Zina or Rape?

saqibmkhan

MPA (400+ posts)
Relationship with Zina: Copied from Rape in Islamic Law-Wikipedia

Classical Islamic law defined what today is commonly called "Rape" as a coercive form of fornication or adultery (zināʾ). This basic definition of rape as "coercive zināʾ" meant that all the normal legal principles that pertained to zināʾ – its definition, punishment, and establishment through evidence – were also applicable to rape; the prototypical act of zināʾ was defined as sexual intercourse between a man and a woman over whom the man has neither a conjugal nor an ownership right. What distinguished a prototypical act of zināʾ from an act of rape, for the jurists, was that in the prototypical case, both parties act out of their own volition, while in an act of rape, only one of the parties does so. Jurists admitted a wide array of situations as being "coercive" in nature, including the application of physical force, the presence of duress, or the threat of future harm either to oneself or those close to oneself; they also included in their definition of "coercion" the inability to give valid consent, as in the case of minors, or mentally ill or unconscious persons.
Muslim jurists from the earliest period of Islamic law agreed that perpetrators of coercive zināʾ should receive the ḥadd punishment normally applicable to their personal status and sexual status, but that the ḥadd punishment should not be applied to victims of coercive or nonconsensual zināʾ due to their reduced capacity.

The crime of rape, according to Sunni Ḥanafī and Mālikī jurists, is as an act of zinā. If the consent was granted under coercion or in a defective legal capacity such as by a mentally impaired person, it is considered non-consent or invalid consent.

In the modern Antiquity Law the definition of, " Rape," is not only a man who is the perpetrator of the rape but it could also be a woman who rapes another woman or a man or a minor of either sex by kidnapping, abducting, or keeping the victim in captivity for prolonged raping or assaulting or someone mentally incapable of defending himself/herself by using overpowering force to satisfy her unbridled sexual desire against the victims.
A "Rape" is considered to have been committed by heterosexuals, transsexuals, homosexuals, lesbians, and gays where illegal excessive force has been used by the rapist to subdue his/her victim and sexual intercourse was committed without the conjugal consent of the victim. Even a disgruntled wife can shout 'rape' if the husband has committed the offence without her consent. I am a layman expressing my views on this subject and beg to be corrected by the law experts.



 

StarTrooper

MPA (400+ posts)
Common sense says coersive Zina is a bigger crime than consensul zina
What is the punishment of coersive Zina?
and
What is the punishment of consensual zina?
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
Relationship with Zina: Copied from Rape in Islamic Law-Wikipedia

Classical Islamic law defined what today is commonly called "Rape" as a coercive form of fornication or adultery (zināʾ). This basic definition of rape as "coercive zināʾ" meant that all the normal legal principles that pertained to zināʾ – its definition, punishment, and establishment through evidence – were also applicable to rape; the prototypical act of zināʾ was defined as sexual intercourse between a man and a woman over whom the man has neither a conjugal nor an ownership right. What distinguished a prototypical act of zināʾ from an act of rape, for the jurists, was that in the prototypical case, both parties act out of their own volition, while in an act of rape, only one of the parties does so. Jurists admitted a wide array of situations as being "coercive" in nature, including the application of physical force, the presence of duress, or the threat of future harm either to oneself or those close to oneself; they also included in their definition of "coercion" the inability to give valid consent, as in the case of minors, or mentally ill or unconscious persons.

Muslim jurists from the earliest period of Islamic law agreed that perpetrators of coercive zināʾ should receive the ḥadd punishment normally applicable to their personal status and sexual status, but that the ḥadd punishment should not be applied to victims of coercive or nonconsensual zināʾ due to their reduced capacity.

The crime of rape, according to Sunni Ḥanafī and Mālikī jurists, is as an act of zinā. If the consent was granted under coercion or in a defective legal capacity such as by a mentally impaired person, it is considered non-consent or invalid consent.

In the modern Antiquity Law the definition of, " Rape," is not only a man who is the perpetrator of the rape but it could also be a woman who rapes another woman or a man or a minor of either sex by kidnapping, abducting, or keeping the victim in captivity for prolonged raping or assaulting or someone mentally incapable of defending himself/herself by using overpowering force to satisfy her unbridled sexual desire against the victims.
A "Rape" is considered to have been committed by heterosexuals, transsexuals, homosexuals, lesbians, and gays where illegal excessive force has been used by the rapist to subdue his/her victim and sexual intercourse was committed without the conjugal consent of the victim. Even a disgruntled wife can shout 'rape' if the husband has committed the offence without her consent. I am a layman expressing my views on this subject and beg to be corrected by the law experts.
Apparently this person is with an agenda
It will be obvious after some more posts
Common sense says coersive Zina is a bigger crime than consensul zina
What is the punishment of coersive Zina?
and
What is the punishment of consensual zina?
Rape has a much bigger punishment in sharia law than consensual zina
All of you are wrong because one bright spark on this forum says if a woman is not in "pardah" according to his definition then it is perfectly valid to rape her and that too according to the Quran! ( Astaghfirullah )

So all these rapists are doing gods work and instead of punishments should be given medals from the govt, for teaching these behaya women a lesson!
 

StarTrooper

MPA (400+ posts)
Stoning to death vs 100 lynches. The bar to prove consensual zina is also set very high. Even ahadees do mention that when a lady came to the Prophet for the confession of zina Prophet ignored him for the three times.

So what is the punishment of rape?
1, Stoning to death
or
2, 100 lynches

What is the punishment of consensual zina of married couple and unmarried couple?
 

