100 to 320% turnout in 136 polling stations (94 in Punjab) - Impossible Turnout !

Aslan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: 100% rigging confirmed in 49 polling stations by Free and Fair Elections Network. GEO Report

Hamid mir is not trustworthy. Pakistan is important. For gods sake let the country move ahead. Rigging or no rigging is not important. Nawaz is fine, if he can deliver.
How can you say rigging or no rigging is fine.Any country that doesn't have any moral ,ethical or legal standards is doomed to fail.Do you think people will
accept Nawaz as a credible leader after massive rigging throughout Punjab?No way.He will be tainted for next five years as someone who rigged elections and his legitimacy will be doubted..
 

AZulfi

MPA (400+ posts)
Mubashir Lucman and Hamid Mir exposing rigging



It seems that all parties have their own grievances

Listen to what the international observers have to say

 
Re: Mubashir Lucman and Hamid Mir exposing rigging

Even we can held 10 elections PTI cant win in Pak...

Bcz system is corrupt next time again police and polling officials will help sharif family as all these people r recurit in govt by these govts... police and all polling staff will always keep helping Sharif family in punjab, PPPP in Sindh MQM in Karachi

SO i AM CONVINCED PTI CANT WIN IN PAK WHATEVER JUNOON WE HAVE GROUND REALITY IS POLICE ARE MORE STRONGER THAN JUNOON.

If PTI want to win in Pak they need help by police and local criminals to win in Pak... no other way whatever we can do..

Can MQM be defeated through the power of ballot box????????????


Answer is big NO.

u need same power as MQM have to defeat them!
It means change will eventually come from the barrel of the gun.

Imran was wrong to think Junoon is stronger than police and govt!! We should not accept Sharif family as PM now.
 
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itsnotme90

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Mubashir Lucman and Hamid Mir exposing rigging

We need to protest on country scale & dont allow nawaz sharif to be prime minister untill elections are done properly. Army is part of this game. We must protest against army for not protecting us .
 

adslpxp2

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Mubashir Lucman and Hamid Mir exposing rigging

Interesting point from one of the observer, this was the most democratically rigged election in the history of Pakistan.

Can MQM be defeated through the power of ballot box.

Answer is big NO.

It means change will eventually come from the barrel of the gun.
 
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Abdul Haadi

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Mubashir Lucman and Hamid Mir exposing rigging

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ASQR1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Good reporting by media, after all media is not all that bad. Now let us see if re-polling takes place, I hope it does, if this reporting is true.
 

Xiggs

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: 100% rigging confirmed in 49 Halqas by Free and Fair Elections Network. GEO Report

mere bhai, im from karachi and believe me whole karachi feel very upset and disapointed..ALLAH mera gawah hai karachi se PTI jeeti thi....main aap ko kia bataon dhandli ki dastane....im not pro IK but even my heart is also crying and i noticed hamid mir is not letting them protest on tv....i feel so depressed.....MUSHARRAF ne sahi kaha tha "ab pakistan ka ALLAH hafiz"


PTI would have bagged atleast 7 NA and 20 PA seats from karachi easily, which would have given tafoo a heart attack. in my polling station PTI was leading so comfortably that not even one non-political person wanted to vote for MQM. but in the end, after thappa mafia completed its work, MQM had a landslide victory. truly disturbing!
 

zhohaq

Minister (2k+ posts)
How to Rig Elections in Pakistan: A guide

I was wondering about the ways in how a elections can be rigged. If you think about it their are actually only a few strategies that can be employed. Most of these can easily be detected if the Ballots and other documentation are preserved. So here are the ways Election can be influenced:

1. Pre poll rigging:​ Least interesting way.It happens almost everywhere in every election. Mostly developmental funds etc are released before election to fund campaigns or buy votes. Other ways are spending more then stipulated amounts on campaigns. Enticing voters with cash, gifts etc. Using police or others to intimidate voters and so on.
Given how common this is and how well known its not worth discussing.
More intressting ways are gerrymandering districts. So for example parties design districts in a way that their opponenets vote is split. Easy way to detect this is to compare voting over an entire district and compare the seats won. So in Lahore division, Fasilabad, Sialkot and Karachi, even if PTI won a large chunk of vote it could not mange seats. Karachi is by far the worst case after Musharaf changed the districts in 2004 to give MQM a huge advantage.
In some cases non contiguous areas were grouped in. MQM breakthrough in Kemari and Landhi are partly results of these efforts.

Polling station in its own areas can be stuffed to negate votes in other polling station. This can also be easily detected.

2.Poll day rigging:

The strategies are diverse and theor effectiveness varies. Here is a list with example

- Delay polling in stations: Infamous case is Karachi NA 250 where poll were dealyed for hours. Areas that were targeted MQM knew it did not have a armed presence and would probably not be able to control polling stations.
PML N NA 125 is another case. If the RO polling staff are on your side they can be asked to slow down the polling process so that Less votes are casted. Or ppl simply quit

-Destroying Ballots:Polling staff can selectively destroy votes. Per rules if ballot tearing occurs the vote is wasted. The polling staff by looking at the voter can make a decision who he may vote for (By ethnicity, social class or seeing party paraphernalia etc). Many voters simply dont know these rules and go on and put the invalid ballet.
This can be detected if a pattern emerges in the invalid ballots. If they are in a large number and mostly from one party it would mean this tactic was employed.
In some rural areas this process is less subtle whole polling boxes where a rivial candidate polls higher are simple confiscated and ballots destroyed.

-Ballot stuffing:A common tactic if one party gets complete control of a polling station and ejects Polling officers or observers of a rival party. Seen through out country . One way to detect is to checki polling station with an unusually high turnout. Either by using a cut off (say 80%) or simply comparing with other polling station in the vicinity.
Election commision has this turnout data for every polling staion in its Statement of polls XI form.

-Disenfranchisement:



To be continued... Work in progress
 

JusticeLover

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: How to Rig Elections in Pakistan: A guide

I wonder why cant they attach a copy of ID card with ballot papar so that vote is assured to be fair and could be checked at any time ?
 

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