US refuses to endorse Ghani’s claim of Pakistan’s Role...

desan

President (40k+ posts)
The US State Department has refused to endorse former Afghan president Ashraf Ghani’s claim that 10 to 15 thousand Pakistanis had joined the Taliban offensive on Kabul.

Instead, a senior State Department official praised Pakistan and other partners for providing "critical assistance” to US efforts to evacuate American troops and civilians from Afghanistan.

“I’m just not in a position to comment on that, to confirm those reports,” said the department’s spokesperson Ned Price when asked to comment on Mr Ghani’s claim. The US official did not respond to another query: Whether Washington still considers Mr Ghani as Afghanistan’s legitimate ruler.

“If we have anything more, we’ll provide it,” said Mr Price when asked if he would comment on another claim that the Taliban forces now in Kabul include foreign troops.

But Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland, who also addressed this Wednesday afternoon news briefing, included Pakistan among a dozen countries who, she said, provided critical support to US evacuation efforts.

“We’re enormously grateful to the huge network of countries that have provided critical assistance for our evacuation efforts,” she said while naming Pakistan, Kuwait, Qatar, Turkey and the UAE among the countries that supported the evacuation. She also named America’s key European allies – Britain, France,

Germany, Italy, Spain and others – “who have helped transit Americans and others to safety.”

“Our close coordination with our allies and partners remains critical both on evacuation and relocation, but also as we begin to scope our ongoing relationship with the Afghan people and with the Taliban,” she said.

On Wednesday, the US media published excerpts from a July 23 conversation between President Joe Biden and Mr Ghani. In that telephone call, Mr. Biden urges his Afghan counterpart to empower his Defence Minister Bismillah Khan Mohammadi to combat Taliban fighters in key population centres.

Mr Ghani responds by claiming that he was “facing a full-scale invasion” by Taliban and at least 10-15,000 international terrorists, predominantly Pakistanis.


Commenting on such claims, Pakistan’s US Ambassador Asad Majeed Khan said that Pakistan’s role in Afghanistan was being mischaracterised.

“Pakistan’s leadership has consistently said that we have no favorites in Afghanistan and would work with any government in Kabul that has the support of the Afghan people,” he said.

“We continued to urge both the Afghan government and the Taliban to show flexibility and engage more meaningfully in order to secure a political settlement and a comprehensive ceasefire,” Mr Kahn said. “Unfortunately, neither side was in any mood to listen.”

In a separate briefing, another State Department officials told journalists that “the majority” of Afghans who worked for the United States during its 20-year military campaign in Afghanistan have been left behind.

Asked how many of those who were given Special Immigrant Visas (SIV) had left Afghanistan with US forces, the official said; “I would say it’s the majority of them, just based on anecdotal information about the populations we were able to support.”

He said that US officials who worked on the ground were “haunted by the choices we had to make and by the people we were not able to help depart” in this first phase of the evacuation.

“It wasn’t pretty. It was very challenging,” the senior official said, “and it involved some, some really painful trade-offs and choices for everyone involved.”

There were at least 20,000 SIV applicants in the pipeline prior to the US withdrawal, and the State Department has not provided a specific count of how many of them were able to move to safety with US forces.

At Wednesday’s briefing, Mr Price told reporters that more than 31,000 people had arrived in the US from Afghanistan between August 17 and 31, and nearly 24,000 of them were “Afghans at risk” — a broad category that includes SIVs, other visa holders, those recommended for refugee designations, and others.

 

Dr Adam

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)

یہ مفرور افغانی پٹواری گنجا اشرف غنی جب تک زندہ ہے مفرور پاکستانی گنجے نواز شریف کی طرح اب ہر طرف سے لعنتیں اور جوتے ہی کھائے گا

ویلکم ٹو ورلڈ لعنتی کلب
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
The US State Department has refused to endorse former Afghan president Ashraf Ghani’s claim that 10 to 15 thousand Pakistanis had joined the Taliban offensive on Kabul.

Instead, a senior State Department official praised Pakistan and other partners for providing "critical assistance” to US efforts to evacuate American troops and civilians from Afghanistan.

