میرا قدم تمام ولیوں کی گردن پر ہے - قصیدہ غوثیہ

[Wake Up Pakistan]

امید ہے اب آپ دونوں بھائیوں کو اندازہ ہو گیا ہوگا کہ میں کیا کہنا چاہتا تھا۔

آپ غوث اعظم کی شان میں دلیلیں دے رہے ہیں۔ کتب احادیث سے دلائل نکال نکال کر لا رہے ہیں جبکہ انہی کتب احادیث میں جنہیں آپ صحیح احادیث کی کتابیں مانتے ہیں اُن میں احادیث کے نام پر کیا کیا غلاظتیں بھری پڑی ہیں۔
کیا آپ برداشت کر لیں گے کہ کوئی آپ کیے والدین کو جہنمی، مشرک، ناقابل معافی دوزخی کہے؟
کُجا رسول اللہ ﷺ اور آپکی والدہ ماجدہ سیدہ آمنہ سلام اللہ علیہا اور آپ ﷺ کے والد گرامی سیدنا عبداللہ علیہ السلام۔

اللہ، ملائکہ، انبیا، اولیا، جن و بشر سمیت ہر مخلوقَ خدا کی تحاشا اور کبھی نہ رکنے والی لعنت ایسا عقیدہ رکھنے والوں پر۔​

Samjha nahee aab thee

What d u want to Prove Post 78 mai u have given some Ahadees

What d u want to prove after this

 

[Shuja Baba]

Samjha nahee aab thee

What d u want to Prove Post 78 mai u have given some Ahadees

What d u want to prove after this

آپ وہ احادیث پڑھیں جو میں نے لگائی ہیں۔ اُن میں لکھا ہے کہ رسول اللہ ﷺ کے والدین مشرک، جہنمی اور ناقابل مغفرت ہیں۔

یہ آپ کی صحیح کتب احادیث ہیں جن میں یہ بکواس بھری ہوئی ہے۔ آپ غوث اعظم کو لیکر بیٹھے رو رہے۔
آپکا دوسرا بھائی خان 125 صحیح بخاری سے احادیث لگا رہا ہے۔ ذرا جا کر اپنی احادیث کی کتابیں اور اپنے ایمان میں جھانکو کہ تمہارا دین ہے کیا؟
رسالتماب کے والدین کو گالیاں بک کر غوث پاک کے قصیدے پڑھ رہے ہو؟
کوئی شرم حیا اور دینی غیرت باقی ہے؟
اس میں کونسی بات مشکل ہے جو آپکو سمجھ نہیں آ رہی؟
اس سے بڑھ کر توہین رسالت کیا ہوگی کہ آپﷺ کے ماں باپ کو گالیاں دی جائیں؟​

 

[Khan125]

امید ہے اب آپ دونوں بھائیوں کو اندازہ ہو گیا ہوگا کہ میں کیا کہنا چاہتا تھا۔

آپ غوث اعظم کی شان میں دلیلیں دے رہے ہیں۔ کتب احادیث سے دلائل نکال نکال کر لا رہے ہیں جبکہ انہی کتب احادیث میں جنہیں آپ صحیح احادیث کی کتابیں مانتے ہیں اُن میں احادیث کے نام پر کیا کیا غلاظتیں بھری پڑی ہیں۔
کیا آپ برداشت کر لیں گے کہ کوئی آپ کیے والدین کو جہنمی، مشرک، ناقابل معافی دوزخی کہے؟
کُجا رسول اللہ ﷺ اور آپکی والدہ ماجدہ سیدہ آمنہ سلام اللہ علیہا اور آپ ﷺ کے والد گرامی سیدنا عبداللہ علیہ السلام۔

اللہ، ملائکہ، انبیا، اولیا، جن و بشر سمیت ہر مخلوقَ خدا کی تحاشا اور کبھی نہ رکنے والی لعنت ایسا عقیدہ رکھنے والوں پر۔​

Mujy pehly hi shak tha terey PICHWAEEY me koi keera ANGRAEE le rha hy.

 

[Shuja Baba]

Mujy pehly hi shak tha terey PICHWAEEY me koi keera ANGRAEE le rha hy.

وہ احادیث پڑھ جو میں نے لگائی ہیں۔ اُن میں لکھا ہے کہ رسول اللہ ﷺ کے والدین مشرک، جہنمی اور ناقابل مغفرت ہیں۔

یہ تیری صحیح کتب احادیث ہیں جن میں یہ بکواس بھری ہوئی ہے، تم غوث اعظم کو لیکر بیٹھے رو رہے۔
صحیح بخاری سے احادیث لگا رہا ہے، کبھی پڑھی ہے صحیح بخاری؟
رسول اللہ کی کیسی کیسی توہین کی گئی اس میں؟
سلیمان رشدی لعنتی نے توہین رسالت اپنی طرف سے نہیں کی، سب کچھ تمہاری جعلی احادیث کی کتابوں میں سے نقل کیا ہے۔ تمہاری کتب احادیث میں رسول اللہ اور اسلام کی وہ وہ توہین بھری پڑی ہے کہ توبہ توبہ استغفار۔
ذرا جا کر اپنی احادیث کی کتابیں اور اپنے ایمان میں جھانک کہ تمہارا دین ہے کیا؟
رسالتماب کے والدین کو گالیاں بک کر غوث پاک کے قصیدے پڑھ رہا ہے بیٹھا؟
کوئی شرم حیا اور دینی غیرت باقی ہے؟
اس میں کونسی بات مشکل ہے جو تجھےسمجھ نہیں آ رہی؟
اس سے بڑھ کر توہین رسالت کیا ہوگی کہ آپﷺ کے ماں باپ کو گالیاں دی جائیں؟​

 

[Khan125]

آپ وہ احادیث پڑھیں جو میں نے لگائی ہیں۔ اُن میں لکھا ہے کہ رسول اللہ ﷺ کے والدین مشرک، جہنمی اور ناقابل مغفرت ہیں۔

یہ آپ کی صحیح کتب احادیث ہیں جن میں یہ بکواس بھری ہوئی ہے۔ آپ غوث اعظم کو لیکر بیٹھے رو رہے۔
آپکا دوسرا بھائی خان 125 صحیح بخاری سے احادیث لگا رہا ہے۔ ذرا جا کر اپنی احادیث کی کتابیں اور اپنے ایمان میں جھانکو کہ تمہارا دین ہے کیا؟
رسالتماب کے والدین کو گالیاں بک کر غوث پاک کے قصیدے پڑھ رہے ہو؟
کوئی شرم حیا اور دینی غیرت باقی ہے؟
اس میں کونسی بات مشکل ہے جو آپکو سمجھ نہیں آ رہی؟
اس سے بڑھ کر توہین رسالت کیا ہوگی کہ آپﷺ کے ماں باپ کو گالیاں دی جائیں؟​

Chup kr kisi MUTTA ki paedawar.
Majoosi ki awlaad.
Ijtemaee gang rape yani muta e duraya ki paedawar.

