Our Earth is stationary (ساکن)! Breaking revelation by Pakistani Aalims

Citizen X

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Haha atleast you are admitting for once that you could be wrong ( as you say in my case ) so you could also be wrong about the globe earth.? Tell me, did you ever bother to look into this flat earth theory? and the relevant arguments? If not then how can you say it is wrong?
First do some research and then come talk.
Oh I've been messing with flat earthers at the very least for 3 years now watched all the videos and heard all the "arguments" I put the word argument in quotes but in reality its actually just BS that even a 6 year old child can debunk in 30 seconds.

But I must admit flat earthers really are comedy gold.
 

Star Wars

MPA (400+ posts)
What I meant is there’s no genetic evidence that human were initially chimpanzees and through evolution and natural selection became human -
What folks usually refer to evolution is a stage by stage development of any organism - for example during embryonic development all cells have complete genomic material - known as pluripotent or stem cells - through gene expression they become e.g retina, muscle, nerves etc. this is of course an established scientific fact..
Are you implying that Javed Ghamidi is wrong in believing in evolution?
 

There is only 1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Yaar tum ko apni aqal pe matam kerna chaiye. Tum logon ke mutabiq Quran sirf Syedna Ali r.a ke tareef ka qaseeda hai, us mein sirf Syedna Ali r.a ke ilawa aur kuch bhi nahi hai.

Quran mein jo lag bag 78,000 ke qareeb huroof hain un sub ka tarjuma tum logon ke Ali kiya hai. Tum apnay tarjumay ko kholo to shuru hota hai Ali ali ali ali ali ali, aur akhri safay tak ali ali ali ali ali. hai aur kuch bhi nahi.
اے بد زبان ماریہ ! کتنی بار تمھیں کہا ہے کہ ڈس لائک کر کے اپنا کتھارسس نکال لیا کرو
تمہارے جسم اور تمہاری رائے پر کوئی تھوکتا بھی نہیں
 

Citizen X

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)

اے بد زبان ماریہ ! کتنی بار تمھیں کہا ہے کہ ڈس لائک کر کے اپنا کتھارسس نکال لیا کرو
تمہارے جسم اور تمہاری رائے پر کوئی تھوکتا بھی نہیں
Taap kyun rahe ho sarkar, kuch ghalat bola ho to batao.
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
yes..the ayat he quoted is from Surah Qaaf
wherein the main topic is about answering a question of disbeliver
and to answer it Quran uses agriculture as an example..so when Allah say earth is spread out , it is intended for agricultural activity. Quran is not talking about a scientific fact in those ayah of Surah Qaf or the shape of earth but is speaking that earth is spread out and from sky it receives water etc

The worst we do to Quran is when we start quoting ayas out of context
I thought just one clear verse is enough to prove that earth is not stationary. Anyhow, let me give the full context from Qur'an:

(Qur'an 36:40) لَا الشَّمْسُ يَنبَغِي لَهَا أَن تُدْرِكَ الْقَمَرَ وَلَا اللَّيْلُ سَابِقُ النَّهَارِ ۚ وَكُلٌّ فِي فَلَكٍ يَسْبَحُونَ​
It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor does the night outstrip the day. They all float, each in an orbit.
نہ سورج کی مجال ہے ہ چاند کو جا پکڑے اور نہ رات ہی دن سے پہلے آ سکتی ہے اور ہر ایک ایک آسمان میں تیرتا پھرتا ہے


(Qur'an 39:5)
خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ بِالْحَقِّ ۖ يُكَوِّرُ اللَّيْلَ عَلَى النَّهَارِ وَيُكَوِّرُ النَّهَارَ عَلَى اللَّيْلِ ۖ وَسَخَّرَ الشَّمْسَ وَالْقَمَرَ ۖ كُلٌّ يَجْرِي لِأَجَلٍ مُّسَمًّى ۗ أَلَا هُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الْغَفَّارُ​
He created the heavens and the earth in true (proportions): He makes the Night overlap the Day, and the Day overlap the Night: He has subjected the sun and the moon (to His law): Each one follows a course for a time appointed. Is not He the Exalted in Power - He Who forgives again and again?
اس نے آسمانوں اور زمین کو حکمت سے پیدا کیا وہ رات کو دن پر لپیٹ دیتا ہے اور دن کو رات پر لپیٹ دیتا ہے اور اس نے سورج اور چاند کو تابع کر دیا ہے ہر ایک وقت مقرر تک چل رہا ہے خبرادار! وہی غالب بخشنے والا ہے

