invitation to prove it wrong "from the Judgement text". Then we will conclude it. And let us finish it, please.
 
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Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
Okay Asshole this is the Quote Q5.9(b)

Q5.9(b)
the SF list does not purport to identify assets currently held by members of the Sharif Family; rather, it lists items of property which have been held by or attributed to them over a period of twenty years, or more. One result of this is that, as Respondents’ expert witnesses have pointed out, the list may include both the funds used to purchase a property asset, and the property asset itself; or the value of shares in a property owning company as well as the property it owns; or the value of a property that has been sold together with the value of other property bought with the proceeds; and more simply, it may include funds which have been dispersed or ‘spent’ whether on the acquisition of other
What it means that JIT has put together
1: Everything Shareefs ever held
2: Added the Value of the property and The Funds used to purchase it
3: When Property A was sold to purchase Property B. They added Value and funds of property B without subtracting the value of property A.

Asshole -- this was the argument of ""respondent which is GOP"" and Kavey Mosavi accepted it. And that is why he settled to 8 times less damages than what he had claimed for --- Based on Wajid Zia's figures.

Now I will give you the last invitation to prove it wrong "from the Judgement text". Then we will conclude it. And let us finish it, please.
First of all bosard chod apnay baap se tameez se baath kerna seekh. Phele be thujay kaha tha apni ghaitya auqat mein reh. Dobara ziyada bakwas ki na, laath bund mein deni hai aur mou se nikal leni hai. Samaj mein aai baath harami khotay.
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
Asshole -- this was the argument of ""respondent which is GOP"" and Kavey Mosavi accepted it. And that is why he settled to 8 times less damages than what he had claimed for --- Based on Wajid Zia's figures.
? ????? Yaar qasmay thuje se jahil banda maine zindagi mein nahi dekh, is liye anni deya kaha tha chalti English mein haath matt daal.

Abhay jahil, gawar, ghadday, bewaqoof, bongay, ahmak, aqal se faarigh patwari khotay. $800 million was the total value of assets as determined in this hearing, the liability award to broadsheet is a percentage of that amount not the entire amount.

Where in the hell are you getting this 8 times less bullshit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And how is IK and the current govt implicated in this??????????
 
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RajaRawal111

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
? ????? Yaar qasmay thuje se jahil banda maine zindagi mein nahi dekh, is liye anni deya kaha tha chalti English mein haath matt daal.

Abhay jahil, gawar, ghadday, bewaqoof, bongay, ahmak, aqal se faarigh patwari khotay. $800 million was the total value of assets as determined in this hearing, the liability award to broadsheet is a percentage of that amount not the entire amount.

Where in the hell are you getting this 8 times less bullshit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And how is IK and the current govt implicated in this??????????
کتیا تجھے ٨ گنا کا بھی بتاؤں گا -- تو بتا پہلے اپنی اچھی انگریزی سے
Q5.9(b)
پڑھ کر کیا سمجھا ہے
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
کتیا تجھے ٨ گنا کا بھی بتاؤں گا -- تو بتا پہلے اپنی اچھی انگریزی سے
Q5.9(b)
پڑھ کر کیا سمجھا ہے
Yaar mera kitna waqt barbad kiya hai tuj chawal ne is bewaqoofi ke peechay. chal thuje saada English mein koshish kerta houn, teray pallay to phir bhi kuch nahi parde ga, lekin shayad koi aur is thread ko pard raha ho, us ke liye.

To get the correct picture we have to start from the begining of section 5 and not just read out of context point and make your conclusions

Section 5 = Expert Evidence

5.1 : Introduces the expert witnesses from Broadsheet- Mr Larocca and Mr Markewitz who produced the Expert Report of their firm, Stroz Friedberg the SF Report

5.2 : Introduces the expert witnesses from NAB- Mr. Mark Bezant and Mr. Yaser Dajani

5.3 : Broadsheet witnesses who produced the SF report were only concerned with sharif family and JIT report. NAB side Mr Bezant only discussed the SF report specifically the identification and valuation of relevant assets in the report. Dajani on issues relating to asset recovery, its costs and aspects of broadsheet

5.4 : Stroz Friedberg was instructed to carry out a ‘forensic audit’ (or ‘inventory’) of the JIT Report identify assets and put a value on them. In short they came up with 76 items with a value of $820 million and with various calculation they said Broadsheet should be paid $304 million

5.5 : irrelevant here

5.6 : Bezant disputed the SF figures
1 : He said assets in Pakistan should not be on the list ( judge thinks otherwise)
2: Bezant said SF had double counted 4 items on the list which added extra 41 million
3 : SF failed to consider liabilities on these assets
4: the list of 76 items of property included funds no longer held by, or no longer recoverable from the Sharif Family, affecting up to 69 of the 76 items in the SF list and as much as 98% of the total value.
5: That any recovery made would be of an amount far less than stated value
6: Lastly Bezant said broadsheets award should be only in the range of $0.6 to $2.1 million

5.7 Dajani made arguments that it would not be possible to to have recovery at full value mentioned in the SF report, on why that is, I will not mention here as it is irrelevant to the matter at hand here.