 

[Khan125]

وہ احادیث پڑھ جو میں نے لگائی ہیں۔ اُن میں لکھا ہے کہ رسول اللہ ﷺ کے والدین مشرک، جہنمی اور ناقابل مغفرت ہیں۔

یہ تیری صحیح کتب احادیث ہیں جن میں یہ بکواس بھری ہوئی ہے، تم غوث اعظم کو لیکر بیٹھے رو رہے۔
صحیح بخاری سے احادیث لگا رہا ہے، کبھی پڑھی ہے صحیح بخاری؟
رسول اللہ کی کیسی کیسی توہین کی گئی اس میں؟
سلیمان رشدی لعنتی نے توہین رسالت اپنی طرف سے نہیں کی، سب کچھ تمہاری کتابوں کیں لکھا ہوا نقل کیا ہے
ذرا جا کر اپنی احادیث کی کتابیں اور اپنے ایمان میں جھانک کہ تمہارا دین ہے کیا؟
رسالتماب کے والدین کو گالیاں بک کر غوث پاک کے قصیدے پڑھ رہا ہے؟
کوئی شرم حیا اور دینی غیرت باقی ہے؟
اس میں کونسی بات مشکل ہے جو تجھےسمجھ نہیں آ رہی؟
اس سے بڑھ کر توہین رسالت کیا ہوگی کہ آپﷺ کے ماں باپ کو گالیاں دی جائیں؟​

Chup kr kisi kutya ki awlaad MAJOOSI BHRWEY.

 

[mosam141]

کوئی بھائی ذرا رہنمائی فرمائیں گے کہ یہ غوثِ اعظم صاحب کون تھے جن پر اس تھریڈ کی اساس ہے؟

 

[Wake Up Pakistan]

آپ وہ احادیث پڑھیں جو میں نے لگائی ہیں۔ اُن میں لکھا ہے کہ رسول اللہ ﷺ کے والدین مشرک، جہنمی اور ناقابل مغفرت ہیں۔

یہ آپ کی صحیح کتب احادیث ہیں جن میں یہ بکواس بھری ہوئی ہے۔ آپ غوث اعظم کو لیکر بیٹھے رو رہے۔
آپکا دوسرا بھائی خان 125 صحیح بخاری سے احادیث لگا رہا ہے۔ ذرا جا کر اپنی احادیث کی کتابیں اور اپنے ایمان میں جھانکو کہ تمہارا دین ہے کیا؟
رسالتماب کے والدین کو گالیاں بک کر غوث پاک کے قصیدے پڑھ رہے ہو؟
کوئی شرم حیا اور دینی غیرت باقی ہے؟
اس میں کونسی بات مشکل ہے جو آپکو سمجھ نہیں آ رہی؟
اس سے بڑھ کر توہین رسالت کیا ہوگی کہ آپﷺ کے ماں باپ کو گالیاں دی جائیں؟​

JUST A SMALL QUESTION

HOLY QURAN KEE TAFSEER AUR TRANSLATION KIS KE PARHI HAI TUM NAY

 

[Pakistani1947]

آپ سے بھی میرا یہی سوال ہے جو خان 125 سے پوچھا ہے:۔

کیا آپ آقائے نامدار حضرت محمد مصطفیٰ ﷺ کی والدہ ماجدہ سیدہ آمنہ اور والد گرامی حضرت عبداللہ کو نیک افراد مانتے ہیں؟ ​

I will answer your question below. without Taqaiyah please tell me are you Shia Muslim?

Question
Where are the parents of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)? Are they in Paradise or in Hell? We hope you can tell us of a hadeeth which proves the answer?.

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

There is a hadeeth from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) which indicates that they are in Hell.

Muslim (203) narrated from Anas (may Allaah be pleased with him) that a man said: “O Messenger of Allaah, where is my father?” He said: “In Hell.” When he turned away he called him back and said: “My father and your father are in Hell.”

Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

This shows that whoever dies in a state of kufr will be in Hell. And being related to one who is close to Allaah will not avail him anything. It also shows that whoever died during the fatrah (the interval between the Prophethood of ‘Eesa (peace be upon him) and that of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)) and was the follower of the way of the Arabs at that time, which was idol worship, will also be among the people of Hell. There is no excuse for the call not reaching them, because the call of Ibraaheem and other Prophets (peace be upon them) had reached these people.

Muslim (976) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I asked my Lord for permission to pray for forgiveness for my mother, but He did not give me permission. And I asked Him for permission to visit her grave, and He gave me permission.”

It says in ‘Awn al-Ma’bood:

“But He did not give me permission” means: because she was a kaafirah (disbeliever) and it is not permissible to pray for forgiveness for the kuffaar.

Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

This shows that it is not permitted to pray for forgiveness for the kuffaar.

Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

When the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “My father and your father are in Hell,” he spoke with knowledge, for he did not speak on the basis of his whims and desires, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“By the star when it goes down (or vanishes).

2. Your companion (Muhammad) has neither gone astray nor has erred.

3. Nor does he speak of (his own) desire.

4. It is only a Revelation revealed”

[al-Najm 53:1-4]

Were it not that proof has been established against ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Abd al-Muttalib, the father of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would not have said what he did about him. Perhaps he had heard something that established proof against him on the basis of the religion of Ibraaheem, because they used to follow the religion of Ibraaheem until the innovations were introduced by ‘Amr ibn Luhayy al-Khuzaa’i and his innovations became widespread among the people, such as the propagation of idols and praying to them instead of to Allaah. Perhaps ‘Abd-Allaah had heard something that showed him that the idol worship of Quraysh was wrong, but he still followed them, and thus proof was established against him. Similarly, the hadeeth which says that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) asked for permission to pray for forgiveness for his mother but it was not granted, and he asked for permission to visit her grave and he was permitted to do so but not to pray for forgiveness for her, perhaps she had heard something that established proof against her, or perhaps the people of the Jaahiliyyah are to be treated as kuffaar as far as rulings in this world are concerned, so we should not pray for them or pray for forgiveness for them, because outwardly they seem to be kuffaar, and should be regarded and dealt with as such, and their case in the Hereafter is for Allaah to judge.

Fataawa Noor ‘ala al-Darb
Al-Suyooti (may Allaah have mercy on him) was of the view that the parents of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) will be saved (from Hell), and that Allaah brought them back to life after they had died and they believed in him.

This view was rejected by the majority of scholars who ruled that the ahaadeeth which indicate that are fabricated (mawdoo’) or very weak (da’eef jiddan).