The Arabic word "Kura كرة" means ball; the Quran used its verb "Yukawer يُكَوِّرُ" meaning to make into a ball. The Quran says that the overlapping of the night and the day makes a ball (sphere).
"ALL MOVE (Kullon Yajree كُلٌّ يَجْرِي)" here the Quran is referring to ALL MOVING, not only the sun and moon but also Earth. In Arabic grammar there is difference between the singular (one), binary (two) and plural (three or more). The reference to binary is "Kulahuma Yajreean كلاهما يجريان" however the Quran said "Kullon yajree كُلٌّ يَجْرِي" referring to the plural (three or more). Since the sun and moon are just two but the Quran refers to three or more then according to the Quran all the three move: sun, moon and Earth.

The Qur'an says that the earth has a diameter (Qur'an 55, 33)
(Qur'an 55:33) يَا مَعْشَرَ الْجِنِّ وَالْإِنسِ إِنِ اسْتَطَعْتُمْ أَن تَنفُذُوا مِنْ أَقْطَارِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ فَانفُذُوا ۚ لَا تَنفُذُونَ إِلَّا بِسُلْطَانٍ​
O assembly of jinn and men! If you have power to pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, then pass beyond (them)! But you will never be able to pass them, except with authority (from Allah)!
اے جنوں اور انسانوں کے گروہ اگر تم آسمانوں اور زمین کی حدود سے باہر نکل سکتے ہو تو نکل جاؤ تم بغیر زور کے نہ نکل سکو گے (اور وہ ہے نہیں)

Diameter in Arabic is Kutr قطر. Its plural is Aktar اقطار. Radii and diameters are properties of circles or spheres only. This conforms with the previous verse, to make into a ball [Yukawer يُكَوِّرُ].


(Qur'an 50:7) وَالْأَرْضَ مَدَدْنَاهَا وَأَلْقَيْنَا فِيهَا رَوَاسِيَ وَأَنبَتْنَا فِيهَا مِن كُلِّ زَوْجٍ بَهِيجٍ​
And the earth- We have spread it out, and set thereon mountains standing firm, and produced therein every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs)-
اور ہم نے زمین کو بچھا دیا اوراس میں مضبوط ڈال دیے اور اس میں ہر قسم کی خوشنما چیزیں اگائیں

According to above verse, Qur'an says that Allah Almighty spread the earth. The Qur'an used the words "وَالْأَرْضَ مَدَدْنَاهَا", whose translation into Arabic grammar is to expand the surface area of earth during its creation. This does not prove at all that the Qur'an calls the earth smooth or Flat. For a Flat or smooth surface, there is an arabic word used "مسطح" and its verb is "سطح". But the Qur'an does not use any of these words. The Qur'an says that Allah Almighty expanded the earth, which means to expand the surface area of the round earth.
 
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There is only 1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Taap kyun rahe ho sarkar, kuch ghalat bola ho to batao.
تمہارے سدھرنے کی امید تو نہیں لیکن پھر بھی میں بتا ہی دیتا ہوں
، . . . .
میں نے اس کمنٹ میں قرآن کی آیات کی وضاحت پڑھنے کی تلقین کی تھی ، اگر کوئی ان آیات کی وضاحت پڑھے اور کہے کہ اسے سمجھ نہیں آئی یا اسے وضاحت غلط لگ رہی ہے تو آگے بات بھی کرنے کا مزہ آئے
لیکن شاید حضرت علی کا ذکر سن کر تمہارا دماغ سن ہو گیا اور تم نے فضول نقطہ اٹھایا
. . . . . . . . . . . .
اس سے پہلے تم ایک متواتر حدیث کا انکار کر چکے ہوں ، متواتر حدیث یعنی جس کے سو سے زیادہ جلیل القدر صحابی راوی ہیں جو شیعہ سنی سب کے نزدیک متواتر حدیث صحیح ہے
یہ بات تمام مسالک میں مانی جاتی ہے کہ متواتر حدیث کا /کی منکر کافر ہے
. . . . . .
اس سے بھی پہلے میں نے تمھیں کئی آیات کی وضاحت دی تھی تم نے سوال کرنے یا دلیل سے رد کرنے کی بجائے "میڈ اپ سٹوریز " کہہ کر اپنی جہالت کا ثبوت دیا لہٰذا تم پر مزید وقت ضائع کرنا میں مناسب نہیں سمجھتا
تو اب آئندہ پہلے متواتر حدیث سے متعلق اپنا عقیدہ واضح کرنا ، پھر ہی تم سے کوئی بات کی جائے گی
 

