Ka'inat Ki Har Shay,Ghulam e Rasool (S.a.w) Hay
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قُلْ إِنَّمَا أَنَا بَشَرٌ مِثْلُكُمْ يُوحَىٰ إِلَيَّ أَنَّمَا إِلَٰهُكُمْ إِلَٰهٌ وَاحِدٌ ۖ فَمَنْ كَانَ يَرْجُو لِقَاءَ رَبِّهِ فَلْيَعْمَلْ عَمَلًا صَالِحًا وَلَا يُشْرِكْ بِعِبَادَةِ رَبِّهِ أَحَدًا
[SIZE=-1]Say: I am only a mortal like you. My Lord inspireth in me that your Allah is only One Allah. And whoever hopeth for the meeting with his Lord, let him do righteous work, and make none sharer of the worship due unto his Lord.[/SIZE]
May Allah Grant the Original writer of that paper guidance as well as
to you Mr. Noor-e-Qalb, and this Quranic Noor should really enter into
your Qalb and you may referain from making Galoo in your thoughts. All
we, including our Prophet(PBUH) is only GHULAM to Allah. and everyone
will come to our Lord as "Ghulam" and alone. Moula is the attribute of
RabulEzzat only and your post depicts contrary to Quran.
[SIZE=-1]Say: I am only a mortal like you. My Lord inspireth in me that your Allah is only One Allah. And whoever hopeth for the meeting with his Lord, let him do righteous work, and make none sharer of the worship due unto his Lord.[/SIZE]
May Allah Grant the Original writer of that paper guidance as well as
to you Mr. Noor-e-Qalb, and this Quranic Noor should really enter into
your Qalb and you may referain from making Galoo in your thoughts. All
we, including our Prophet(PBUH) is only GHULAM to Allah. and everyone
will come to our Lord as "Ghulam" and alone. Moula is the attribute of
RabulEzzat only and your post depicts contrary to Quran.
If you cannot read Quran, or do not understand it, or do not wish to understand it then what can be done.?
Truth Seeker
Citizen
Baba G: Do me a favour to explain this Ayah further:
According to you Rasool Allah Sal Lallah o Alaih Wasalam said "I am Bashar like you".
But
Be Courageous and just claim here that "YOU ARE BASHAR LIKE RASOOL ALLAH pbuh "
Hepbuh was Messanger of Allah and now if you claim to be LIKE HIM then you must be.........................as well!!!!!!
Waiting very very very pationately for your answer.
According to you Rasool Allah Sal Lallah o Alaih Wasalam said "I am Bashar like you".
But
Be Courageous and just claim here that "YOU ARE BASHAR LIKE RASOOL ALLAH pbuh "
Hepbuh was Messanger of Allah and now if you claim to be LIKE HIM then you must be.........................as well!!!!!!
Waiting very very very pationately for your answer.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-c-chittick-phd/the-islamic-notion-of-mer_b_795275.html
Dear friends, please help put things in proper context. Allah is god and not a human. The prophet is not a god and is a human being. He is sent by allah so that we love allah through loving his messenger in the sense that we take on his mission and support him. To establish what allah sent is mission of the prophet and if we really love allah then we must follow the prophet in helpingh him establishj what he brought. This we will do out of love for allah, the prophet and the good people who work together to bring this about ie a better world in which all are satisfied as much as humanly possible.
The prophet has been attributed with same names as allah and the only distinction is that allah is god and the prophet is one of his creation and the best in that. Raoof, raheem, shahid, mubashar, nazeer are common names between allah and his prophet. So let us not create unnecesary disputes over things that matter not. BAD AZ KHUDA BZURG TOOI QISSA MUKHTASAR.
regards and all the best.
Dear friends, please help put things in proper context. Allah is god and not a human. The prophet is not a god and is a human being. He is sent by allah so that we love allah through loving his messenger in the sense that we take on his mission and support him. To establish what allah sent is mission of the prophet and if we really love allah then we must follow the prophet in helpingh him establishj what he brought. This we will do out of love for allah, the prophet and the good people who work together to bring this about ie a better world in which all are satisfied as much as humanly possible.
The prophet has been attributed with same names as allah and the only distinction is that allah is god and the prophet is one of his creation and the best in that. Raoof, raheem, shahid, mubashar, nazeer are common names between allah and his prophet. So let us not create unnecesary disputes over things that matter not. BAD AZ KHUDA BZURG TOOI QISSA MUKHTASAR.
regards and all the best.