It says in ‘Awn al-Ma’bood:

Most of the reports that been narrated to the effect that the parents of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) were brought back to life and believed in him and were saved are fabricated and false. Some of them are very weak and cannot be saheeh under any circumstances, as the imams of hadeeth are unanimously agreed that they are fabricated, such as al-Daaraqutni, al-Jawzaqaani, Ibn Shaheen, al-Khateeb, Ibn ‘Asaakir, Ibn Naasir, Ibn al-Jawzi, al-Suhayli, al-Qurtubi, al-Muhibb, al-Tabari, Fath al-Deen ibn Sayyid al-Naas, Ibraaheem al-Halabi and others. The scholar Ibraaheem al-Halabi explained at length the fact that the parents of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) have not been saved from Hell in a separate essay, as did ‘Ali al-Qaari in Sharh al-Fiqh al-Akbar and in a separate essay. The basis for this opinion is the soundness of this hadeeth (“My father and your father are in Hell”). Shaykh Jalaal al-Deen al-Suyooti differed from the huffaaz and scholars and affirmed that they had believed and had been saved, and he wrote numerous essays on that topic, including al-Ta’zeem wa’l-Minnah fi anna Abaway Rasool-Illaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) fi’l-Jannah.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked: Is there any saheeh report from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) that Allaah brought his parents back to life so that they could become Muslims, then they died (again) after that?

He replied: There is no saheeh report to that effect from the scholars of hadeeth. Rather the scholars are agreed that this is an invented lie… There is no dispute among the scholars that this is one of the most obvious of fabrications, as was stated by those who have knowledge. That does not appear in any of the reliable books of hadeeth, either in the Saheehs or the Sunans or the Musnads or any other well-known books of hadeeth. It was not mentioned by the authors of the books of Maghaazi or Tafseer, even though they narrated da’eef (weak) reports along with saheeh (sound) ones. The fact that this is a lie is clear to any one who has any knowledge of religion. If such a thing had happened there would have been a great deal of motivation to transmit it, because it is something that is extraordinary on two counts: the raising of the dead and believing after death. Such a thing would have been more deserving of being transmitted than anything else. Since no trustworthy narrated transmitted it, it may be understood that this is a lie.

Moreover, this goes against the Qur’aan and the saheeh Sunnah, and the consensus of the scholars. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Allaah accepts only the repentance of those who do evil in ignorance and foolishness and repent soon afterwards; it is they whom Allaah will forgive and Allaah is Ever All‑Knower, All‑Wise.

18. And of no effect is the repentance of those who continue to do evil deeds until death faces one of them and he says: ‘Now I repent;’ nor of those who die while they are disbelievers”

[al-Nisa’ 4:17-18]

So Allaah states that there is no repentance for one who dies as a disbeliever. And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Then their Faith (in Islamic Monotheism) could not avail them when they saw Our punishment. (Like) this has been the way of Allaah in dealing with His slaves. And there the disbelievers lost utterly (when Our Torment covered them)”

[Ghaafir 40:85]

So He tells us that the way in which He deals with His slaves is that faith will be to no avail once they have seen the punishment, so how about after death? And there are other similar texts. Then he quoted the two hadeeth which we quoted at the beginning of our answer.

Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 4/325-327.

Source

 

[Prince of Dhump]

آپ سے بھی میرا یہی سوال ہے جو خان 125 سے پوچھا ہے:۔

کیا آپ آقائے نامدار حضرت محمد مصطفیٰ ﷺ کی والدہ ماجدہ سیدہ آمنہ اور والد گرامی حضرت عبداللہ کو نیک افراد مانتے ہیں؟ ​

how are u so certain k wo naik parhezgar te
kya wo momin te
kya koi hawala kya koi tareekhi record hai is bare me ?
pichle anbiya k waliden..pichle anbiya k bete b to dunye me mushrik tehre

 

[Pakistani1947]

JUST A SMALL QUESTION

HOLY QURAN KEE TAFSEER AUR TRANSLATION KIS KE PARHI HAI TUM NAY

Brother, this person "Shuja Baba" seems to be Shia. All he is trying to create confusions in the mind of common Muslims about the authenticity of Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari although there is Ijma (اجماع) among Muslims that Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari are two most the authentic Books of Hadeeth.
I try to avoid doing debate with Shia as it usually create a bitter atmosphere on this forum, as most of them are very abusive. I suggest if you want to continue debate with him first read my following posts which tells you How to debate with Shia:

پندرہ شعبان کی حقیقت Post# 65
پندرہ شعبان کی حقیقت Post# 66
پندرہ شعبان کی حقیقت Post# 67

In short,
When you want to help a Shia to realize how deviated he/she is from Islam or to help a fellow Muslim from the mainstream not to be deceived by Shia, there are TWO QUESTIONS that completely do the job for you:

Question One: Where is the doctrine of Imamat in Quran?

Question Two: How does the current Imam lead Shia?

 

[Pakistani1947]

how are u so certain k wo naik parhezgar te
kya wo momin te
kya koi hawala kya koi tareekhi record hai is bare me ?
pichle anbiya k waliden..pichle anbiya k bete b to dunye me mushrik tehre

Brother, he seems to be Shia and hence trying to attack Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari to create confusion about the authenticity of these most authentic Books of Hadeeths.

Islam does not teaches blind following of anybody. We must follow Qur'aan and Sunnah (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) to be successful in Aakhirat (آخرت). Furthermore, it is not required as Muslim to debate that whether parents of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) or his (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) uncle Abu Talib were died as Muslim or not.
We know from Quur'an that parents of Hazrat Ibrahim AS were Kafir.

May Allah give hidayat to all of us (Aameen).

I have already posted a comprehensive answer by an Aalim on the parents of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) . Following are some Hadeeth about Prophet Muhammad's (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) uncle Abu Talib.

Narrated Al-Musaiyab: When Abu Talib was in his death bed, the Prophet went to him while Abu Jahl was sitting beside him. The Prophet said, "O my uncle! Say: None has the right to be worshipped except Allah, an expression I will defend your case with, before Allah." Abu Jahl and 'Abdullah bin Umaya said, "O Abu Talib! Will you leave the religion of 'Abdul MutTalib?" So they kept on saying this to him so that the last statement he said to them (before he died) was: "I am on the religion of 'Abdul MutTalib." Then the Prophet said, " I will keep on asking for Allah's Forgiveness for you unless I am forbidden to do so." Then the following Verse was revealed:--"It is not fitting for the Prophet and the believers to ask Allah's Forgiveness for the pagans, even if they were their near relatives, after it has become clear to them that they are the dwellers of the (hell) Fire." (9.113) The other Verse was also revealed:-- "(O Prophet!) Verily, you guide not whom you like, but Allah guides whom He will ......." (28.56) (Sahih Bukhari; Book #58, Hadith #223)

Narrated 'Abdullah bin Al-Harith bin Naufal: Abbas bin 'Abdul Muttalib said, "O Allah's Apostle! Did you benefit Abu Talib with anything as he used to protect and take care of you, and used to become angry for you?" the Prophet said, "Yes, he is in a shallow place of Fire. But for me he would have been in the lowest part of the Fire." (Sahih Bukhari; Book #73, Hadith #227)

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: I heard Allah's Apostles when his uncle, Abu Talib had been mentioned in his presence, saying, "May be my intercession will help him (Abu Talib) on the Day of Resurrection so that he may be put in a shallow place in the Fire, with Fire reaching his ankles and causing his brain to boil." (Sahih Bukhari; Book #76, Hadith #569)