Prince of Dhump

MPA (400+ posts)
Yes Prince I read that aaya too but it only mentions the sun and the moon floating in their orbits but does not mention the earth?

u referred that earth is spread out..thats a quote from different ayat which is not about moon and sun. Its from Surah Qaaf
Thats why i urge you to read it. Its in the starting ayas so if u would read it from the start and learn the context of it you would come to know that Allah is saying that the earth is spread out for agricultural acitivity..
 

superman99

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Are you implying that Javed Ghamidi is wrong in believing in evolution?
In his video he’s not saying that human primitive form was ape or chimpanzee - our genes most closely related to their e.g human have 23 pair of chromosomes whereas they’ve 24.. my training is in cancer genomics and there’s so much undiscovered. Even though human genome has been sequenced but the functions are not fully known, therefore anything said about gene expression or function is mere speculation - it’s a theory
 

Star Wars

MPA (400+ posts)
In his video he’s not saying that human primitive form was ape or chimpanzee - our genes most closely related to their e.g human have 23 pair of chromosomes whereas they’ve 24.. my training is in cancer genomics and there’s so much undiscovered. Even though human genome has been sequenced but the functions are not fully known, therefore anything said about gene expression or function is mere speculation - it’s a theory
So what is Javed Ghamidi saying?

PS: I’m not interested to hear stories of what you do in dream world.
 

Prince of Dhump

MPA (400+ posts)
What do you mean by different take? Javed Ghamidi has proposed his own theory? No you need to watch the video again. He is favouring Darwinism.
haha watch the video..specially the end of it where he mocks darwanian evolution

the term evolution does not always mean that of 'darwanian evolution'. Ghamdi uses it in different perspective.
his take on evolution is that of Quran
that humans that were initially created were not in this shape/form. Just like in these days we make hybrid animals/trees etc humans were also evolved/hybradised through mating
 

Star Wars

MPA (400+ posts)
haha watch the video..specially the end of it where he mocks darwanian evolution

the term evolution does not always mean that of 'darwanian evolution'. Ghamdi uses it in different perspective.
his take on evolution is that of Quran
that humans that were initially created were not in this shape/form. Just like in these days we make hybrid animals/trees etc humans were also evolved/hybradised through mating
Science fact says masturbation is good for health. Why does Ghamidi oppose a scientific fact?
 

Star Wars

MPA (400+ posts)
References:

While it once was regarded as a perversion and a sign of a mental problem, masturbation now is regarded as a normal, healthy sexual activity that is pleasant, fulfilling, acceptable, and safe. It is a good way to experience sexual pleasure and can be done throughout life.

 

Star Wars

MPA (400+ posts)
Reference:

Masturbation is a normal and healthy sexual activity with few side effects.

 

Prince of Dhump

MPA (400+ posts)
Science fact says masturbation is good for health. Why does Ghamidi oppose a scientific fact?
😅
ghamdi does not oppose it in his personal capacity..
He might simply say that masturbation is haram bcz Islam forbade it and thats all..

ur question should be why Islam forbade mastrubation and not 'why ghamdi opposes masturbation'
 

Star Wars

MPA (400+ posts)
😅
ghamdi does not oppose it in his personal capacity..
He might simply say that masturbation is haram bcz Islam forbade it and thats all..

ur question should be why Islam forbade mastrubation and not 'why ghamdi opposes masturbation'
When did he say ‘Islam forbids masturbation explicitly’. The Quran does not even mention anything about masturbation. He does not derive his decisions based on Hadith. How low are you going to stoop to defend his nuisance?
 
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Prince of Dhump

MPA (400+ posts)
When did he say ‘Islam forbids masturbation explicitly’. The Quran does not even mention anything about masturbation. He does not derive his decisions based on Hadith. How low are you going to stoop to defend his nuisance?
haha not that i agree with it but ghamdi doesnt oppose masturbation
watch the video plz
 
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