Why political parties are afraid of an electronic voting system .

Logic

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)

مشین کو ہیک کرنے کی ضرورت ہی نہیں ہوگی جناب.
ایک فون کال ہی کافی ہے . آخر ہارڈویئر اور سافٹ ویئر پاکستانی اداروں نے ہی تو تیار کرنے ہیں . اگر پریزائڈنگ افسر راستہ بھول سکتے ہیں تو وہ سافٹ ویئر اور ہارڈویئر انجنیئر کیوں نہیں بھول سکتے .
 

desan

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
India used to have similar issues.

However, since the start of EVMs in 2004, you don't hear those complaints.
 
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desan

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)

مشین کو ہیک کرنے کی ضرورت ہی نہیں ہوگی جناب.
ایک فون کال ہی کافی ہے . آخر ہارڈویئر اور سافٹ ویئر پاکستانی اداروں نے ہی تو تیار کرنے ہیں . اگر پریزائڈنگ افسر راستہ بھول سکتے ہیں تو وہ سافٹ ویئر اور ہارڈویئر انجنیئر کیوں نہیں بھول سکتے .

Then why the rigging mafia is so afraid.

BTW: These EVMs are much simpler and supposed to leave a paper trail that can be tallied with e-results...
 

shujauddin

Minister (2k+ posts)
Then why the rigging mafia is so afraid.

BTW: These EVMs are much simpler and supposed to leave a paper trail that can be tallied with e-results...

مشین کو ہیک کرنے کی ضرورت ہی نہیں ہوگی جناب.
ایک فون کال ہی کافی ہے . آخر ہارڈویئر اور سافٹ ویئر پاکستانی اداروں نے ہی تو تیار کرنے ہیں . اگر پریزائڈنگ افسر راستہ بھول سکتے ہیں تو وہ سافٹ ویئر اور ہارڈویئر انجنیئر کیوں نہیں بھول سکتے .

India used to have similar issues.

However, since the start of EVMs in 2004, you don't here those complaints in India.

Then why the rigging mafia is so afraid.

BTW: These EVMs are much simpler and supposed to leave a paper trail that can be tallied with e-results...
Youthioooo Chotiyoo ! In a country like Pakistan with a very poor and shanty experience in cyber security an electronic voting system will break all records of electoral corruption. Halat yeh hay kay ebay, amazon etc. does not trust cyber security in Pakistan and refuse to do business or tum keh rahay ho voting system? OOOO youthia chotiyeh wake up!
 

desan

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Youthioooo Chotiyoo ! In a country like Pakistan with a very poor and shanty experience in cyber security an electronic voting system will break all records of electoral corruption. Halat yeh hay kay ebay, amazon etc. does not trust cyber security in Pakistan and refuse to do business or tum keh rahay ho voting system? OOOO youthia chotiyeh wake up!

This combination of anxiety, apprehension and panic is quite understandable...
 

surfer

Minister (2k+ posts)
Youthioooo Chotiyoo ! In a country like Pakistan with a very poor and shanty experience in cyber security an electronic voting system will break all records of electoral corruption. Halat yeh hay kay ebay, amazon etc. does not trust cyber security in Pakistan and refuse to do business or tum keh rahay ho voting system? OOOO youthia chotiyeh wake up!
How do you know it will break all records when we don’t even know what the proposed solution is. From what I read the proposed solution may not even be online so a vast majority of hacking issues are removed.

I fear you are jumping the gun a bit (like you did when PDM was going to do a long March - and yet today there is no PDM and No long March) - perhaps you should use that recent experience and be a bit more patient and see the details of the proposed solution?
 

Okara

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)

مشین کو ہیک کرنے کی ضرورت ہی نہیں ہوگی جناب.
ایک فون کال ہی کافی ہے . آخر ہارڈویئر اور سافٹ ویئر پاکستانی اداروں نے ہی تو تیار کرنے ہیں . اگر پریزائڈنگ افسر راستہ بھول سکتے ہیں تو وہ سافٹ ویئر اور ہارڈویئر انجنیئر کیوں نہیں بھول سکتے .
Then why don't we having elections conducted by UNO under peace keeping forces?
 

Okara

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Youthioooo Chotiyoo ! In a country like Pakistan with a very poor and shanty experience in cyber security an electronic voting system will break all records of electoral corruption. Halat yeh hay kay ebay, amazon etc. does not trust cyber security in Pakistan and refuse to do business or tum keh rahay ho voting system? OOOO youthia chotiyeh wake up!
Sir what is your solution to make elections free and fair in Pakistan? If EVMs which won't be connected internet can be hacked then how the system to get Phone SIM is secure?
 

shujauddin

Minister (2k+ posts)
Sir what is your solution to make elections free and fair in Pakistan? If EVMs which won't be connected internet can be hacked then how the system to get Phone SIM is secure?
In person voting is best and followed in all developed nations including EU and Canada.
 