It is reported on the authority of anas b. Malik that he said: We were forbidden that we should ask anything (without the genuine need) from the Holy Prophet. It, therefore, pleased us that an intelligent person from the dwellers of the desert should come and asked him (the Holy Prophet) and we should listen to it. A man from the dwellers of the desert came (to the Holy Prophet) and said: Muhammad, your messenger came to us and told us your assertion that verily Allah had sent you (as a prophet). He (the Holy Prophet) remarked: He told the truth. He (the bedouin) said: Who created the heaven? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Allah. He (the bedouin again) said: Who created the earth? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Allah. He (the bedouin again) said: Who raised these mountains and who created in them whatever is created there? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Allah. Upon this he (the bedouin) remarked: By Him Who created the heaven and created the earth and raised mountains thereupon, has Allah (in fact) sent you? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. He (the bedouin) said: Your messenger also told us that five prayers (had been made) obligatory for us during the day and the night. He (the Holy Prophet) remarked: He told you the truth. He (the bedouin) said: By Him Who sent you, is it Allah Who ordered you about this (i. e. prayers)? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. He (the bedouin) said: Your messenger told us that Zakat had been made obligatory in our riches. He (the Holy Prophet) said. He has told the truth. He (the bedouin) said: By Him Who sent you (as a prophet), is it Allah Who ordered you about it (Zakat)? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. He (the bedouin) said: Your messenger told us that it had been made obligatory for us to fast every year during the month of ramadan. He (the Holy Prophet) said: He has told the truth. He (the bedouin) said: By Him Who sent you (as a prophet), is it Allah Who ordered you about it (the fasts of ramadan)? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. He (the bedouin) said: Your messenger also told us that pilgrimage (Hajj) to the House (of Ka'bah) had been made obligatory for him who is able to undertake the journey to it. He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. The narrator said that he (the bedouin) set off (at the conclusion of this answer, but at the time of his departure) remarked: 'By Him Who sent you with the Truth, I would neither make any addition to them nor would I diminish anything out of them. Upon this the Holy Prophet remarked: If he were true (to what he said) he must enter Paradise. (Sahih Muslim Book #001, Hadith #0009)

 

[Prince of Dhump]

Brother, he seems to be Shia and hence trying to attack Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari to create confusion about the authenticity of these most authentic Books of Hadeeths.

Islam does not teaches blind following of anybody. We must follow Qur'aan and Sunnah (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) to be successful in Aakhirat (آخرت). Furthermore, it is not required as Muslim to debate that whether parents of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) or his (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) uncle Abu Talib were died as Muslim or not.
We know from Quur'an that parents of Hazrat Ibrahim AS were Kafir.

May Allah give hidayat to all of us (Aameen).

I have already posted a comprehensive answer by an Aalim on the parents of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) . Following are some Hadeeth about Prophet Muhammad's (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) uncle Abu Talib.

Narrated Al-Musaiyab: When Abu Talib was in his death bed, the Prophet went to him while Abu Jahl was sitting beside him. The Prophet said, "O my uncle! Say: None has the right to be worshipped except Allah, an expression I will defend your case with, before Allah." Abu Jahl and 'Abdullah bin Umaya said, "O Abu Talib! Will you leave the religion of 'Abdul MutTalib?" So they kept on saying this to him so that the last statement he said to them (before he died) was: "I am on the religion of 'Abdul MutTalib." Then the Prophet said, " I will keep on asking for Allah's Forgiveness for you unless I am forbidden to do so." Then the following Verse was revealed:--"It is not fitting for the Prophet and the believers to ask Allah's Forgiveness for the pagans, even if they were their near relatives, after it has become clear to them that they are the dwellers of the (hell) Fire." (9.113) The other Verse was also revealed:-- "(O Prophet!) Verily, you guide not whom you like, but Allah guides whom He will ......." (28.56) (Sahih Bukhari; Book #58, Hadith #223)

Narrated 'Abdullah bin Al-Harith bin Naufal: Abbas bin 'Abdul Muttalib said, "O Allah's Apostle! Did you benefit Abu Talib with anything as he used to protect and take care of you, and used to become angry for you?" the Prophet said, "Yes, he is in a shallow place of Fire. But for me he would have been in the lowest part of the Fire." (Sahih Bukhari; Book #73, Hadith #227)

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: I heard Allah's Apostles when his uncle, Abu Talib had been mentioned in his presence, saying, "May be my intercession will help him (Abu Talib) on the Day of Resurrection so that he may be put in a shallow place in the Fire, with Fire reaching his ankles and causing his brain to boil." (Sahih Bukhari; Book #76, Hadith #569)

It is reported on the authority of anas b. Malik that he said: We were forbidden that we should ask anything (without the genuine need) from the Holy Prophet. It, therefore, pleased us that an intelligent person from the dwellers of the desert should come and asked him (the Holy Prophet) and we should listen to it. A man from the dwellers of the desert came (to the Holy Prophet) and said: Muhammad, your messenger came to us and told us your assertion that verily Allah had sent you (as a prophet). He (the Holy Prophet) remarked: He told the truth. He (the bedouin) said: Who created the heaven? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Allah. He (the bedouin again) said: Who created the earth? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Allah. He (the bedouin again) said: Who raised these mountains and who created in them whatever is created there? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Allah. Upon this he (the bedouin) remarked: By Him Who created the heaven and created the earth and raised mountains thereupon, has Allah (in fact) sent you? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. He (the bedouin) said: Your messenger also told us that five prayers (had been made) obligatory for us during the day and the night. He (the Holy Prophet) remarked: He told you the truth. He (the bedouin) said: By Him Who sent you, is it Allah Who ordered you about this (i. e. prayers)? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. He (the bedouin) said: Your messenger told us that Zakat had been made obligatory in our riches. He (the Holy Prophet) said. He has told the truth. He (the bedouin) said: By Him Who sent you (as a prophet), is it Allah Who ordered you about it (Zakat)? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. He (the bedouin) said: Your messenger told us that it had been made obligatory for us to fast every year during the month of ramadan. He (the Holy Prophet) said: He has told the truth. He (the bedouin) said: By Him Who sent you (as a prophet), is it Allah Who ordered you about it (the fasts of ramadan)? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. He (the bedouin) said: Your messenger also told us that pilgrimage (Hajj) to the House (of Ka'bah) had been made obligatory for him who is able to undertake the journey to it. He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. The narrator said that he (the bedouin) set off (at the conclusion of this answer, but at the time of his departure) remarked: 'By Him Who sent you with the Truth, I would neither make any addition to them nor would I diminish anything out of them. Upon this the Holy Prophet remarked: If he were true (to what he said) he must enter Paradise. (Sahih Muslim Book #001, Hadith #0009)

yeah..
I dont know why we tend to complicate things and not call spade a spade

Its crystal clear mushrik will not enter paradise..we dont even need ahadees to ascertain that. If the parents of Propher (SAW) were idol worshippers then thats it..they will not be in paradise. Yes! out of respect we shouldnt make it an issue or make it a point of discussion but reality cannot be changed as per our wishes how much cruel it is.

