This is just the Beginning!!

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Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
I heard Ali Wazir talking mostly against our Army on the floor of National Assembly & coalition members were praising him with thumping desks . Previously, Ali Wazir was straight away replied by either Shehryar Afridi, Ali Muhammad Khan, Murad Saeed or others. Today, we missed you all PTI members who still stand with Imran Khan.

Since yesterday Mohsin Dawar & Ali Wazir were propagating Afghan agenda. Claiming Pakistan has bombarded Afghan Villages in Afghanistan. I felt like they are not Pakistani member of parliament but Afghanistan’s.

Let the time come when they get more frequently malign our Pakistan Army on the floor of the National Assembly.

This is just the beginning. A lot more to come to deal with not just from Ali Wazir but from Akhtar Mangal, Ayaz Latif Pilijo, Bilawal, Asfandyar Wali, Molana, PTM, MQM, ANP, Molana and PML-N.



All above had a track record of barking on Pakistan Army. They will never ever go in the same direction with Establishment. Currently they succeeded to lure the Establishment to hand them over the Govt. However, they will not be working in the betterment of Pakistan.

What I can understand is, this whole “No Confidence Thing” happened to satisfy “ONE PERSON’s EGO”. Who is lord on the country & Establishment.

What is achieved = Destruction for near future + Ego Satisfaction + clean chit for corrupts + freedom for Anti Pakistan media dogs



What is lost = Support from Pro Pak-Army people + Pro-Army Govt + Ontrack Economy + Respect for some top Generals
 
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Minister (2k+ posts)
What's the problem in criticizing the head of any institution? Nawaz Sharif was right.. when politicians who have millions of people behind them, Supreme and High Court judges, NAB Chairman, Inspector Generals of Police etc etc can be criticized, what is the problem in criticizing an Army General or a handful of Generals?

I think PTI guys, including me, were wrong when they trolled PMLN when they criticized Pakistan Army, whether they were right or wrong.. it doesn't matter at all..

Anyone can be criticized..
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
What's the problem in criticizing the head of any institution? Nawaz Sharif was right.. when politicians who have millions of people behind them, Supreme and High Court judges, NAB Chairman, Inspector Generals of Police etc etc can be criticized, what is the problem in criticizing an Army General or a handful of Generals?

I think PTI guys, including me, were wrong when they trolled PMLN when they criticized Pakistan Army, whether they were right or wrong.. it doesn't matter at all..

Anyone can be criticized..
Depends on the reason.
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
Agar aaj jaisay qoum bahir nikli hai Moulvi Tamizudin case ke faislay ke baad nikalti to aaj establishment naam ke cheez Pakistan mein nahi hoti.

Martial law aye aur gaye, Courts ki madhaklat bard thi gaye. Logon ne kuch nahi bola.

As Pastor Martin said

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
 

Melanthus

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
What's the problem in criticizing the head of any institution? Nawaz Sharif was right.. when politicians who have millions of people behind them, Supreme and High Court judges, NAB Chairman, Inspector Generals of Police etc etc can be criticized, what is the problem in criticizing an Army General or a handful of Generals?

I think PTI guys, including me, were wrong when they trolled PMLN when they criticized Pakistan Army, whether they were right or wrong.. it doesn't matter at all..

Anyone can be criticized..
Criticism is not the same as maligning and demoralising the army.Guys like Fazlu,Achakzai,Wazir etc are anti Pakistan.Anyway let the army face the music.Soon they will demand army withdraw from firmer FATA and parts of Baluchistan.
 

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Citizen
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From Nasira Javed Iqbal daughter-in-law of Allama Sir Muhammad Iqbal and retired Judje of LHC

I will tell you what crime you committed Dear IK. I have been asking why IK had to be removed immediately rather than wait for 16 months to complete the term. So here is the answer.

To understand this first let’s cover two concepts

1) What is Petrodollar. It’s an agreement signed between King Faisal and President Nixon in 1974.

Saudi responsibility was to convince all OPEC countries to sell oil in US dollars and not accept any other currency or gold. All proceeds from sale will be deposited in US banks or Federal Reserve. (Then there is a lengthy formula how the OPEC county do withdrawals. We can go over it some other time) This increase the demand for USD because for any country to buy oil they first have to buy USD. This arrangement keeps USD strong.

In return Saudi currency was pegged at 1 USD = 3.75 SR, the Saudi economy may do good or bad the conversation rate will remain same. They will not face devaluation. Second US guaranteed that House of Saud will remain in power, no regime change.

US responsibility was to make sure none of the opec countries opt out of this arrangement. Iraq and Libya renegade and we all know what happened.

2) What is Indian rupee-ruble trade singed between India and Soviet Union (subsequently Russia) of 1953.

For Indian purchases from Russia they will pay in Indian Rupee. This increases the demand for Indian rupee and the currency remain strong.

For Russian purchases from India they will pay in Ruble. This increases the demand for ruble and the currency remain strong.

An Indian bank will open a branch in Russia and a Russia bank will open a branch in India to facilitate trade. There are safeguards built in so neither country do not cheat (we can go over these some other time).

This arrangement bypasses SWIFT. Please note, it is very important to understand that this deal occurred in 1953 before the petrodollar deal in 1974.

IK was the first Pakistani PM to do a Pakistani Rupee-Chinese Yuan deal in 2019. This deal covered semiconductor, transformers, broadcasting equipment. US was not happy, but let it go because it never included oil.

IK was in the process of doing a Pakistani Rupee-Russia Ruble deal for oil in 2022. Remember Petrodollar deal is dated 1974. This is a no, no. US cannot accept this because if other countries follow suit USD will weaken and US economy will come down to EU level. No more superpower.

If IK would have succeeded in doing within next 16 months, even at the expense of loosing the next election Pakistan would have come out of slavery. Hence he had to be removed immediately. He left US no choice.

IK should be thankful that he is not sitting with Saddam Hussain and Qadhdhafi in heaven. US has given him a second chance, but if he is determined not to avail then only God knows what will happen to him or Pakistan.

If IK is successful in getting this through in his second term, this constant devaluation of Rupee (1 USD = 180 PKR) will stop, Pakistan will start paying IMF and conversion rate recover.

Pakistan is at a crossroads:
Can end up with Iraq & Libya
Can end up with Sri Lanka
Can end up with freedom
 

kayawish

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Can end up with Iraq & Libya = No chance

Can end up with Sri Lanka & freedom = much chance
 
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disgusted

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Let army face the music and then they will repent.
Army will not be facing the music but the ghulambacha people of this country. Pakistanis have not learned a lesson from Libya, Syria and Iraq and perhaps they do not need to learn. It does make any difference to a slave who the master is. Indians and Afghans are very cruel people to live under. Ghulam ibn ghulam perhaps deserve this to be slaves of Hindus who themselves were slaves.
 

thinking

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I will chose last option...Freedom..
Geedar ki soo sala zindagi jeenay se behtar ha banda shair ki aik din ki zindagi jee ley.....
 

thinking

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
As regard to Saddam..Qaddafi...
We believe that Likhi howi ko koi tal nahi sakta..Barhi howi ko koi khtam nahi kar sakta..chahay wo US ho ya koi aur...