Some Questions for PTIians

[wahreh]

Emotional rhetoric aside, some fundamental questions for PTIians, if someone care to think and answer in a logical way. Its easy to sputter obscenities as it does not take much thinking and effort. But in real life its best to consider all possible scenarios, work out all ifs and buts, before embarking on any mission.

So some fundamental questions about Nov 30 are as follows:
1- whats the ultimate objective and goal of Nov 30 expedition?
2- how that objective is going to be achieved?
3- what if projected number of people are not gathered? Where does it go from there?
4- even if projected number of people are gathered, then what?
5- does PTI plan to invade parliament house and PM house? But IK is saying it will be peaceful?
6- even if PTI invade parliament and PM house then what are they going to do after that? Burn them or occupy them?
7- even if PTI burn or occupy parliament and PM house, how the change will come?
8- because its clear that PM is going to resign so whats the plan?
9- if above violence does occur then people's sympathies will turn in govt favor and PTI will loose any moral standing
10- is PTI expecting army to intervene?
11- even if army intervene, they will not hand over govt to PTI
12- so PTI may say that army will hold new elections. But the track record so far indicates that if army comes then they wont leave before 10 years.
13- ok lets assume that army holds new elections within few months, then those elections will be held under same rules and regulations as of last elections. So how things will change for PTI?
14- some might say army will install a govt of technocrats. If so then under which constitution and law? What will be the legitimacy of any actions taken by such technocrat govt. Even military dictators need pseudo elected assemblies to make laws

Its easy to say 'hum sub ki gardaney utar dein gay' but think with a sane mind what are the practical possibilities? What's the next step after Nov 30? I asked similar questions before aug 14 dharna and the only answer i got was we trust that IK will have a plan. Well, as it tuned out IK did not have plan ever for the first night as after a couple of speeches he retreated back to the comforts of bani gala. Did you ask these questions of PTI leadership before committing yourself? If not, then doesnt it make you a blind follower as well?

 

[tariisb]

10- is PTI expecting army to intervene?

:biggthumpup:ابھی تک ، امید یہی ، تاحال سوچ یہی

 

[msaeed89]

go nawaz go..

Ro patwari roo..

 

[famamdani]

Take the Answers from PMLn j Joseph Goebbels

(bigsmile)

Minister for Public Enlightenment and Propaganda (1933 - 1945),Germany

 

[shahbaz tariq]

10- is PTI expecting army to intervene?

:biggthumpup:ابھی تک ، امید یہی ، تاحال سوچ یہی

isi umeed py 4 halqy nhi khuly gye... hai nah... yaqeenan... :)

 

[shahbaz tariq]

10- is PTI expecting army to intervene?

:biggthumpup:ابھی تک ، امید یہی ، تاحال سوچ یہی

isi umeed py stay order py stay order ho rha hai... hai na...

 

[wahreh]

Bhai wo to sub theek hai but still think about those points

go nawaz go..

Ro patwari roo..

 

[cheetah]

@​WAHREH Just answer one question are you satisfied with progress made in the last 30 years in which most of the time PMLN was in power. What they have given us just give names if you are not satisfied then give someone chance rather than sticking with time tested goons and plunderers. Ok if PTI will not perform up to mark then kick them out in exemplary manner. Ever rising inflation, long spells of load shedding and above all violation of our sovereignty in the hands of our so called friends is due to whom. Any way answer it either you are satisfied or not.

 

[NasNY]

Emotional rhetoric aside, some fundamental questions for PTIians, if someone care to think and answer in a logical way. Its easy to sputter obscenities as it does not take much thinking and effort. But in real life its best to consider all possible scenarios, work out all ifs and buts, before embarking on any mission.

So some fundamental questions about Nov 30 are as follows:
1- whats the ultimate objective and goal of Nov 30 expedition?
The objective and goal of the Nov 30th Awakening is simple, is to expose the corrupt government.

2- how that objective is going to be achieved?
It doesn't have a mandate by the power of the people. They Cheated by stealing the Government and Article 6 of usurping the Govt. must be applied to Nawaz Sharif and all his cronies, By Power of the LAW

3- what if projected number of people are not gathered? Where does it go from there?
Projected people will gather, it will empower everyone all over Pakistan even if they don't make it to the Dharna. For every one person at the Dharna there will be 100 at home who will support Imran Khan. Govt. will still say 2000 people showed up.