And the son of Hazar Nuh (AS) died a mushrik, the father of Propher Abraham died a mushrik so its not a hard and fast rule that the walid or molud of Prophets are also naik and perhaizgar

As a brother, I would humbly advice u to not think of the motive (niyat) of another person unless ur 100percent sure. Maybe he is right so better entertain him with a discussion and either convince him or be convinced if he is right ;)

 

[منتظر]

Brother, he seems to be Shia and hence trying to attack Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari to create confusion about the authenticity of these most authentic Books of Hadeeths.

Islam does not teaches blind following of anybody. We must follow Qur'aan and Sunnah (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) to be successful in Aakhirat (آخرت). Furthermore, it is not required as Muslim to debate that whether parents of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) or his (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) uncle Abu Talib were died as Muslim or not.
We know from Quur'an that parents of Hazrat Ibrahim AS were Kafir.

May Allah give hidayat to all of us (Aameen).

I have already posted a comprehensive answer by an Aalim on the parents of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) . Following are some Hadeeth about Prophet Muhammad's (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) uncle Abu Talib.

Narrated Al-Musaiyab: When Abu Talib was in his death bed, the Prophet went to him while Abu Jahl was sitting beside him. The Prophet said, "O my uncle! Say: None has the right to be worshipped except Allah, an expression I will defend your case with, before Allah." Abu Jahl and 'Abdullah bin Umaya said, "O Abu Talib! Will you leave the religion of 'Abdul MutTalib?" So they kept on saying this to him so that the last statement he said to them (before he died) was: "I am on the religion of 'Abdul MutTalib." Then the Prophet said, " I will keep on asking for Allah's Forgiveness for you unless I am forbidden to do so." Then the following Verse was revealed:--"It is not fitting for the Prophet and the believers to ask Allah's Forgiveness for the pagans, even if they were their near relatives, after it has become clear to them that they are the dwellers of the (hell) Fire." (9.113) The other Verse was also revealed:-- "(O Prophet!) Verily, you guide not whom you like, but Allah guides whom He will ......." (28.56) (Sahih Bukhari; Book #58, Hadith #223)

Narrated 'Abdullah bin Al-Harith bin Naufal: Abbas bin 'Abdul Muttalib said, "O Allah's Apostle! Did you benefit Abu Talib with anything as he used to protect and take care of you, and used to become angry for you?" the Prophet said, "Yes, he is in a shallow place of Fire. But for me he would have been in the lowest part of the Fire." (Sahih Bukhari; Book #73, Hadith #227)

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: I heard Allah's Apostles when his uncle, Abu Talib had been mentioned in his presence, saying, "May be my intercession will help him (Abu Talib) on the Day of Resurrection so that he may be put in a shallow place in the Fire, with Fire reaching his ankles and causing his brain to boil." (Sahih Bukhari; Book #76, Hadith #569)

It is reported on the authority of anas b. Malik that he said: We were forbidden that we should ask anything (without the genuine need) from the Holy Prophet. It, therefore, pleased us that an intelligent person from the dwellers of the desert should come and asked him (the Holy Prophet) and we should listen to it. A man from the dwellers of the desert came (to the Holy Prophet) and said: Muhammad, your messenger came to us and told us your assertion that verily Allah had sent you (as a prophet). He (the Holy Prophet) remarked: He told the truth. He (the bedouin) said: Who created the heaven? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Allah. He (the bedouin again) said: Who created the earth? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Allah. He (the bedouin again) said: Who raised these mountains and who created in them whatever is created there? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Allah. Upon this he (the bedouin) remarked: By Him Who created the heaven and created the earth and raised mountains thereupon, has Allah (in fact) sent you? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. He (the bedouin) said: Your messenger also told us that five prayers (had been made) obligatory for us during the day and the night. He (the Holy Prophet) remarked: He told you the truth. He (the bedouin) said: By Him Who sent you, is it Allah Who ordered you about this (i. e. prayers)? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. He (the bedouin) said: Your messenger told us that Zakat had been made obligatory in our riches. He (the Holy Prophet) said. He has told the truth. He (the bedouin) said: By Him Who sent you (as a prophet), is it Allah Who ordered you about it (Zakat)? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. He (the bedouin) said: Your messenger told us that it had been made obligatory for us to fast every year during the month of ramadan. He (the Holy Prophet) said: He has told the truth. He (the bedouin) said: By Him Who sent you (as a prophet), is it Allah Who ordered you about it (the fasts of ramadan)? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. He (the bedouin) said: Your messenger also told us that pilgrimage (Hajj) to the House (of Ka'bah) had been made obligatory for him who is able to undertake the journey to it. He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. The narrator said that he (the bedouin) set off (at the conclusion of this answer, but at the time of his departure) remarked: 'By Him Who sent you with the Truth, I would neither make any addition to them nor would I diminish anything out of them. Upon this the Holy Prophet remarked: If he were true (to what he said) he must enter Paradise. (Sahih Muslim Book #001, Hadith #0009)

ادھر ہی رک جاؤ تم تو کہتے ہو کے تم فرقہ واریت پر یقین نہیں رکھتے ہو پھر تم شیعہ کا نام لیکر ٹارگٹ کر رہے ہو صحیح بخاری یا مسلم یہ کوئی نعوذ باللہ قران نہیں ہے اور اسماعیل بخاری ایک مجوسی النسل تھا اس نے بہت گستاخی پر مبنی احادیث جو بنو امیہ جو کے اصل میں شجرہ ملعونہ تھے ان کی گھڑیں ہویں احادیث کو جگہ تھی اور یہ ناصبی تھا اس نے نہ تو مولا علی حسن حسین علیہ سلام سے نہ ہی بی بی پاک فاطمہ سلام الله علیہ سے زیادہ روایات لیں بلکہ دشمن اہلبیت سے دبا کر حدیثیں لیں
ابو ہریرہ جس کو کے عمر کوڑے مارتے تھے وہ جالی حدیثیں گھرتا تھا جب تک وہ موجود تھے یہ ڈرتا تھا ان کے بعد اس نے معاویہ کے کہنے پر جو جھوٹ لکھا اس سے امت کو جو نقصان پہنچا وہ تا قیامت اس کی تلافی نہ ممکن ہے ​

 

[Wake Up Pakistan]

Brother, he seems to be Shia and hence trying to attack Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari to create confusion about the authenticity of these most authentic Books of Hadeeths.

Islam does not teaches blind following of anybody. We must follow Qur'aan and Sunnah (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) to be successful in Aakhirat (آخرت). Furthermore, it is not required as Muslim to debate that whether parents of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) or his (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) uncle Abu Talib were died as Muslim or not.
We know from Quur'an that parents of Hazrat Ibrahim AS were Kafir.