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QaiserMirza
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
1. Is it proper to call anyone other then Allah. Like "Ya Rasool Allah" , Ya "Mushkil KWe sha" , Ya "Maula", Ya "Ghaus" etc.
2. We should not exaggerate (or Ghulo) when praising Nabi Kareem or supplication (dua).
3. We should not elevate the level of Prophets from the fact they are all human beings and Allah has chosen them to guide us.
4. Prophet Eesa (Jesus) , Prophet Uzair , their status were elevated by their followers.
5. Nabi Kareem sallaho alaihay wassalam do not say anything or do anything without the intention of Allah subhan wa taala.
Every word he speaks is from the creator.
An Najam (53)
وَمَا يَنْطِقُ عَنِ الْهَوَىٰ {3**
[Yusufali 53:3] Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) Desire.
إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا وَحْيٌ يُوحَىٰ {4**
[Yusufali 53:4] It is no less than inspiration sent down to him:
Now who has courage to deny or disagree this ayat.
2. We should not exaggerate (or Ghulo) when praising Nabi Kareem or supplication (dua).
3. We should not elevate the level of Prophets from the fact they are all human beings and Allah has chosen them to guide us.
4. Prophet Eesa (Jesus) , Prophet Uzair , their status were elevated by their followers.
5. Nabi Kareem sallaho alaihay wassalam do not say anything or do anything without the intention of Allah subhan wa taala.
Every word he speaks is from the creator.
An Najam (53)
وَمَا يَنْطِقُ عَنِ الْهَوَىٰ {3**
[Yusufali 53:3] Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) Desire.
إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا وَحْيٌ يُوحَىٰ {4**
[Yusufali 53:4] It is no less than inspiration sent down to him:
Now who has courage to deny or disagree this ayat.
Following the whole Quran is good but following selective Ayats is bad. Each and every word Quran tells is to be followed.
None of you have told anything about the Quran Ayats in which intercession clearly found. Have you closed your eyes or it that your hearts closed. The truth is mentioned in Quran while you deny it. It is clear that except whom Allah wills. If the Last Messenger peace be upon Him not the exception then no one is exception and then do you tell that these Ayats are waste Nauzobillah.
Any man know meaning of intercession
Allah - there is no deity except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of [all] existence. Neither drowsiness overtakes Him nor sleep. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. Who is it that can intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is [presently] before them and what will be after them, and they encompass not a thing of His knowledge except for what He wills. His Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth, and their preservation tires Him not. And He is the Most High, the Most Great [2:255]
Notice the word "except" in the above mentioned verse. This verse does not condemn the presence of an intercessor; they just put a condition for the fact of intercession.
That Day, no intercession will benefit except one to whom the Most Merciful has given permission and has accepted his word [20:109]
And intercession does not benefit with Him except for one whom He permits. [And those wait] until, when terror is removed from their hearts, they will say [to one another], "What has your Lord said?" They will say, "The truth." And He is the Most High, the Grand [34:23]
And how many angels there are in the heavens whose intercession will not avail at all except after Allah has permitted to whom He wills and approves [53:26]
He knows what is before them, and what is behind them, and they cannot intercede except for him with whom He is pleased. And they stand in awe for fear of Him [21:28]
And those whom they invoke instead of Him have no power of intercession; except those who bear witness to the truth and they know [43:86]
And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah. And if, when they wronged themselves, they had come to you, [O Muhammad], and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Accepting of repentance and Merciful [4:64]
Any man know meaning of intercession
Allah - there is no deity except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of [all] existence. Neither drowsiness overtakes Him nor sleep. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. Who is it that can intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is [presently] before them and what will be after them, and they encompass not a thing of His knowledge except for what He wills. His Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth, and their preservation tires Him not. And He is the Most High, the Most Great [2:255]
Notice the word "except" in the above mentioned verse. This verse does not condemn the presence of an intercessor; they just put a condition for the fact of intercession.