4- even if projected number of people are gathered, then what?
It will prove a point that the Govt. has no mandate to govern, and must resign.

5- does PTI plan to invade parliament house and PM house? But IK is saying it will be peaceful?
Peaceful means Peaceful i know it is difficult for PMLN supporters to comprehend the word, Peaceful means peaceful, but it does not mean helpless, it does not mean brutality and cruelty will not be challenged. PMLN is so rattled to the bone, because 'DIL MAI CHOR HAI' this anxiety is not making them think straight and they will make mistakes as they have been making from the beginning.

6- even if PTI invade parliament and PM house then what are they going to do after that? Burn them or occupy them?
What part of peaceful do you not understand. Parliament , PM house and all other buildings belong to the people of Pakistan , it does not belong to the Politicians, all of Pakistan will see power returned back to the people from these leaches.

7- even if PTI burn or occupy parliament and PM house, how the change will come?
What part of Peaceful do you not understand, Parliament , PM house and all other buildings belong to the people of Pakistan , it does not belong to the Politicians, all of Pakistan will see power returned back to the people form these leaches. (repetitive question therefore repetitive answer)

8- because its clear that PM is going to resign so whats the plan?
If PM resigns (we know he will never because he will be hanged if he does) ECP reorganized and given full authority as independent institution without any interference of government. Independent NAB free from any government interference. Investigation of election fraud, punishment of all who committed and benefited from it, NAB financial accountability of everyone assets completed before next election, anyone who delays accountability cannot run for elections. Tax paid on all assets declared and all assets confiscated if not declared. (Do you think Nawaz sharif and Ishaq dar and their Corruption Inc. will survive this) all must be taken care of in 1 year, Then elections held with electronic machines, video cameras and all the goodies and ideas everyone can think up.

9- if above violence does occur then people's sympathies will turn in Govt. favour and PTI will loose any moral standing
If government starts the violence all of Pakistan will explode and the Govt. will wish that people return back to saying go nawaz go.

10- is PTI expecting army to intervene?
Absolutely not, PMLN obsession and anxiety with establishment is unprecedented, it seems like Nawaz sharif mother use to say "noora soo jaou werna establishment a jai gee"

11- even if army intervene, they will not hand over govt to PTI
PTI does not want government from anyone except from the votes of the public. PMLN can't comprehend that PTI is fighting for the rights of the citizens not for power. PMLN only fights for power and money, that's the only 2 words in their dictionary. They don't understand what is going on, they don't know what is the meaning of rights of the people.

12- so PTI may say that army will hold new elections. But the track record so far indicates that if army comes then they wont leave before 10 years.
Don't want army, if army comes PTI will start a Dharna against ARMY, why cant you understand its about rights of citizens and breaking the shackles of mental slavery that these powers have put you under.

13- ok lets assume that army holds new elections within few months, then those elections will be held under same rules and regulations as of last elections. So how things will change for PTI?
I answered it above, but to summarize, 1. Resign 2. Rebuild ECP 3. Empower Independent NAB 4. Punishment 5. elections.

14- some might say army will install a Govt. of technocrats. If so then under which constitution and law? What will be the legitimacy of any actions taken by such technocrat Govt.. Even military dictators need pseudo elected assemblies to make laws
GET over your obsession with army, there is absolutely no way army will intervene its all in the mind of PMLN.

Its easy to say 'hum sub ki gardaney utar dein gay' but think with a sane mind what are the practical possibilities? What's the next step after Nov 30? I asked similar questions before aug 14 dharna and the only answer i got was we trust that IK will have a plan. Well, as it tuned out IK did not have plan ever for the first night as after a couple of speeches he retreated back to the comforts of bani gala. Did you ask these questions of PTI leadership before committing yourself? If not, then doesn't it make you a blind follower as well?

We are not blind follower, its so simple as long as Imran Khan stands up for the right so Pakistani citizens we are with him, once he stop his support will disappear and then brutal revolution will start which Imran Khan is holding back all alone by himself, If Imran Khan fails, bloody revolution will start and ARMY will have no choice but to take over.

Q : My only question how can you blindly defend the Corruption and blatant rape of rights, disregard of laws, of the citizens of Pakistan by Nawaz Sharif , Zardari, all the selfish politicians. (other than your fear and paranoid obsession of army)

Ignore any grammatical errors

and i encourage ShalwarGujjar and Gujjarhindustani to diskike the post , it gives me a warm feeling of 'sookoon' when i get a dislike.