May Allah give hidayat to all of us (Aameen).

I have already posted a comprehensive answer by an Aalim on the parents of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) . Following are some Hadeeth about Prophet Muhammad's (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) uncle Abu Talib.

Narrated Al-Musaiyab: When Abu Talib was in his death bed, the Prophet went to him while Abu Jahl was sitting beside him. The Prophet said, "O my uncle! Say: None has the right to be worshipped except Allah, an expression I will defend your case with, before Allah." Abu Jahl and 'Abdullah bin Umaya said, "O Abu Talib! Will you leave the religion of 'Abdul MutTalib?" So they kept on saying this to him so that the last statement he said to them (before he died) was: "I am on the religion of 'Abdul MutTalib." Then the Prophet said, " I will keep on asking for Allah's Forgiveness for you unless I am forbidden to do so." Then the following Verse was revealed:--"It is not fitting for the Prophet and the believers to ask Allah's Forgiveness for the pagans, even if they were their near relatives, after it has become clear to them that they are the dwellers of the (hell) Fire." (9.113) The other Verse was also revealed:-- "(O Prophet!) Verily, you guide not whom you like, but Allah guides whom He will ......." (28.56) (Sahih Bukhari; Book #58, Hadith #223)

Narrated 'Abdullah bin Al-Harith bin Naufal: Abbas bin 'Abdul Muttalib said, "O Allah's Apostle! Did you benefit Abu Talib with anything as he used to protect and take care of you, and used to become angry for you?" the Prophet said, "Yes, he is in a shallow place of Fire. But for me he would have been in the lowest part of the Fire." (Sahih Bukhari; Book #73, Hadith #227)

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: I heard Allah's Apostles when his uncle, Abu Talib had been mentioned in his presence, saying, "May be my intercession will help him (Abu Talib) on the Day of Resurrection so that he may be put in a shallow place in the Fire, with Fire reaching his ankles and causing his brain to boil." (Sahih Bukhari; Book #76, Hadith #569)

It is reported on the authority of anas b. Malik that he said: We were forbidden that we should ask anything (without the genuine need) from the Holy Prophet. It, therefore, pleased us that an intelligent person from the dwellers of the desert should come and asked him (the Holy Prophet) and we should listen to it. A man from the dwellers of the desert came (to the Holy Prophet) and said: Muhammad, your messenger came to us and told us your assertion that verily Allah had sent you (as a prophet). He (the Holy Prophet) remarked: He told the truth. He (the bedouin) said: Who created the heaven? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Allah. He (the bedouin again) said: Who created the earth? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Allah. He (the bedouin again) said: Who raised these mountains and who created in them whatever is created there? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Allah. Upon this he (the bedouin) remarked: By Him Who created the heaven and created the earth and raised mountains thereupon, has Allah (in fact) sent you? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. He (the bedouin) said: Your messenger also told us that five prayers (had been made) obligatory for us during the day and the night. He (the Holy Prophet) remarked: He told you the truth. He (the bedouin) said: By Him Who sent you, is it Allah Who ordered you about this (i. e. prayers)? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. He (the bedouin) said: Your messenger told us that Zakat had been made obligatory in our riches. He (the Holy Prophet) said. He has told the truth. He (the bedouin) said: By Him Who sent you (as a prophet), is it Allah Who ordered you about it (Zakat)? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. He (the bedouin) said: Your messenger told us that it had been made obligatory for us to fast every year during the month of ramadan. He (the Holy Prophet) said: He has told the truth. He (the bedouin) said: By Him Who sent you (as a prophet), is it Allah Who ordered you about it (the fasts of ramadan)? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. He (the bedouin) said: Your messenger also told us that pilgrimage (Hajj) to the House (of Ka'bah) had been made obligatory for him who is able to undertake the journey to it. He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. The narrator said that he (the bedouin) set off (at the conclusion of this answer, but at the time of his departure) remarked: 'By Him Who sent you with the Truth, I would neither make any addition to them nor would I diminish anything out of them. Upon this the Holy Prophet remarked: If he were true (to what he said) he must enter Paradise. (Sahih Muslim Book #001, Hadith #0009)

BHAI TUM YEAH THREAD START NA KARTAY TOU ACHA THAA

ISS LIYA MAI TUMAI PAHLAY JAWAB NAHEE DAI RAHA THAA

I AM TRYING TO AVOID U JO BAAT HAAM NA KARTAY HIA NA KABHI SUNI

LOOG ASAAAN SAY KAR KAY CHALAY JATAY HAIN

AAB TUM NAY DAIKH LIYA TUMHARAY THREAD KE WAJA SAY

QADIYANI, SHIA, KHAWARJI KAISAY ACTIVE HUWAY

BAS hum sab ka aik AQEEDA hona chahiya WE RESPECT EVERYBODY RELATED TO OUR PROPHET PBUH

All companions R.A of Prophet PBUH, All Ahle-Bayat, All Aliya ALLAH, All Ahadeees Kutabs and their Writers,

next time aap Care karma please

 

[Pakistani1947]

ادھر ہی رک جاؤ تم تو کہتے ہو کے تم فرقہ واریت پر یقین نہیں رکھتے ہو پھر تم شیعہ کا نام لیکر ٹارگٹ کر رہے ہو صحیح بخاری یا مسلم یہ کوئی نعوذ باللہ قران نہیں ہے اور اسماعیل بخاری ایک مجوسی النسل تھا اس نے بہت گستاخی پر مبنی احادیث جو بنو امیہ جو کے اصل میں شجرہ ملعونہ تھے ان کی گھڑیں ہویں احادیث کو جگہ تھی اور یہ ناصبی تھا اس نے نہ تو مولا علی حسن حسین علیہ سلام سے نہ ہی بی بی پاک فاطمہ سلام الله علیہ سے زیادہ روایات لیں بلکہ دشمن اہلبیت سے دبا کر حدیثیں لیں
ابو ہریرہ جس کو کے عمر کوڑے مارتے تھے وہ جالی حدیثیں گھرتا تھا جب تک وہ موجود تھے یہ ڈرتا تھا ان کے بعد اس نے معاویہ کے کہنے پر جو جھوٹ لکھا اس سے امت کو جو نقصان پہنچا وہ تا قیامت اس کی تلافی نہ ممکن ہے ​

Brother, this is main reason, I try to avoid debate with Shia because you people become very abusive and very quickly. whatever you have posted above is just accusations from Shias. We non-Shia Muslims respect all the Shahaba, all four Khufa e Rashideen and all of the Ahle Beit.
In your post above you are accusing Imam Bukhari and Imam Muslim for taking anti-Shia Hadeeths in their Books. I am quoting following Hadeeths from Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari which highlight the high status of Hazrat Ali (RA) in the eyes of Rasool Allah (pbuh):

