Zaid Hamid on Presidential System in Pakistan, Now or Never!

Wake up Pak

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Let me give you examples of elected presidents:
Presidents of Afghanistan
President of Iraq
Why presidential systems failed in Afghanistan and Iraq.
In Afghanistan and Iraq, it was more of a dictatorship than a presidential system.
More like what Musharraf did.
 

Okara

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
In Afghanistan and Iraq, it was more of a dictatorship than a presidential system.
More like what Musharraf did.
If dictators can't take advantage how a democratic president will be able to force civil administration or Judiciary to follow him?
Also let's assume Nawaz kind of person get elected as a president will it be okay for Pakistan? Countries don't work in virtual world. In Pakistan if dictator has to give NRO to corrupts then how do u think a civilian president can stand against criminals?
 

Wake up Pak

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
If dictators can't take advantage how a democratic president will be able to force civil administration or Judiciary to follow him?
Also let's assume Nawaz kind of person get elected as a president will it be okay for Pakistan? Countries don't work in virtual world. In Pakistan if dictator has to give NRO to corrupts then how do u think a civilian president can stand against criminals?
In the presidential system, the president chooses his cabinet and no party or mna/mpa can force the president to do this or that, or else we will leave the party. The criminals will have almost zero chance to survive.
Also, there will be less influence of the establishment on the president.
 

Wake up Pak

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
If dictators can't take advantage how a democratic president will be able to force civil administration or Judiciary to follow him?
Also let's assume Nawaz kind of person get elected as a president will it be okay for Pakistan? Countries don't work in virtual world. In Pakistan if dictator has to give NRO to corrupts then how do u think a civilian president can stand against criminals?
It’s imperative to bring in a system that is not based on corrupt practices. The current rotten parliamentary system is only a money-making profession for most politicians, judges, journalists, bureaucrats, businessmen, etc.
 

Okara

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
In the presidential system, the president chooses his cabinet and no party or mna/mpa can force the president to do this or that, or else we will leave the party. The criminals will have almost zero chance to survive.
Also, there will be less influence of the establishment on the president.
I agree with you that President can't be forced.
Let's assume IK is president can he force Judiciary to listen him? Can he force COAS to focus on his professional duty?
Now let's assume Nawaz is president, who is going to stop him doing anything he wanted to do especially the corruption? When Shahbaz was CM his daughter/son-in-law were law in Lahore especially if you remember that Cake issue.
We need a system where people need to follow law but looks like next to impossible in Pakistan.
 

Okara

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Stop being afraid of what could go wrong, and start being positive about what could go right.
Currently IK has so many advisors around him and are not elected ones. Can you provide few names who are doing anything other than giving news to us through Twitter? Both Sir Buzdar and Sir Mahmood Khan are selection of IK and trust me even he is president of Pakistan he is going to select Buzdar kind of people around him.
 

Wake up Pak

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Let's assume IK is president can he force Judiciary to listen him? Can he force COAS to focus on his professional duty?
He will have a better chance of reforming the judiciary. Yes, he can ask the COAS to focus on his profession. The current system suits the establishment as they have more say in it.
 

Wake up Pak

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Currently IK has so many advisors around him and are not elected ones. Can you provide few names who are doing anything other than giving news to us through Twitter? Both Sir Buzdar and Sir Mahmood Khan are selection of IK and trust me even he is president of Pakistan he is going to select Buzdar kind of people around him.
That I don't know who will he select it is just a speculation.
By the way, the current survey puts Buzdar as the best among the four chief ministers.☺️
 

javaidmafasha

MPA (400+ posts)
Instead of arguments, just compare progress during presidential and parliamentary system, dont go far, just compare debt up to 2008 and during last two governments. Everyone knows development during real presidential system under Ayub khan so why not we should go back to change. Need to get rid of corrupt elites.
 

Okara

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
That I don't know who will he select it is just a speculation.
By the way, the current survey puts Buzdar as the best among the four chief ministers.☺️
And u believe it just like there is a survey that Nawaz is most popular leader of Pakistan?
 

Saboo

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Please count the blessings of the current system of governance.

Reality is, if you are not part of the Mafia (Establishment), a Satanic nexus of Generals, Judges, Politicians, Business Tycoons, Media Houses, and Kharam Khor Mullah; you cannot climb to a decision making position.
I personally like the Presidential system but what guarantee this system gives to get rid of a satanic nexus you just mentioned…There is a presidential system in USA for ages but that kind of a nexus still exists in the States.