 

[Pak1stani]

Then congratulation and be happy with Noora and Zardari :lol: and 60 year old policies due to which Pakistan is in current state.

 

[tariisb]

isi umeed py 4 halqy nhi khuly gye... hai nah... yaqeenan... :)

isi umeed py stay order py stay order ho rha hai... hai na...

اسی امید پر ، حلق پھاڑ پھاڑ کر حلقے نہیں استعفی مانگا جا رہا ہے
اسی امید پر ، سٹے آرڈر عدالت دیتی ہے ، اور سائل کا حق بھی ہوتا ہے ،
آپ سب ابھی تک ، آسرے پر ہیں ، ابھی تک اسی امید پر ہیں ، فوج بلاخر مداخلت کرے

 

[Talwar Gujjar]

InshAllah 30 November ko kuch nahein honay ka. Dau char hazaar k jalsi hogi, Bonga Khan apnay mashoor jhoot repeat karay g, aur loat k bhuddu ghar ko jaein g.

 

[wahreh]

My friend, you are right about what u said but the purpose of this thread is to figure out how PTI is going to achieve what the want on nov 30

@​WAHREH Just answer one question are you satisfied with progress made in the last 30 years in which most of the time PMLN was in power. What they have given us just give names if you are not satisfied then give someone chance rather than sticking with time tested goons and plunderers. Ok if PTI will not perform up to mark then kick them out in exemplary manner. Ever rising inflation, long spells of load shedding and above all violation of our sovereignty in the hands of our so called friends is due to whom. Any way answer it either you are satisfied or not.

 

[wahreh]

My friend, dont be sarcastic. The objective is to understand HOW pti thinks that situation will change on or after nov 30? What process, what mechanism, what strategy, what is expected on nov 30?

Then congratulation and be happy with Noora and Zardari :lol: and 60 year old policies due to which Pakistan is in current state.

 

[shahbaz tariq]

1- whats the ultimate objective and goal of Nov 30 expedition?

or zyada onchi awaz mien awaz pounchana... ta ky gungy behry sun sakien..

2- how that objective is going to be achieved?

yaqeenan awaz buland kar ky...


3- what if projected number of people are not gathered? Where does it go from there?

ham ny message pounchana hai so yhi karty rhien gy... agr nah suna gya to...


4- even if projected number of people are gathered, then what?

message achy tariqy sy pounch jaye ga... or kya..

5- does PTI plan to invade parliament house and PM house? But IK is saying it will be peaceful?

agr peace ky sath rhy to peace ky sath rhien gy...

6- even if PTI invade parliament and PM house then what are they going to do after that? Burn them or occupy them?

kya PTI ky lugoun ko golian mari jaye geen... acha to PTI kya kary.. khati rhy..???

7- even if PTI burn or occupy parliament and PM house, how the change will come?

honi ho ky rhy gy.. jo hua nhi us py kya kehna..

8- because its clear that PM is going to resign so whats the plan?

wohi ky PTI kya kary gy?? or wohi jawab ky PTI kya kary gi..

9- if above violence does occur then people's sympathies will turn in govt favor and PTI will loose any moral standing

or agr had Govt. ny par kar di to..

10- is PTI expecting army to intervene?

NS ko pakar ly gi.. ZAB ki trh koi case chally ga.. or NS ko phansi ho jaye gi... phir zinda hai nooro zinda hai ky nary lagien gy... yhi soochty rehna har waqt..

11- even if army intervene, they will not hand over govt to PTI

2ono batien app ki dilli hawaish hain.. kya keh sakty hain is py..

12- so PTI may say that army will hold new elections. But the track record so far indicates that if army comes then they wont leave before 10 years.

haye yeh app ka dar...

13- ok lets assume that army holds new elections within few months, then those elections will be held under same rules and regulations as of last elections. So how things will change for PTI?

app ny apni Mumkinat bhut zyada nhi kar li...

14- some might say army will install a govt of technocrats. If so then under which constitution and law? What will be the legitimacy of any actions taken by such technocrat govt. Even military dictators need pseudo elected assemblies to make laws

haaye yeh army ky gham...





4 halqy to app khol nhi sakky or barkien app lambi lambi maar rhy hain.. wah wah...