Narrated Salama: `Ali happened to stay behind the Prophet and (did not join him) during the battle of Khaibar for he was having eye trouble. Then he said, How could I remain behind Allah's Apostle? So `Ali set out following the Prophet , When it was the eve of the day in the morning of which Allah helped (the Muslims) to conquer it, Allah's Apostle said, I will give the flag (to a man), or tomorrow a man whom Allah and His Apostle love will take the flag, or said, A man who loves Allah and His Apostle; and Allah will grant victory under his leadership. Suddenly came `Ali whom we did not expect. The people said, This is `Ali. Allah's Apostle gave him the flag and Allah granted victory under his leadership. [Sahih Bukhari - 3702]
Translation of [Sahih Bukhari - 3702]

علی رضی اللہ عنہ غزوہ خیبر کے موقع پر نبی کریم صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کے ساتھ بوجہ آنکھ دکھنے کے نہیں آ سکے تھے، پھر انہوں نے سوچا میں نبی کریم صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کے ساتھ غزوہ میں شریک نہ ہو سکوں! چنانچہ گھر سے نکلے اور آپ کے لشکر سے جا ملے، جب اس رات کی شام آئی جس کی صبح کو اللہ تعالیٰ نے فتح عنایت فرمائی تھی تو آپ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے فرمایا: کل میں ایک ایسے شخص کو عَلم دوں گا یا آپ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے یوں فرمایا کہ کل ) ایک ایسا شخص عَلم کو لے گا جس سے اللہ اور اس کے رسول کو محبت ہے یا آپ نے یہ فرمایا کہ جو اللہ اور اس کے رسول سے محبت رکھتا ہے اور اللہ تعالیٰ اس کے ہاتھ پر فتح عنایت فرمائے گا، اتفاق سے علی رضی اللہ عنہ آ گئے، حالانکہ ان کے آنے کی ہمیں امید نہیں تھی لوگوں نے بتایا کہ یہ ہیں علی رضی اللہ عنہ۔ آپ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نےعَلم انہیں دے دیا، اور اللہ تعالیٰ نے ان کے ہاتھ پر خیبر کو فتح کرا دیا۔​

Zirr reported: 'Ali observed: By Him Who split up the seed and created something living, the Apostle (may peace and blessings be upon him) gave me a promise that no one but a believer would love me, and none but a hypocrite would nurse grudge against me. (Sahih Muslim - 240)
Translation of (Sahih Muslim - 240):

حضرت علی ‌رضی ‌اللہ ‌عنہ ‌ ‌ نے کہا : اس ذات کی قسم جس نے دانے کو پھاڑا اور روح کو تخلیق کیا ! نبی امی ﷺنے مجھے بتا دیا تھا کہ ’’ میرے ساتھ مومن کے سوا کوئی محبت نہیں کرے گا اور منافق کےسوا کوئی بغض نہیں رکھے گا ۔ ‘ ‘​

 

[Pakistani1947]

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I AM TRYING TO AVOID U JO BAAT HAAM NA KARTAY HIA NA KABHI SUNI

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AAB TUM NAY DAIKH LIYA TUMHARAY THREAD KE WAJA SAY

QADIYANI, SHIA, KHAWARJI KAISAY ACTIVE HUWAY

BAS hum sab ka aik AQEEDA hona chahiya WE RESPECT EVERYBODY RELATED TO OUR PROPHET PBUH

All companions R.A of Prophet PBUH, All Ahle-Bayat, All Aliya ALLAH, All Ahadeees Kutabs and their Writers,

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Jizak-Allah Brother, my only purpose on this forum is to create UNITY among different sects of Muslims. Creating sects is Haram in Islam.

The Glorious Qur'an says :

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ فَرَّقُوا دِينَهُمْ وَكَانُوا شِيَعًا لَّسْتَ مِنْهُمْ فِي شَيْءٍ ۚ إِنَّمَا أَمْرُهُمْ إِلَى اللَّهِ ثُمَّ يُنَبِّئُهُم بِمَا كَانُوا يَفْعَلُونَ
As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah. He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did. [Al-Qur'an 6:159]

جنہوں نے اپنے دین کو ٹکڑے ٹکڑے کر دیا اور کئی جماعتیں بن گئے تیرا ان سے کوئی تعلق نہیں اس کا کام الله ہی کے حوالے ہے پھر وہی انہیں بتلائے گا جو کچھ وہ کرتے تھے

(Qur'an 30:32) مِنَ الَّذِينَ فَرَّقُوا دِينَهُمْ وَكَانُوا شِيَعًا ۖ كُلُّ حِزْبٍ بِمَا لَدَيْهِمْ فَرِحُونَ​

Those who split up their Religion, and become (mere) Sects,- each party rejoicing in that which is with itself!

جنہوں نے اپنے دین کو ٹکڑے ٹکڑے کر دیا اور کئی فرقے ہو گئے سب فرقے اسی سے خوش ہیں جو ان کے پا س ہے

(Qur'an 30:33) وَإِذَا مَسَّ النَّاسَ ضُرٌّ دَعَوْا رَبَّهُم مُّنِيبِينَ إِلَيْهِ ثُمَّ إِذَا أَذَاقَهُم مِّنْهُ رَحْمَةً إِذَا فَرِيقٌ مِّنْهُم بِرَبِّهِمْ يُشْرِكُونَ​

When trouble touches men, they cry to their Lord, turning back to Him in repentance: but when He gives them a taste of Mercy as from Himself, behold, some of them pay part-worship to other god's besides their Lord,-

اور ولوگوں کو جب کوئی دکھ پہنچتا ہے تو اپنے رب کی طرف رجوع ہو کر اسے پکارتے ہیں پھر جب وہ انہیں اپنی رحمت کا مزہ چکھاتا ہے توایک گروہ ان میں سے اپنے رب سے شرک کرنے لگتا ہے​

In above verse 30:33, very simple interpretation can be that when men are in trouble they call Allah for help but when Allah bless them they start doing SHIRK with Allah.

This is a very serious issue as there is no forgiveness from Allah for this act. Muslims are calling others like Hazrat Ali, Ghous e Azam and Chushti etc. for help, which is clear SHIRK.
Unless we debate among our Muslim brother they would continue doing doing these SHIRKIA activities.

May Allah give hidayat to all Muslims including myself towards the right path (Aameen)

 

[Wake Up Pakistan]

Jizak-Allah Brother, my only purpose on this forum is to create UNITY among different sects of Muslims. Creating sects is Haram in Islam.

The Glorious Qur'an says :

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ فَرَّقُوا دِينَهُمْ وَكَانُوا شِيَعًا لَّسْتَ مِنْهُمْ فِي شَيْءٍ ۚ إِنَّمَا أَمْرُهُمْ إِلَى اللَّهِ ثُمَّ يُنَبِّئُهُم بِمَا كَانُوا يَفْعَلُونَ
As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah. He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did. [Al-Qur'an 6:159]

جنہوں نے اپنے دین کو ٹکڑے ٹکڑے کر دیا اور کئی جماعتیں بن گئے تیرا ان سے کوئی تعلق نہیں اس کا کام الله ہی کے حوالے ہے پھر وہی انہیں بتلائے گا جو کچھ وہ کرتے تھے

(Qur'an 30:32) مِنَ الَّذِينَ فَرَّقُوا دِينَهُمْ وَكَانُوا شِيَعًا ۖ كُلُّ حِزْبٍ بِمَا لَدَيْهِمْ فَرِحُونَ​

Those who split up their Religion, and become (mere) Sects,- each party rejoicing in that which is with itself!