“I’m just not in a position to comment on that, to confirm those reports,” said the department’s spokesperson Ned Price when asked to comment on Mr Ghani’s claim. The US official did not respond to another query: Whether Washington still considers Mr Ghani as Afghanistan’s legitimate ruler.

“If we have anything more, we’ll provide it,” said Mr Price when asked if he would comment on another claim that the Taliban forces now in Kabul include foreign troops.

But Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland, who also addressed this Wednesday afternoon news briefing, included Pakistan among a dozen countries who, she said, provided critical support to US evacuation efforts.

“We’re enormously grateful to the huge network of countries that have provided critical assistance for our evacuation efforts,” she said while naming Pakistan, Kuwait, Qatar, Turkey and the UAE among the countries that supported the evacuation. She also named America’s key European allies – Britain, France,

Germany, Italy, Spain and others – “who have helped transit Americans and others to safety.”

“Our close coordination with our allies and partners remains critical both on evacuation and relocation, but also as we begin to scope our ongoing relationship with the Afghan people and with the Taliban,” she said.

On Wednesday, the US media published excerpts from a July 23 conversation between President Joe Biden and Mr Ghani. In that telephone call, Mr. Biden urges his Afghan counterpart to empower his Defence Minister Bismillah Khan Mohammadi to combat Taliban fighters in key population centres.

Mr Ghani responds by claiming that he was “facing a full-scale invasion” by Taliban and at least 10-15,000 international terrorists, predominantly Pakistanis.


Commenting on such claims, Pakistan’s US Ambassador Asad Majeed Khan said that Pakistan’s role in Afghanistan was being mischaracterised.

“Pakistan’s leadership has consistently said that we have no favorites in Afghanistan and would work with any government in Kabul that has the support of the Afghan people,” he said.

“We continued to urge both the Afghan government and the Taliban to show flexibility and engage more meaningfully in order to secure a political settlement and a comprehensive ceasefire,” Mr Kahn said. “Unfortunately, neither side was in any mood to listen.”

In a separate briefing, another State Department officials told journalists that “the majority” of Afghans who worked for the United States during its 20-year military campaign in Afghanistan have been left behind.

Asked how many of those who were given Special Immigrant Visas (SIV) had left Afghanistan with US forces, the official said; “I would say it’s the majority of them, just based on anecdotal information about the populations we were able to support.”

He said that US officials who worked on the ground were “haunted by the choices we had to make and by the people we were not able to help depart” in this first phase of the evacuation.

“It wasn’t pretty. It was very challenging,” the senior official said, “and it involved some, some really painful trade-offs and choices for everyone involved.”

There were at least 20,000 SIV applicants in the pipeline prior to the US withdrawal, and the State Department has not provided a specific count of how many of them were able to move to safety with US forces.

At Wednesday’s briefing, Mr Price told reporters that more than 31,000 people had arrived in the US from Afghanistan between August 17 and 31, and nearly 24,000 of them were “Afghans at risk” — a broad category that includes SIVs, other visa holders, those recommended for refugee designations, and others.

Ironic isn't it, for weeks now the Americans "humiliating defeat" is being celebrated here as if its their own aunty's wedding, yet just a small, mundane and vague statement from the same Americans matter so much to you all.
 

Iconoclast

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Ironic isn't it, for weeks now the Americans "humiliating defeat" is being celebrated here as if its their own aunty's wedding, yet just a small, mundane and vague statement from the same Americans matter so much to you all.
And you're mourning the loss which you term as "withdrawa" as if you were related to them.... It's funny you don't even see the irony in your statements.
It's not the statement that's important.... It's the straightening of record.
We need a facepalm emoticon....
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
And you're mourning the loss which you term as "withdrawa" as if you were related to them.... It's funny you don't even see the irony in your statements.
It's not the statement that's important.... It's the straightening of record.
We need a facepalm emoticon....
When have you seen me "mourning" criticizing the tattibans for what they are doesn't mean I'm "mourning".

Record straightened.
 

Iconoclast

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
When have you seen me "mourning" criticizing the tattibans for what they are doesn't mean I'm "mourning".