 

[shahbaz tariq]

اسی امید پر ، حلق پھاڑ پھاڑ کر حلقے نہیں استعفی مانگا جا رہا ہے
اسی امید پر ، سٹے آرڈر عدالت دیتی ہے ، اور سائل کا حق بھی ہوتا ہے ،
آپ سب ابھی تک ، آسرے پر ہیں ، ابھی تک اسی امید پر ہیں ، فوج بلاخر مداخلت کرے

Insaf ka bi to HAQ hota hai nah.... stay order ahr kab tak...

 

[cheetah]

Dear they are fighting against very heavy odds to get rid of mafia of plunderers if you can't support them then at least don't create hurdles. You know almost all the political parties are united minus PTI why, because basically they are same differs only in modusoperandi opera di but same objective of plunder. If someone is showing ray of hope then help him if later on PTI is not going to fulfill their promises we will kick them out and will bring someone else but these time tested plunderers no way.

My friend, you are right about what u said but the purpose of this thread is to figure out how PTI is going to achieve what the want on nov 30

 

[tariisb]

Insaf ka bi to HAQ hota hai nah.... stay order ahr kab tak...

:)آخر کب تک ؟ بس جب آخر آنا ہے ، سب واضح ہوجانا ہے ، امید رکھیں

 

[arafay]

1- whats the ultimate objective and goal of Nov 30 expedition?
to pressurize the govt to investigate the historic rigging in 2013 elections or risk being thrown out


2- how that objective is going to be achieved?
by getting over 100k people to paralyze the government until the investigate the rigging.


3- what if projected number of people are not gathered? Where does it go from there?
try again.


4- even if projected number of people are gathered, then what?
paralyze the government


5- does PTI plan to invade parliament house and PM house? But IK is saying it will be peaceful?
probably not. both buildings server no purpose at all in the life of the public or even the govt. most decisions of nawaz mafia take place outside the parliament and inside the home of nawaz mafia. the current govt comprises of 2 brothers, 1 brother in law and 2 sons.


6- even if PTI invade parliament and PM house then what are they going to do after that? Burn them or occupy them?
see answer to 5


7- even if PTI burn or occupy parliament and PM house, how the change will come?
redundant question again. see answer to 5.


8- because its clear that PM is going to resign so whats the plan?
force him to investigate the rigging in 2013 elections by paralyzing the govt.


9- if above violence does occur then people's sympathies will turn in govt favor and PTI will loose any moral standing
that's a hypothetical question. right now go nawaz go is the most popular slogan


10- is PTI expecting army to intervene?
i am not expecting the army to intervene. both saudis and usa are backing nawaz mafia so army cant intervene without approval of usa and saudia. maybe shareef has held some meetings with white house about this issue on his usa tour but i dont see that happening.


11- even if army intervene, they will not hand over govt to PTI
no way. they will probably form a national govt or some technocrat setup that looks after the economy while army deals with foriegn and domestic issues. actually this is what is happening right now. nawaz mafia has already conceded foreign policy (usa and afghanistan) and internal affairs (zarb-e-azb) to army


12- so PTI may say that army will hold new elections. But the track record so far indicates that if army comes then they wont leave before 10 years.
this is possible but unlikely because we are in the middle of a big operation. so army cannot run day to day govt affairs for the next 3-6 months.


13- ok lets assume that army holds new elections within few months, then those elections will be held under same rules and regulations as of last elections. So how things will change for PTI?
pti will sweep across KPK and all major cities in punjab and karachi. However, illiterate, semi literate and corrupt people will vote for mqm, ppp and pmln etc. pti will take simple majority in the center, simple majority in kpk and coalition govt in punjab.

14- some might say army will install a govt of technocrats. If so then under which constitution and law? What will be the legitimacy of any actions taken by such technocrat govt. Even military dictators need pseudo elected assemblies to make laws
that's a hypothetical question - way too many ifs and buts.

 

[wahreh]

I am not questioning the objectives of PTI, my question is HOW is that going to be achieved on nov 30?

Dear they are fighting against very heavy odds to get rid of mafia of plunderers if you can't support them then at least don't create hurdles. You know almost all the political parties are united minus PTI why, because basically they are same differs only in modusoperandi opera di but same objective of plunder. If someone is showing ray of hope then help him if later on PTI is not going to fulfill their promises we will kick them out and will bring someone else but these time tested plunderers no way.