That Day, no intercession will benefit except one to whom the Most Merciful has given permission and has accepted his word [20:109]
And intercession does not benefit with Him except for one whom He permits. [And those wait] until, when terror is removed from their hearts, they will say [to one another], "What has your Lord said?" They will say, "The truth." And He is the Most High, the Grand [34:23]
And how many angels there are in the heavens whose intercession will not avail at all except after Allah has permitted to whom He wills and approves [53:26]
He knows what is before them, and what is behind them, and they cannot intercede except for him with whom He is pleased. And they stand in awe for fear of Him [21:28]
And those whom they invoke instead of Him have no power of intercession; except those who bear witness to the truth and they know [43:86]
And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah. And if, when they wronged themselves, they had come to you, [O Muhammad], and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Accepting of repentance and Merciful [4:64]
In waseela Ayats the translation clearly shows that it is not forbidden
Those whom they invoke seek means of access to their Lord, [striving as to] which of them would be nearest, and they hope for His mercy and fear His punishment. Indeed, the punishment of your Lord is ever feared [17:57]
Where is it forbidden tell me in the above Ayat
O you who have believed, fear Allah and seek the means of approach (waseela) to Him and strive in His cause that you may succeed [5:35]
There are numerous Hadees about intercession shall we start dialoguing.
Those whom they invoke seek means of access to their Lord, [striving as to] which of them would be nearest, and they hope for His mercy and fear His punishment. Indeed, the punishment of your Lord is ever feared [17:57]
Where is it forbidden tell me in the above Ayat
O you who have believed, fear Allah and seek the means of approach (waseela) to Him and strive in His cause that you may succeed [5:35]
There are numerous Hadees about intercession shall we start dialoguing.
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sahiL
Senator (1k+ posts)
just screaming wont help my friend.....come up with some solid source to prove ur point......but u can say wutever u want to say about me....i don,t mind.....but when it comes to Deen....plz with proof only
إِنْ كُلُّ مَنْ فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ إِلَّا آتِي الرَّحْمَٰنِ عَبْدًا [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{93**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Shakir 19:93] There is no one in the heavens and the earth but will come to the Beneficent Allah as a servant.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 19:93] There is none in the heavens and the earth but cometh unto the Beneficent as a slave.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 19:93] Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth but must come to (Allah) Most Gracious as a servant.
Since when the human being became "ghulam" of any prophets, less of our Prophet(PBUH). Quran says
that all in the heavens and earth are Ghulam of Allah.
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The Quranic verses have been given. If somone wishes to remain blind and wishes to follow his own lusts, then
what can be done.
[SIZE=-1][Shakir 19:93] There is no one in the heavens and the earth but will come to the Beneficent Allah as a servant.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 19:93] There is none in the heavens and the earth but cometh unto the Beneficent as a slave.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 19:93] Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth but must come to (Allah) Most Gracious as a servant.
Since when the human being became "ghulam" of any prophets, less of our Prophet(PBUH). Quran says
that all in the heavens and earth are Ghulam of Allah.
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Sahil, People when do not have any answer to Quranic injunctions, then they have only one recourse to scream. No big deal either.
The Quranic verses have been given. If somone wishes to remain blind and wishes to follow his own lusts, then
what can be done.
@Cheeko,
Please take all verses from quran readily available. Then make your own account
mathematically and logically with reference to 3:7 :
http://www.quraneasyurdu.net/l00036/intercession/p.html
Hope this will help you to get some conclusion.
Please take all verses from quran readily available. Then make your own account
mathematically and logically with reference to 3:7 :
http://www.quraneasyurdu.net/l00036/intercession/p.html
Hope this will help you to get some conclusion.
Abdul Allah
Minister (2k+ posts)
What is the meaning of Muala?
Yes all the Quran be followed and not selective Ayats. You tell Ayats which tell no shafat and me agree and I also tell you the Ayats that tell that no shafat except whom Allah wills. I also tell Ayats which tell about waseela. You read 43:86 and then 3:7 again.
None of you have told anything about the Quran Ayats in which intercession clearly found. Have you closed your eyes or it that your hearts closed. The truth is mentioned in Quran while you deny it. It is clear that except whom Allah wills. If the Last Messenger peace be upon Him not the exception then no one is exception and then do you tell that these Ayats are waste Nauzobillah.