جنہوں نے اپنے دین کو ٹکڑے ٹکڑے کر دیا اور کئی فرقے ہو گئے سب فرقے اسی سے خوش ہیں جو ان کے پا س ہے

(Qur'an 30:33) وَإِذَا مَسَّ النَّاسَ ضُرٌّ دَعَوْا رَبَّهُم مُّنِيبِينَ إِلَيْهِ ثُمَّ إِذَا أَذَاقَهُم مِّنْهُ رَحْمَةً إِذَا فَرِيقٌ مِّنْهُم بِرَبِّهِمْ يُشْرِكُونَ​

When trouble touches men, they cry to their Lord, turning back to Him in repentance: but when He gives them a taste of Mercy as from Himself, behold, some of them pay part-worship to other god's besides their Lord,-

اور ولوگوں کو جب کوئی دکھ پہنچتا ہے تو اپنے رب کی طرف رجوع ہو کر اسے پکارتے ہیں پھر جب وہ انہیں اپنی رحمت کا مزہ چکھاتا ہے توایک گروہ ان میں سے اپنے رب سے شرک کرنے لگتا ہے​

In above verse 30:33, very simple interpretation can be that when men are in trouble they call Allah for help but when Allah bless them they start doing SHIRK with Allah.

This is a very serious issue as there is no forgiveness from Allah for this act. Muslims are calling others like Hazrat Ali, Ghous e Azam and Chushti etc. for help, which is clear SHIRK.
Unless we debate among our Muslim brother they would continue doing doing these SHIRKIA activities.

May Allah give hidayat to all Muslims including myself towards the right path (Aameen)

No Its no Shirk

ALLAH has given power to PROPHET PBUH , AULIYA ALLAH AND OTHER pious people

whatever THEY distribute is from ALLAH they are Waseela. & Same as u r sick and go to Doctor. Doctor only give u medicine and advice how u will get well and ALLAH give Shifa

 

[Pakistani1947]

No Its no Shirk

ALLAH has given power to PROPHET PBUH , AULIYA ALLAH AND OTHER pious people

whatever THEY distribute is from ALLAH they are Waseela. & Same as u r sick and go to Doctor. Doctor only give u medicine and advice how u will get well and ALLAH give Shifa

At the moment I have to rush. So I would just copy and paste post # 21 by member Hussain 1967 , I found that the member explained the SHIRK in very simple words. I hope it will do the job otherwise I will be in touch with you later, Insha-Allah.

Following is post by Hussain 1967:

You are mixing up two entirely different things to save your ‘babas’. Getting or asking help from some living person or group of people through zaahiri asbaab is not Shirk at all. Rather, it is commandment of Allah. See Surah Araaf for proof.

However, if you ask for help from a living person without zaahiri asbaab ( maafooqul asbaab), it too is Shirk. For example, if you ask help from someone who is a living person but is not physically present in front of you, he wouldn’t be able to help you and you will be committing Shirk. Don’t use any physical means ( e.g. telephone) to prove your point. Telephone, radio, TV etc. all work on Physical laws of nature same as Sun, Moon etc. Just do one experiment. Ask for help from someone without using any physical mean ( telephone, letter etc.). Call for someone for help in your town or Mohalla and see what happens. If a living person can’t listen and respond to you when he is not in front of you, how come a dead person who is hundreds or thousands of Kilometres away will help you.

As far as asking help from people who left this world (died through any means including Shuhadaa), it is 100% shirk because they can’t listen you, and they can’t respond you. Try making a telephone call to a dead person or asking a glass of water from a dead person and see what happens. This same person, when he was alive, could have talked to you on phone and could have given you a glass of water.

Finally, what do you people get by protecting these baabas ( wali, ghous, qutab, abdaal, peer)? Why don’t you leave all babaas and other dead people at their own? Their own matter is with their Allah. Instead of asking help from them, you should help them by praying for them from Allah which might benefit them in grave. This is proven from Quraan Hadiths.

Put all your efforts to please Allah by praising Him through various means (acting upon five basic pillars of Islam, Zikr, duaa, helping others etc), acting upon the sayings of Holy Prophet Muhammad ( PBUH) and offering Durood upon him. In this way, you will be able to please Allah and get Shifaat of Prophet ( PBUH). This is the only shifaat ( sifaarish) which is proven from Quran and Hadith with authenticity

Source

 

[Wake Up Pakistan]

At the moment I have to rush. So I would just copy and paste post # 21 by member Hussain 1967 , I found that the member explained the SHIRK in very simple words. I hope it will do the job otherwise I will be in touch with you later, Insha-Allah.

Following is post by Hussain 1967:

You are mixing up two entirely different things to save your ‘babas’. Getting or asking help from some living person or group of people through zaahiri asbaab is not Shirk at all. Rather, it is commandment of Allah. See Surah Araaf for proof.

However, if you ask for help from a living person without zaahiri asbaab ( maafooqul asbaab), it too is Shirk. For example, if you ask help from someone who is a living person but is not physically present in front of you, he wouldn’t be able to help you and you will be committing Shirk. Don’t use any physical means ( e.g. telephone) to prove your point. Telephone, radio, TV etc. all work on Physical laws of nature same as Sun, Moon etc. Just do one experiment. Ask for help from someone without using any physical mean ( telephone, letter etc.). Call for someone for help in your town or Mohalla and see what happens. If a living person can’t listen and respond to you when he is not in front of you, how come a dead person who is hundreds or thousands of Kilometres away will help you.

As far as asking help from people who left this world (died through any means including Shuhadaa), it is 100% shirk because they can’t listen you, and they can’t respond you. Try making a telephone call to a dead person or asking a glass of water from a dead person and see what happens. This same person, when he was alive, could have talked to you on phone and could have given you a glass of water.

Finally, what do you people get by protecting these baabas ( wali, ghous, qutab, abdaal, peer)? Why don’t you leave all babaas and other dead people at their own? Their own matter is with their Allah. Instead of asking help from them, you should help them by praying for them from Allah which might benefit them in grave. This is proven from Quraan Hadiths.

Put all your efforts to please Allah by praising Him through various means (acting upon five basic pillars of Islam, Zikr, duaa, helping others etc), acting upon the sayings of Holy Prophet Muhammad ( PBUH) and offering Durood upon him. In this way, you will be able to please Allah and get Shifaat of Prophet ( PBUH). This is the only shifaat ( sifaarish) which is proven from Quran and Hadith with authenticity

Source

Is this Shirk to ask your parents to make due for my success ? just asking