Okara

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
In person voting is best and followed in all developed nations including EU and Canada.
Are u saying we should keep conducting elections the same way as before? In current system how can we bring fairness and make sure no one can rig it?
 

Okara

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I think that would be a good start to build some trust and let the country move to what matters instead of always babbling about rigging
Lets assume, even if under UNO, our beloved party doesn't win the election, will we not blame UNO rigging the election in favor of winner?
What is ur opinion regarding this solution?
There won't be pre poll printed voting slip.
When a voter arrived at poling station, after proving his identity through bio-metric, camera will take picture, the machine will print a coded vote slip with a bar code created with 128bit Secret Key. The voter will use this slip and cast its vote like normal. Then to do counting the slips will be fed to counting machine which will make sure the slip is not counterfeit and if anyone challenging the result the paper trail can be used to prove it?
BTW the current proposed system is not different than above the only difference is that instead of putting stamp, the vote will be cast through voting machine.
 

shujauddin

Minister (2k+ posts)
Are u saying we should keep conducting elections the same way as before? In current system how can we bring fairness and make sure no one can rig it?
what has fairness to do with it? its like u saying Selling Apples is more fair than Selling Apricots and once would confront you and ask how come?

Tell us how electronic voting is more fair than in person voting. Please!
 

Okara

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
what has fairness to do with it? its like u saying Selling Apples is more fair than Selling Apricots and once would confront you and ask how come?

Tell us how electronic voting is more fair than in person voting. Please!
With EVM its less likely to rig than conventional way where PMLN/PPP kind of parties can print votes and cast them in bulk.
The World record of vote casting is still held by MQM. Where Nabil himself admitted the fact as below
https://www.geo.tv/latest/2189-rigging-got-me-140000-votes-in-na-246-nabil-gabol
 
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shujauddin

Minister (2k+ posts)

Okara

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The same corrupt people can modify/hack machines and cause an electoral havoc. Poor logic and does not make sense.
As mentioned not easy to hack EVMs along with paper trail. Yes with EVMs deads can't vote which is a norm in current system.
 

Okara

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
UN forces have personnel from all over the world. So i am not sure they can all be blamed for conspiracy against a specific party. Historically they have always been trusted all over the world. It is obviously very different from a country's own armed forces.

Regarding your other proposal, there are so many things wrong with that i am not even sure where the start but let me mention a few things.
The first thing is that it has software and you can easily program it to cast as many votes in favour of a specific candidate as you wish with the push of a button. EVM automatically counts the votes for you. So you can take action at any point. Unlike manual votes, rigging with EVM will just take a few minutes at most. EVM knows who has voted and who has not, so obviously it will only issue votes in the names of those who have not voted yet. For example, voting time finished and you see that your favorite candidate lacks 10k votes. just order the machine to print 10k votes and voila. You can obviously program the software to get the votes exactly how you want them.

Second problem will be voter's privacy. You can easily find who voted for whom. It obviously means that voters can be easily threatened.

Then there is of course the issue of hacking which will be very easy given that software will be developed locally and i am not sure if they will be really interesting in updating it timely. We know that from all other departments.

Then there will be the issue of bugs and software corruption. Machine malfunction. Imagine a machine malfunctions and you are looking for a software hadware engineer. Someone can even intentionally damage the machine etc. etc. you get the point.

Where you store them. In whose custody. The costs. The logistics etc. are all questions but less serious.
In which country elections were conducted by UN and people of the country called them free and fair? In recent history, elections were conducted in Afghanistan by Coalition forces, how many parties said were free and fair?
In terms of EVM, if a person can break 128bit encryption then he/she might be the first one to do that but still that person will need a physical access to the system as EVMs are not connected with network? Yes if someone damage machine still you will have a paper trail and worst case the election in that particular location can be re conducted.
In terms of Cost, is it okay to spend money on the printing, protecting ballots and yet people like PPP/PMLN/MQM can print ballots like original and then mix them with original. Whereas with EVM paper trail you can't mix with original as no two encrypted ballots will be same, even if are issued to the same person. Also elections can be conducted phase wise, like India is conducting.
 

Okara

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Did American switch to the system like ours? Also please go through this video and is saying there was no paper trail. In Pakistan system, first EVMs can't be access remotely. Secondly with paper trail. In this system beauity will be that deads won't be able to vote which is norm in Pakistan.
 
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