Any man know meaning of intercession
Allah - there is no deity except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of [all] existence. Neither drowsiness overtakes Him nor sleep. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. Who is it that can intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is [presently] before them and what will be after them, and they encompass not a thing of His knowledge except for what He wills. His Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth, and their preservation tires Him not. And He is the Most High, the Most Great [2:255]
Notice the word "except" in the above mentioned verse. This verse does not condemn the presence of an intercessor; they just put a condition for the fact of intercession.
That Day, no intercession will benefit except one to whom the Most Merciful has given permission and has accepted his word [20:109]
And intercession does not benefit with Him except for one whom He permits. [And those wait] until, when terror is removed from their hearts, they will say [to one another], "What has your Lord said?" They will say, "The truth." And He is the Most High, the Grand [34:23]
And how many angels there are in the heavens whose intercession will not avail at all except after Allah has permitted to whom He wills and approves [53:26]
He knows what is before them, and what is behind them, and they cannot intercede except for him with whom He is pleased. And they stand in awe for fear of Him [21:28]
And those whom they invoke instead of Him have no power of intercession; except those who bear witness to the truth and they know [43:86]
And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah. And if, when they wronged themselves, they had come to you, [O Muhammad], and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Accepting of repentance and Merciful [4:64]
Any man know meaning of intercession
Allah - there is no deity except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of [all] existence. Neither drowsiness overtakes Him nor sleep. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. Who is it that can intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is [presently] before them and what will be after them, and they encompass not a thing of His knowledge except for what He wills. His Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth, and their preservation tires Him not. And He is the Most High, the Most Great [2:255]
Notice the word "except" in the above mentioned verse. This verse does not condemn the presence of an intercessor; they just put a condition for the fact of intercession.
That Day, no intercession will benefit except one to whom the Most Merciful has given permission and has accepted his word [20:109]
And intercession does not benefit with Him except for one whom He permits. [And those wait] until, when terror is removed from their hearts, they will say [to one another], "What has your Lord said?" They will say, "The truth." And He is the Most High, the Grand [34:23]
And how many angels there are in the heavens whose intercession will not avail at all except after Allah has permitted to whom He wills and approves [53:26]
He knows what is before them, and what is behind them, and they cannot intercede except for him with whom He is pleased. And they stand in awe for fear of Him [21:28]
And those whom they invoke instead of Him have no power of intercession; except those who bear witness to the truth and they know [43:86]
And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah. And if, when they wronged themselves, they had come to you, [O Muhammad], and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Accepting of repentance and Merciful [4:64]
In waseela Ayats the translation clearly shows that it is not forbidden
Those whom they invoke seek means of access to their Lord, [striving as to] which of them would be nearest, and they hope for His mercy and fear His punishment. Indeed, the punishment of your Lord is ever feared [17:57]
Where is it forbidden tell me in the above Ayat
O you who have believed, fear Allah and seek the means of approach (waseela) to Him and strive in His cause that you may succeed [5:35]
There are numerous Hadees about intercession shall we start dialoguing.
Those whom they invoke seek means of access to their Lord, [striving as to] which of them would be nearest, and they hope for His mercy and fear His punishment. Indeed, the punishment of your Lord is ever feared [17:57]
Where is it forbidden tell me in the above Ayat
O you who have believed, fear Allah and seek the means of approach (waseela) to Him and strive in His cause that you may succeed [5:35]
There are numerous Hadees about intercession shall we start dialoguing.
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Dear friends, here is my understnading of the quran as regard the prophet.
According to the quran, humans are the ultimate creation of allah. The best is said to be the one who is best in his ikhlaaq. I therefore believe that none is equal to the prophet, however he is still a human ie the best amongst good human beings.
Humans are above creation like angels. there is nothing better than humans in the creation of allah so how can the prophet be anything other than a human and a great human being at that?
If anyone can convince me any other way I shall gladly accept the help and be grateful.
I think people who say the prophet is a noor and things like that do need to think things through unless they can prove their point. If nothing is better than humans than saying prophet is noor is actually degrading the prophet, is it not? Or is it that I am mistaken?
As for, saying YAA rasoolallah. There is nothing wrong with that, all sahaba used to call him yaa rasoolallah so where is the problem?
Alama iqbal ka she'r hai,
YAA MUHAMMAD KEH KE UTHTA HAI WOH APNE KAAM SE
HAYE KIA TASKEEN MILTI HAI USSE IS NAAM SE
If one feels comfortable by saying yaa rasoolallah or by visiting his grave in gratitude I do not see anything wrong with that. It is a matter of love and respect. It is not shirk but people must avoid kufr by going against islamic dictats eg they should not do sajda etc there for that will not be liked by the prophet or allah. The prophet I think will be upset instead because he came to turn us in to sensible human beings not nut cases and stupid.