Record straightened.
You are even now, it's a one never ending bout of wailing... you just don't see it... at the moment you're too close to it, the wound is still fresh, once time serves as distance, you will see it... don't worry... it shall dawn on you one day...
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
You are even now, it's a one never ending bout of wailing... you just don't see it... at the moment you're too close to it, the wound is still fresh, once time serves as distance, you will see it... don't worry... it shall dawn on you one day...
Ain't no wounds and ain't no wailing. That's just a figment of your over active imagination. You just can't see things clearly wearing your ethic tinted glasses right now. You lot think now that your "biradars" are back in power things will be so hunky dory.
 

Iconoclast

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Ain't no wounds and ain't no wailing. That's just a figment of your over active imagination. You just can't see things clearly wearing your ethic tinted glasses right now. You lot think now that your "biradars" are back in power things will be so hunky dory.
Awww sure.... Don't worry the denial stage will pass for you too.
 

Iconoclast

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
^^^ Ditto
Only I don't deny anything, I don't deny celebrating them, you on the other hand deny the pain pangs that you're feeling after your "family's" withdrawal....
Taliban are monsters but what went on in Abu Gharib and in the fields of Afghanistan where they hunted afghans like dogs whether they were Taliban on not... speaks for your family's enlightenment right?
lol gimme a break...
But hey if it makes you feel better, Ditto to me too...
 

HimSar

Minister (2k+ posts)
Ironic isn't it, for weeks now the Americans "humiliating defeat" is being celebrated here as if its their own aunty's wedding, yet just a small, mundane and vague statement from the same Americans matter so much to you all.
The whole of West, international institutions and NGOs are praising Pak's help in evacuation efforts. Doesn't make a difference to reality except lending more credibility to Pak's role in the eyes of some white washed libs since the brown voices don't matter.
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
The whole of West, international institutions and NGOs are praising Pak's help in evacuation efforts. Doesn't make a difference to reality except lending more credibility to Pak's role
Nobody is arguing that, I dunno why you would even bring that up?
 

HimSar

Minister (2k+ posts)
Nobody is arguing that, I dunno why you would even bring that up?
Uh point was it's not the vague statement by Americans as you put it, being celebrated, but the endorsement by the world that is important and setting fire to a lot of enemy camps.
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
I don't deny celebrating them
And that is where the problem lies, if you could only see. What you are celebrating is now is increase in cross border terrorism. Already 3 of our servicemen have been killed in attacks from across the border. Tattiban have refused to hand over the list of wanted TTP fighters and told us go fuck off thats not our problem. But of course you can't see anything with your ethnic filters on. Ethnic loyalty before National loyalty

aliban are monsters but what went on in Abu Gharib and in the fields of Afghanistan where they hunted afghans like dogs whether they were Taliban on not
Whataboutery will not get you anywhere. What the Americans did is not excusable but neither is what the tattiban did in their previous regime.


But hey if it makes you feel better
You can keep your ethic tinted shades on and feel better about yourself too.
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
Uh point was it's not the vague statement by Americans as you put it, being celebrated, but the endorsement by the world that is important and setting fire to a lot of enemy camps.
You my friend have totally missed the point.
 

Iconoclast

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
And that is where the problem lies, if you could only see. What you are celebrating is now is increase in cross border terrorism. Already 3 of our servicemen have been killed in attacks from across the border. Tattiban have refused to hand over the list of wanted TTP fighters and told us go fuck off thats not our problem. But of course you can't see anything with your ethnic filters on. Ethnic loyalty before National loyalty


Whataboutery will not get you anywhere. What the Americans did is not excusable but neither is what the tattiban did in their previous regime.



You can keep your ethic tinted shades on and feel better about yourself too.
Ahh lol I see so now you're bitter because of their "refusal"? Told ya long ago you sponge your info off media.... How many were killed before Taliban came to power? How do you know it's the Taliban that killed them? And no, terrorism will only decrease....
Taliban without Pakistan are nothing.
Since when do you call holding a mirror to your face whataboutery? Damn you gaslighting candle lovers you...
Keep sulking.
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
Taliban without Pakistan are nothing.
Yes because of support from their ethic biradars and the 3 million treacherous bastards hiding in Pakistan. Times of Hamid Gul are gone where the state the supported them.

IF this really was the case the tattibans would not have said a big fuck you to Pakistan. And in the past few days both DG ISPR and our COAS publicly demanding the tattiban to keep their shit on their side of the fence.