BECAUSE OF JINNAH'S WRONG DECISION PAKISTAN LOST KASHMIR

taban

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
یہ چریا وڈیو کے آخر میں اپنے گندے منہ سے خود ہی بک رہا ہے کہ یہ پارٹیشن کے خلاف ہے یعنی پاکستان بننے کے خلاف ہے یعنی پاکستان میں رہتے ہوئے پاکستان کے خلاف ہے اگر یہ انڈیا میں ہوتا تو آج اس کی حالت کسی کتے سے کم نہ ہوتی سالے جس تھالی میں کھاتے ہیں اسی میں چھید کرتے ہیں
 

iltaf

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
بھائی ایک طرف تو تم لوگ جناح کو غلط فیصلے کرنے کا الزام دے رہے ہو جسکی وجہ سے
کشمیر ہمارے ہاتھ سے نکل گیا ...اور دوسری طرف کہتے ہو جناح نے کچھ برا نہیں کیا.؟
یہ تو سراسر منافقت ہوئی ؟……..اب اس میں کیا
Sir, har insaan ki achain aur burain hoti h. bs yahi koshish ti mri. me smjha ni paya shaed.
 

ranaji

President (40k+ posts)
جو خود بھونک رہا ہے کہ یہ پارٹیشن بننے کے خلاف ہے جو پارٹیشن کے ہی خلاف ہے ایسے نطفہ حرام کو اپنی ۔۔۔۔کے ساتھ برا بھلا انڈیا ہی جاکر کرانا چاہیے ایسے نطفہ حرام خنزیر النسل کا پاکستان بننے کے خلاف بھونکنا ؟ پھر یہ تو یہی بھونک رہا ہے کہ پارٹیشن کے ساتھ ایگری نہیں کرتا تو پھر پاکستان کے بارے میں بھونکتا کیوں ہے قائد اعظم کی خلاف بھونک کر حرامُزدگی کیوں کرتا ہے نطفہ حرام کانگریسی بھڑوے
 

Bubber Shair

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
جب ایک بندہ تقسیم ہند کے خلاف ہے تو وہ کیسے جناح کی تعریف کرسکتا ہے؟
اس کی تو اولین کوشش یہی ہوگی کہ جناح کی شخصیت میں کیڑے نکالے
ویسے جناح صاحب جتنا کرگئے تھے ہم سے تو اتنا بھی نہ سنبھالا گیا مزید لے کر کیا کرنا تھا؟
اگر جناح صاحب نہ ہوتے تو اتنا بھی نہ ہوتا جتنا وہ کرگئے لوگ ڈرائینگ روم میں بیٹھ کر تبصرے کررہے ہوتے ہیں کہ یہاں پر غلطی کی اگر ایسا کرلیتے تو کیا بات تھی؟ ان بھڑووں کو بتاو کہ جناح کی ایک ٹانگ دہلی دوسری ممبئی اور تیسری مسلم اکثریتی علاقوں میں ہوتی تھی ایک منٹ کا آرام نہیں تھا ادھر نہرو اور گاندھی جیسے لیڈر اور ادھر بیمار مگر جینیس لیڈر جس کو لیڈری کا شوق نہیں تھا پر لوگ اس کے علاوہ کسی کو دیکھتے بھی نہیں تھے
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
22 crore people saying "Kashmir bany ga Pakistan"
140 crore people saying " Kashmir is an atoot ang of India"
145 crore people saying " Aksai chan of Kashmir is part of China"

War will end in stalemate lot of misery with no solution . Peace is a only way forward. For peace you need to respect the claim of every concerned party only reasonable solution left is " jo jisky pass hai wo uska "
Thats basically what I said, turn the LOC's into international borders and be done with it.
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
Qaid e Azam wanted to have both Kashmir n Hyderabad. How can you imply he lost Kashmir on purpose?
His geo politics were not very for lack of a better term not very strong. There was no way possible to have Hyderabad which is in deep Indian territory and 1200kms away from the nearest Pakistani border.

So asking for things which were impossible and not practical was a mistake. Even East Pakistan was a mistake, having part of your country totally separated and 1500kms was very impractical and later history proved it to be.

He was a great leader and all 200 million of us cannot thank him enough for giving us Pakistan but like I said his geo politics weren't as sharp as they could have been.
 