Aristo

Minister (2k+ posts)
All of you are wrong because one bright spark on this forum says if a woman is not in "pardah" according to his definition then it is perfectly valid to rape her and that too according to the Quran! ( Astaghfirullah )

So all these rapists are doing gods work and instead of punishments should be given medals from the govt, for teaching these behaya women a lesson!
Koun sa besharam Insan hay who mention to karain zara osay ?
 

Mocha7

Minister (2k+ posts)
Koun sa besharam Insan hay who mention to karain zara osay ?
وہ سارے بیغیرت جو ریپ کے ملزم کو سزا کے بجائے عورتوں کو قصوروار ٹھہرانے پر اصرار کر رہےہیں۔
 

Mocha7

Minister (2k+ posts)
All of you are wrong because one bright spark on this forum says if a woman is not in "pardah" according to his definition then it is perfectly valid to rape her and that too according to the Quran! ( Astaghfirullah )
Not one, most of the psychos in the forum saying this indirectly.
 

saqibmkhan

MPA (400+ posts)
The punishment for coercive Zina (rape -zina- bil - jabar) where overpowering force or violence was used by the perpetrator is prescribed by Huquq al Ibad set in the Islamic Jurisprudence (Sharia Law) and the punishment decided by the qazi on conviction but the Conenseusus Zina is punishable by Huquq Allah as prescribed in the Quran and fixed.
 

khipk

Senator (1k+ posts)
Relationship with Zina: Copied from Rape in Islamic Law-Wikipedia

Classical Islamic law defined what today is commonly called "Rape" as a coercive form of fornication or adultery (zināʾ). This basic definition of rape as "coercive zināʾ" meant that all the normal legal principles that pertained to zināʾ – its definition, punishment, and establishment through evidence – were also applicable to rape; the prototypical act of zināʾ was defined as sexual intercourse between a man and a woman over whom the man has neither a conjugal nor an ownership right. What distinguished a prototypical act of zināʾ from an act of rape, for the jurists, was that in the prototypical case, both parties act out of their own volition, while in an act of rape, only one of the parties does so. Jurists admitted a wide array of situations as being "coercive" in nature, including the application of physical force, the presence of duress, or the threat of future harm either to oneself or those close to oneself; they also included in their definition of "coercion" the inability to give valid consent, as in the case of minors, or mentally ill or unconscious persons.

Muslim jurists from the earliest period of Islamic law agreed that perpetrators of coercive zināʾ should receive the ḥadd punishment normally applicable to their personal status and sexual status, but that the ḥadd punishment should not be applied to victims of coercive or nonconsensual zināʾ due to their reduced capacity.

The crime of rape, according to Sunni Ḥanafī and Mālikī jurists, is as an act of zinā. If the consent was granted under coercion or in a defective legal capacity such as by a mentally impaired person, it is considered non-consent or invalid consent.

In the modern Antiquity Law the definition of, " Rape," is not only a man who is the perpetrator of the rape but it could also be a woman who rapes another woman or a man or a minor of either sex by kidnapping, abducting, or keeping the victim in captivity for prolonged raping or assaulting or someone mentally incapable of defending himself/herself by using overpowering force to satisfy her unbridled sexual desire against the victims.
A "Rape" is considered to have been committed by heterosexuals, transsexuals, homosexuals, lesbians, and gays where illegal excessive force has been used by the rapist to subdue his/her victim and sexual intercourse was committed without the conjugal consent of the victim. Even a disgruntled wife can shout 'rape' if the husband has committed the offence without her consent. I am a layman expressing my views on this subject and beg to be corrected by the law experts.
Bhai, Khud say research ya khud say Quran parh ker share mat kia kero, warna log liberal fascist ka tag laga dengay is forum per.
Kionkay un logon kay nazdeek musalman ka kaam nahi hay apna demagh use kerna, jo kuch ek darhi wala banda aaker bolday, us ko maan lena lazmi hay, jo na manay woh fasaad or fitna phela raha hay. Bhallay darhi walay banday nay kiti hee bari chawal kion na mari ho, or bhallay Mufti hee kion na ho. kionkay 3 din pehlay ek Mufti nay hee yeh kaha thaa kay "Londay baazi" jaise choti ghaltian to sahaba (RA) say bhi ho jayay kerti thee , koi bari baat nahi (Nauzubillah).
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
kionkay 3 din pehlay ek Mufti nay hee yeh kaha thaa kay "Londay baazi" jaise choti ghaltian to sahaba (RA) say bhi ho jayay kerti thee , koi bari baat nahi (Nauzubillah).
Yeh kounsa khotay ka puttar tha jis ne aasi bakwas ki? Aab kahan gay TLP walay, aab koi ghustakhi nahi hui?
 

Aristo

Minister (2k+ posts)
وہ سارے بیغیرت جو ریپ کے ملزم کو سزا کے بجائے عورتوں کو قصوروار ٹھہرانے پر اصرار کر رہےہیں۔
Rape k mujrim ko sahat say sahat tareen saza deni chahiye. kisi b insan ko koi haq nahi pohanchta aisay ghunah karnay ka mujrim is ke justification kuch b nahi day sakta libas yan kuch b aksar on bechariyon ka rape b ho jata hay jin ka libas bilkul theek hota hay par agar humain society main achnay insan payeda karnay hain to humain libas aour har cheez jaisay Humaray ALLAH nay farmaiey hay os k mutabiq he karna ho ge otherwise na yeh debate hatam ho ge na he yeh juram