Pakistan need a better system to manage Government Development Projects

Nadir Bashir

Minister (2k+ posts)
Pakistan need a better system to manage Government Projects at small and medium level especially.

Tendering process need to be made a bit fair and comprehensive in a way that the chances of corruption are minimized at the bureaucratic level.
This can be achieved by introdicing softwares and controlling the infinite powers available to bureaucracy.

What is the purpose of investing on infrastructure.

1. To develop infrastructure
2. To Facilitate people
3. To provide and create jobs

However, what is happening is quite strange and umimagineable,

Contractor starts paying bribe from tendering level to every stage of the project such as 10% for bureaucrate, 10% for the politician and so on............... This must be stopped and its not difficult to stop.

Also Government sector investment is not creating jobs instead money is going in few hands in the form of kick backs starting from clerks to upper level....................So how to manage and control............

1. Best system is Government shall develop a software where Government can pay to the Contractors in the bank accounts instead of cash. There shall be no other way to pay to Contractors.

2. Contractor shall provide a list of account of employees where manpower cost shall be disimbursed as per weightage provided by the Contractor in the tendering documents.

3. Employees shall not be repeated on pay scale and relatives and others shall be counted in case of any discrepencies.

4. Contractors providing more minimum manpower list shall be preffered.

5. The balance amount as per progress of the project verified by a third party shall be paid directly to the account of the Company.

6. Government shall develop a progress measurement system as part of tender documents.

7. In this way, Government can know how much new jobs are created and money circulation in people other than few hands.

We need to develop better systems. I do not know why we are still giving control in the hands of few people. Yes there shall be controls, but in a systematic way so that there are no chances of corruption and bribe....................Bureaucrates shall be only for administrative checks than the authority..........................
 
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Munawarkhan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Govt did a whole press conference on this issue after proper investigation and plans on how they are integrating new softwares to manage govt purchasing.



Pakistan need a better system to manage Government Projects at small and medium level especially.

Tendering process need to be made a bit fair and comprehensive in a way that the chances of corruption are minimized at the bureaucratic level.
This can be achieved by introdicing softwares and controlling the infinite powers available to bureaucracy.

What is the purpose of investing on infrastructure.

1. To develop infrastructure
2. To Facilitate people
3. To provide and create jobs

However, what is happening is quite strange and umimagineable,

Contractor starts paying bribe from tendering level to every stage of the project such as 10% for bureaucrate, 10% for the politician and so on............... This must be stopped and its not difficult to stop.

Also Government sector investment is not creating jobs instead money is going in few hands in the form of kick backs starting from clerks to upper level....................So how to manage and control............

1. Best system is Government shall develop a software where Government can pay to the Contractors in the bank accounts instead of cash. There shall be no other way to pay to Contractors.

2. Contractor shall provide a list of account of employees where manpower cost shall be disimbursed as per weightage provided by the Contractor in the tendering documents.

3. Employees shall not be repeated on pay scale and relatives and others shall be counted in case of any discrepencies.

4. Contractors providing more minimum manpower list shall be preffered.

5. The balance amount as per progress of the project verified by a third party shall be paid directly to the account of the Company.

6. Government shall develop a progress measurement system as part of tender documents.

7. In this way, Government can know how much new jobs are created and money circulation in people other than few hands.

We need to develop better systems. I do not know why we are still giving control in the hands of few people. Yes there shall be controls, but in a systematic way so that there are no chances of corruption and bribe....................Bureaucrates shall be only for administrative checks than the authority..........................
 

3rd_Umpire

Minister (2k+ posts)
زرا سوچیں کہ 79 ارب میں بھاشا ڈیم بننے جا رہا ہے جو 4500 میگا واٹ بجلی دےگا اور
ایک نفسیاتی مریض نے مالٹا ٹرین پر 300 ارب جھونک دیا ۔
سالانہ دس ارب خسارہ الگ
 

Dr Adam

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Pakistan need a better system to manage Government Projects at small and medium level especially.

Tendering process need to be made a bit fair and comprehensive in a way that the chances of corruption are minimized at the bureaucratic level.
This can be achieved by introdicing softwares and controlling the infinite powers available to bureaucracy.

What is the purpose of investing on infrastructure.

1. To develop infrastructure
2. To Facilitate people
3. To provide and create jobs

However, what is happening is quite strange and umimagineable,

Contractor starts paying bribe from tendering level to every stage of the project such as 10% for bureaucrate, 10% for the politician and so on............... This must be stopped and its not difficult to stop.

Also Government sector investment is not creating jobs instead money is going in few hands in the form of kick backs starting from clerks to upper level....................So how to manage and control............

1. Best system is Government shall develop a software where Government can pay to the Contractors in the bank accounts instead of cash. There shall be no other way to pay to Contractors.

2. Contractor shall provide a list of account of employees where manpower cost shall be disimbursed as per weightage provided by the Contractor in the tendering documents.