Lubnakhan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Quaid did requested indians to allow Pakistan to build a road that would connect east and west Pakistan, but this request was denied!! So thinking that he didn’t have clue of future problems was absolutely wrong!!how could east Pakistan not be a part of initial Pakistan, they had pivotal role in struggle for independence, even though they ditched us, still a large number of Muslims living in Bangladesh are living freely.so in the end it’s not exactly a loss!!there was no better way of doing what Jinnah did!!
 

aneeskhan

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Jinnah famous for thinking very much, once concluded he was always firm never thought our Jannah Sani U-Turn.
Urf e Aam mein Maazarat key Saath “ Tharki “ who made Political Cartier of Gandhi & Nehru distressful.Nehru was happy to get rid of Jinnah but Gandhi was sad.
On fall facts of that era Pakistan was impossible impossible impossible
But Tharki Mezaj of Jinnah made possible.
 

aneeskhan

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
The way Pakistan grew in 60’s by then best Bureaucrats spoiled by Bhutto advising Ayub to go for War was first disaster, then giving power to Yahya biggest blunder.
Then Pakistan again rose in 80s stabilisation of economy, F16 in Pakistan, Nuke in Pakistan created havoc in Indian establishment what ended in Zia’s assassination.
Pakistan again went Chaos in 90s Sharif Bhutto lootamari.
Then Musharraf gave a very profound Pakistan , Indian hawkish leaders bow down to him . Gave ever best reception to him in Agra what India never given to any one in history.
Again conspiracy moved him out .
Now Pakistan at Reham Karam of Aaro Bharo Gharoos
 

aneeskhan

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
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aneeskhan

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
One thing for Sure can be said where Jinnah’s most enemy Indian Pakistani Britishers believe equally
“ If no Jinnah No Pakistan of few inches not possible definitely “
 

AhmadSaleem264

Minister (2k+ posts)
The same professor who declared Partition a blunder and Quaid as selfish is now arguing that it was quaids fault. The quickest way for being famous
 

AhmadSaleem264

Minister (2k+ posts)
His geo politics were not very for lack of a better term not very strong. There was no way possible to have Hyderabad which is in deep Indian territory and 1200kms away from the nearest Pakistani border.

So asking for things which were impossible and not practical was a mistake. Even East Pakistan was a mistake, having part of your country totally separated and 1500kms was very impractical and later history proved it to be.

He was a great leader and all 200 million of us cannot thank him enough for giving us Pakistan but like I said his geo politics weren't as sharp as they could have been.
Usa has alaska, france also has foreign territories and UK has falkland islands, Even eastern India is just connected to mainland India via a narrow chicken's neck corridor. The main problem was the ethnic and cultural disconnect between east and west Pakistan.
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
Usa has alaska, france also has foreign territories and UK has falkland islands, Even eastern India is just connected to mainland India via a narrow chicken's neck corridor. The main problem was the ethnic and cultural disconnect between east and west Pakistan.
Pakistan was at that time a country just about to hatch out of its egg, and just like a new born couldn't tell the difference between its elbows or its knees. Britain was a well established war hardened centuries old country before it started to expand it's empire. And the United states bought Alaska from the Russians and there is Canada a friendly and pro American country with open borders in between. Not enemy number one.

Hyderabad and Bangladesh both would have made sense even if they even had a thin chicken neck strip of land connecting them to the mainland.
 

zulfiqarali

MPA (400+ posts)
They say hindsight is 20/20. Reading history in today's light is the worst type reading, you have to understand the events in their own context of 1947. May be at the time Kashmir was a given and Pakistanis considered it as something no even worth worrying, the reality is that Hyderabad and Kashmir are completely opposite, with Muslim government and hindu majority and hindu/sikh government with Muslim majority. You can say that it was a miscalculation but to say that it was a wrong decision is dishonest.
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
They say hindsight is 20/20. Reading history in today's light is the worst type reading, you have to understand the events in their own context of 1947. May be at the time Kashmir was a given and Pakistanis considered it as something no even worth worrying, the reality is that Hyderabad and Kashmir are completely opposite, with Muslim government and hindu majority and hindu/sikh government with Muslim majority. You can say that it was a miscalculation but to say that it was a wrong decision is dishonest.
No I would still say it was a wrong decision. Like I said there is no way a mini Pakistani enclave could exist deep inside India. Anyone could see that, same case with Junagardh. Lets say somehow that did happen.

And with the relations or the lack there off we have with India today. That would hold an ace of spade that India would use against us. Every time it wanted to squeeze us it would simply squeeze the enclave which is landlocked surrounded by India for a 1000kms on all sides. It would be the first to fall in any of the wars we had with India.
 
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