Uzbekistan Issue Gold Currency

BrotherKantu

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The Central Bank of the Republic of Uzbekistan commences the sale of gold bars through commercial banks to expand the investment and savings opportunities of the population as well as to promote the circulation of precious metals in the country..

More and more governments and central banks around the world are promoting gold as a store of value. Not surprisingly, as gold has proven to preserve its purchasing power over thousands of years, and it’s becoming ever more clear the future of fiat currencies is shaky (yes, central banks are aware of this).





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Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Fiat Currency is superior to commodity backed currencies as long as the central bank is good at managing demand and supply of the currency. Western countries are good at managing money supply if anyone adopts Gold standards its either going to be poor countries or countries that make the decision without considering economics studies.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Not to mention Gold has historically proven to be a bad investment. In 1980 S&P500 and Gold price were same but now S&P500 is worth 4-5 times more.

US shifted from Gold standard to Fiat in 1971 and just look at their charts, inflation went down significantly and the value of the currency is much more stable and consistent. The fluctuation in currency value in 2008 financial crisis and other crisis are significantly lower than Great Depression of 1930s, its because people hoard gold in times of crisis which messes up the value of currency and inflation rates.

This is why US and other Wester countries decided to separate currency values from unstable gold prices.

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That's how much Gold fluctuates, especially during financial crisis when people hoard gold in 1980s and 2008s. Imagine having a currency that is as unstable as that.

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Above is US inflation rate chart, see how stable inflation became after US moved off of Gold standard after late 1971 compared to before.
 

Eyeaan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Wrong and misleading caption. It is not about issuing "Gold Currency".
Gold or any commodity backed currency is bad (or maybe an archaic and meaningless concept) for The Modern Economy.
 
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JusticeLover

Minister (2k+ posts)
Fiat Currency is superior to commodity backed currencies as long as the central bank is good at managing demand and supply of the currency. Western countries are good at managing money supply if anyone adopts Gold standards its either going to be poor countries or countries that make the decision without considering economics studies.
Gold is real money fiat is fake , is it so hard to understand?
 

Eyeaan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Gold is real money fiat is fake , is it so hard to understand?
I don''t understand what is money but I somewhat understand what is currency. Money is not the topic at hand anyways.
Maybe it is the other way round. Gold is not a "real" currency --Fiat currency is based on (or put it better is a product of) real facts (and fundamentals) of the economy it is serving and representing - so Fiat currency is real
 

JusticeLover

Minister (2k+ posts)
I don''t understand what is money but I somewhat understand what is currency. Money is not the topic at hand anyways.
Maybe it is the other way round. Gold is not a "real" currency --Fiat currency is based on (or put it better is a product of) real facts (and fundamentals) of the economy it is serving and representing - so Fiat currency is real
Gold is and was money through out human history , it was used as exchange medium and is still used. Fiat was initially based on gold means gold was grantee behind fiat and in some countries it still is , in poor countries governments did fraud to people and started printing more fiat as they need which resulted inflation and currency devaluation.

Fiat is stable if gold is its guarantee if its not then Paper currency is just garbage.
 

Eyeaan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Gold is and was money through out human history , it was used as exchange medium and is still used. Fiat was initially based on gold means gold was grantee behind fiat and in some countries it still is , in poor countries governments did fraud to people and started printing more fiat as they need which resulted inflation and currency devaluation.

Fiat is stable if gold is its guarantee if its not then Paper currency is just garbage.
I don't know much about human history to make a comment about it۔ Maybe even the history of money is much complex. There have been several variations in medium of exchange as well. In a way everything is money (or wealth) - maybe time (or labor) is also money or is a reservoir of labor. In history, when gold coins were a dominant currency, there have been several varieties in medium of exchange (currency) as well depending upon specific markets .
However modern currency is not merely a medium of exchange It is a much larger measure.
It is easy to say that "in US till 60s dollar was gold-based but underlying realty is not so simple Also there has not been one-to-one corresponding between circulated currency and gold deposits after introduction of fiat money.
Beyond history, here, we are talking only about the modern economy - or modern capital - or information-based economy based upon data which did not exist at this scale in history. So there is no point to indulge upon past. Archaic or outmoded concept of currency were replaced with new fiat/paper money due to solid reasons. needs and public demand.
My take was only on the word"real" -- No - gold is not a "real" currency by any means (nor has been in the history but depends how one views economics) On the other hand - fait money is real- based upon real data, facts of market and human potential and like all modern economies is goal-oriented. Since the data or information is always deficient and keep changing, and sometimes external factors (like say covid in present time) intervene, the real worth of fiat money also keep changing. That has to be so. I may add that "stability" of gold money is also an empty statement - gold price also depend upon market factors like any other commodity - there is nothing special in gold.
I understand you wont agree because we differ in concepts of modern currency and what is economy - that's ok but no point to tell about human history in this regard.
 

JusticeLover

Minister (2k+ posts)
See the above posted graph , world strongest currency dollar vs the real money gold.

Currency is just government issued paper , any time government can do fraud and devalue it or even can dishonor it. as result you loose money currency remains same.

Where as if you hold your real money which is backed by a fixed amount of gold , yes gold prices depend on its market but its the most stable money with stable demand and moderate supply.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Gold is and was money through out human history , it was used as exchange medium and is still used. Fiat was initially based on gold means gold was grantee behind fiat and in some countries it still is , in poor countries governments did fraud to people and started printing more fiat as they need which resulted inflation and currency devaluation.

Fiat is stable if gold is its guarantee if its not then Paper currency is just garbage.

Yeah even pearls, sea shells and tomatoes were used as currency in the past but we have moved on have forms of currency that do a better job. Gold is unstable and is hoarded during crisis making the currency unstable. Fiat Currency has performed significantly better than Gold so why go back to inferior Gold currency?
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
See the above posted graph , world strongest currency dollar vs the real money gold.

Currency is just government issued paper , any time government can do fraud and devalue it or even can dishonor it. as result you loose money currency remains same.

Where as if you hold your real money which is backed by a fixed amount of gold , yes gold prices depend on its market but its the most stable money with stable demand and moderate supply.

Even Gold can be manipulated like fiat currency just look at gold prices during great depression and the 1970s Saudi oil embargo. Infact, Gold has been manipulated more than fiat currency that's why US inflation rates are more stable when it shifted to Fiat Currency.

Companies and individuals do not hold Fiat Currency, you can always put it in index stocks such as S&P500 and earn risk free returns much higher than Gold investments.
 

JusticeLover

Minister (2k+ posts)
Yeah even pearls, sea shells and tomatoes were used as currency in the past but we have moved on have forms of currency that do a better job. Gold is unstable and is hoarded during crisis making the currency unstable. Fiat Currency has performed significantly better than Gold so why go back to inferior Gold currency?

I will just pass a smile to that statement. cheers.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I will just pass a smile to that statement. cheers.

Gold currency:
More unstable especially during economic crisis when people start hoarding gold
More fluctuations in inflation and higher inflation rates
Low level of government control to fix the economy
Very low multiplier level which means lower economic growth

Yes it is an inferior form of currency. The value of currency is not just dependent on physical qualities but the publics perception of value and in that way Fiat currency has value.