3. Employees shall not be repeated on pay scale and relatives and others shall be counted in case of any discrepencies.

4. Contractors providing more minimum manpower list shall be preffered.

5. The balance amount as per progress of the project verified by a third party shall be paid directly to the account of the Company.

6. Government shall develop a progress measurement system as part of tender documents.

7. In this way, Government can know how much new jobs are created and money circulation in people other than few hands.

We need to develop better systems. I do not know why we are still giving control in the hands of few people. Yes there shall be controls, but in a systematic way so that there are no chances of corruption and bribe....................Bureaucrates shall be only for administrative checks than the authority..........................

Nadir: If you ask for my input on your thread then let me say it with all the wisdom Allah has bestowed me with!
I agree, in fact totally agree with all the points you have raised, however in my opinion though very important they are... but they are of secondary nature, i.e,. they acquire the 2nd seat on the table.
In my opinion.... and I may sound off color on this, but the primary and the foremost responsibility this nation has, is to insure: OUR COURTS MUST PROVIDE JUSTICE .
I rest my case as follows:
When the Germans were bombing London, Prime Minister Winston Churchill was briefed on the casualties and economic collapse. He asked, “Are the courts functioning?” When told that the judges were dispensing justice as normal, Churchill replied, “Thank God. If the courts are working, nothing can go wrong.”
 

Nadir Bashir

Minister (2k+ posts)
Nadir: If you ask for my input on your thread then let me say it with all the wisdom Allah has bestowed me with!
I agree, in fact totally agree with all the points you have raised, however in my opinion though very important they are... but they are of secondary nature, i.e,. they acquire the 2nd seat on the table.
In my opinion.... and I may sound off color on this, but the primary and the foremost responsibility this nation has, is to insure: OUR COURTS MUST PROVIDE JUSTICE .
I rest my case as follows:
When the Germans were bombing London, Prime Minister Winston Churchill was briefed on the casualties and economic collapse. He asked, “Are the courts functioning?” When told that the judges were dispensing justice as normal, Churchill replied, “Thank God. If the courts are working, nothing can go wrong.”
You are right. Justice system is important of all.
But Government does not have two third Majority or even a simple majority. President has been made useless.
The elite sitting in assemblies will not let it change.

Only thing is CJ can do through his powers to make correction and introduce check and balance. But CJ is also product of this system.


I think, its beyind their capacity.
 

Dr Adam

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I think, its beyind their capacity.


(لاکن (یہ ارتغرل والا لیکن ہے

میرا ماننا ہے کہ

نہیں ہے نا امید اقبال اپنی کشت ویران سے
ذرا نم ہو تو یہ مٹی بہت زرخیز ہے ساقی

اور زندگی نے مجھے ہمیشہ مثبت سوچ رکھنے کا درس سکھایا ہے
 

Nadir Bashir

Minister (2k+ posts)


(لاکن (یہ ارتغرل والا لیکن ہے

میرا ماننا ہے کہ

نہیں ہے نا امید اقبال اپنی کشت ویران سے
ذرا نم ہو تو یہ مٹی بہت زرخیز ہے ساقی

اور زندگی نے مجھے ہمیشہ مثبت سوچ رکھنے کا درس سکھایا ہے
So what is the best option.

You know i was shocked when Sugar and Power inquiry commission report came. Opposition and people should have supported Government on this issue and should have strengthened Government negotiations position.

Instead people and opposition stood with mafia.

To me best option is that Government shall form a open hearing committee to discuss judicial reforms. Back door working is not going to work instead it is creating conpiracies.

Government shall announce it openly and shall start working on this. In the mean time, even they do not have to work much. Already best systems are available in the world and we have to pick, discuss, redraft and implement.

But problem is in the organizational operational structure which can be corrected only by SC.
 

Dr Adam

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
So what is the best option.

You know i was shocked when Sugar and Power inquiry commission report came. Opposition and people should have supported Government on this issue and should have strengthened Government negotiations position.

Instead people and opposition stood with mafia.

To me best option is that Government shall form a open hearing committee to discuss judicial reforms. Back door working is not going to work instead it is creating conpiracies.

Government shall announce it openly and shall start working on this. In the mean time, even they do not have to work much. Already best systems are available in the world and we have to pick, discuss, redraft and implement.

But problem is in the organizational operational structure which can be corrected only by SC.
Again you hit the nail in the head.
Your point is legit and VERY valid. All the previous governments in this country had in the past, and even the present government has failed to understand that any program, project or per se judicial reforms are for the people.... the biggest stake holders in any sovereign State, and unless you get the input from the people everything else is meaningless, rubbish and a hogwash. Once the people of Pakistan has their input in the judicial reforms even the Supreme Court cannot dare throw them out of window as that is the will of the people protected in the preamble of the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.
 
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