5.8 Dajani further made arguments on on-going costs of broadsheet and what should be that figure.

5.9 : Now Judge makes his remarks

a)Judge agrees with NAB side that it is not possible to make recovery of assets at full value as listed in the report

b)Judge says the SF report does not list current assets held by the Sharif Family but a list of assets they have held over the past 20 years. One result of doing this the Pakistani side says THE SF REPORT may include both the funds used to purchase a property asset, and the property asset itself; or the value of shares in a property owning company as well as the property it owns; or the value of a property that has been sold together with the value of other property bought with the proceeds; and more simply, it may include funds which have been dispersed or ‘spent’ whether on the acquisition of other property or, as was suggested in evidence, in a casino where it may or may not have been recouped by later winnings.

Hun kuj samaj aai dungara? It is NAB's witnesses that are saying that the SF report has listed assets held over a period of 20 years and not what they currently have now and because of this money to buy a property and then that property and then money from the sale of property so on and so forth is being counted more than once and inflating the figure. THIS IS THE SF REPORT NOT THE JIT REPORT.

And the main aim here was for Pakistani side to dismiss broadsheets claim and pay as little as possible or preferably nothing at all, so they will make any and all arguments to get that done.
 

RajaRawal111

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Yaar mera kitna waqt barbad kiya hai tuj chawal ne is bewaqoofi ke peechay. chal thuje saada English mein koshish kerta houn, teray pallay to phir bhi kuch nahi parde ga, lekin shayad koi aur is thread ko pard raha ho, us ke liye.

To get the correct picture we have to start from the begining of section 5 and not just read out of context point and make your conclusions

Section 5 = Expert Evidence

5.1 : Introduces the expert witnesses from Broadsheet- Mr Larocca and Mr Markewitz who produced the Expert Report of their firm, Stroz Friedberg the SF Report

5.2 : Introduces the expert witnesses from NAB- Mr. Mark Bezant and Mr. Yaser Dajani

5.3 : Broadsheet witnesses who produced the SF report were only concerned with sharif family and JIT report. NAB side Mr Bezant only discussed the SF report specifically the identification and valuation of relevant assets in the report. Dajani on issues relating to asset recovery, its costs and aspects of broadsheet

5.4 : Stroz Friedberg was instructed to carry out a ‘forensic audit’ (or ‘inventory’) of the JIT Report identify assets and put a value on them. In short they came up with 76 items with a value of $820 million and with various calculation they said Broadsheet should be paid $304 million

5.5 : irrelevant here

5.6 : Bezant disputed the SF figures
1 : He said assets in Pakistan should not be on the list ( judge thinks otherwise)
2: Bezant said SF had double counted 4 items on the list which added extra 41 million
3 : SF failed to consider liabilities on these assets
4: the list of 76 items of property included funds no longer held by, or no longer recoverable from the Sharif Family, affecting up to 69 of the 76 items in the SF list and as much as 98% of the total value.
5: That any recovery made would be of an amount far less than stated value
6: Lastly Bezant said broadsheets award should be only in the range of $0.6 to $2.1 million

5.7 Dajani made arguments that it would not be possible to to have recovery at full value mentioned in the SF report, on why that is, I will not mention here as it is irrelevant to the matter at hand here.

5.8 Dajani further made arguments on on-going costs of broadsheet and what should be that figure.

5.9 : Now Judge makes his remarks

a)Judge agrees with NAB side that it is not possible to make recovery of assets at full value as listed in the report

b)Judge says the SF report does not list current assets held by the Sharif Family but a list of assets they have held over the past 20 years. One result of doing this the Pakistani side says THE SF REPORT may include both the funds used to purchase a property asset, and the property asset itself; or the value of shares in a property owning company as well as the property it owns; or the value of a property that has been sold together with the value of other property bought with the proceeds; and more simply, it may include funds which have been dispersed or ‘spent’ whether on the acquisition of other property or, as was suggested in evidence, in a casino where it may or may not have been recouped by later winnings.

Hun kuj samaj aai dungara? It is NAB's witnesses that are saying that the SF report has listed assets held over a period of 20 years and not what they currently have now and because of this money to buy a property and then that property and then money from the sale of property so on and so forth is being counted more than once and inflating the figure. THIS IS THE SF REPORT NOT THE JIT REPORT.

And the main aim here was for Pakistani side to dismiss broadsheets claim and pay as little as possible or preferably nothing at all, so they will make any and all arguments to get that done.

Kutya this is what I was saying right from the beginning that NAB and GOP itself took the pants of Wajid Zia down and hung in the air. The SF report was all prepared from the 11 volumes of Wajid Zia, which was to highlight the Shareefs corruption not to plug your ass.

I am glad that you are repeating the same thing. I have highlighted your writing in blue.
Do we have anything else to prove?
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
he SF report was all prepared from the 11 volumes of Wajid Zia,
Dungar singh the SF was just based on the JIT report and they did their own audit on it. The SF report is NOT the JIT report jahil! Why did they waste time, effort and money on coming up with their own report, they could have just used the JIT report and saved themselves a lot of time

Aur chalo for the sake of argument lets say I agree on your stance. Courruption to phir bhi khi hana aur who bhi millions of dollars mein. Yeh sharminda honay wali baat hai yaa fakhar se sar uncha kerne wali baat hai?

And

BIGGEST OF ALL HOW IN THE HELL IS IK AND THE CURRENT GOVT RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS?????????????