WASEELA or intercession is not shirk but worshipping other gods besides allah is shirk.
I think the definition of shirk as told by some ulema of islam is not correct because it does not go with the flow and spirit of the quran and the hadith.
Bida is another misunderstood term amongst some muslim ulema. I suggest people study the quran in light of related facts.
There are some rules invented by some muslim ulema whereby they declare many islamically lawful things unlawful.
I have explained the basic principles of islam in another tread and that makes it very obvious what is islam and what is not islam.
My reason for bringing in principles and rules of islam is so that people could see for themselves where they are with proper islam properly and where they are gone off thetrack and so that they could get back to the right path all by themselves. This is a good way towards ending feuds and infighting etc.
The idea is very similar to maths problems ie regardless you are a teacher or a student all must do the sums using same rules and be able to see if the questions have been solved properly or not. If teachers keep each other in check and student keep each others right and they both keep each other in check and right then all will be on the righrt track. People only go off the track when they invent such rules for the job that do not actually work and instead they cause confusion.
I just stated above that the best of allah's creatures are humans and the prophet is best from amongst them. See if anyone can prove me wrong in light of the quran? All they need to do is prove to me that something other than human beings is best of allah's creation. If anyone does that then that will help me readjust my understanding of islam in this respect and I shall be grateful.
There is no need to fight with each other just make your point sensibly and leave the rest to the person to see how one takes it.
regards and all the best.
According to the quran, humans are the ultimate creation of allah. The best is said to be the one who is best in his ikhlaaq. I therefore believe that none is equal to the prophet, however he is still a human ie the best amongst good human beings.
Humans are above creation like angels. there is nothing better than humans in the creation of allah so how can the prophet be anything other than a human and a great human being at that?
If anyone can convince me any other way I shall gladly accept the help and be grateful.
I think people who say the prophet is a noor and things like that do need to think things through unless they can prove their point. If nothing is better than humans than saying prophet is noor is actually degrading the prophet, is it not? Or is it that I am mistaken?
As for, saying YAA rasoolallah. There is nothing wrong with that, all sahaba used to call him yaa rasoolallah so where is the problem?
Alama iqbal ka she'r hai,
YAA MUHAMMAD KEH KE UTHTA HAI WOH APNE KAAM SE
HAYE KIA TASKEEN MILTI HAI USSE IS NAAM SE
If one feels comfortable by saying yaa rasoolallah or by visiting his grave in gratitude I do not see anything wrong with that. It is a matter of love and respect. It is not shirk but people must avoid kufr by going against islamic dictats eg they should not do sajda etc there for that will not be liked by the prophet or allah. The prophet I think will be upset instead because he came to turn us in to sensible human beings not nut cases and stupid.
WASEELA or intercession is not shirk but worshipping other gods besides allah is shirk.
I think the definition of shirk as told by some ulema of islam is not correct because it does not go with the flow and spirit of the quran and the hadith.
Bida is another misunderstood term amongst some muslim ulema. I suggest people study the quran in light of related facts.
There are some rules invented by some muslim ulema whereby they declare many islamically lawful things unlawful.
I have explained the basic principles of islam in another tread and that makes it very obvious what is islam and what is not islam.
My reason for bringing in principles and rules of islam is so that people could see for themselves where they are with proper islam properly and where they are gone off thetrack and so that they could get back to the right path all by themselves. This is a good way towards ending feuds and infighting etc.
The idea is very similar to maths problems ie regardless you are a teacher or a student all must do the sums using same rules and be able to see if the questions have been solved properly or not. If teachers keep each other in check and student keep each others right and they both keep each other in check and right then all will be on the righrt track. People only go off the track when they invent such rules for the job that do not actually work and instead they cause confusion.
I just stated above that the best of allah's creatures are humans and the prophet is best from amongst them. See if anyone can prove me wrong in light of the quran? All they need to do is prove to me that something other than human beings is best of allah's creation. If anyone does that then that will help me readjust my understanding of islam in this respect and I shall be grateful.
There is no need to fight with each other just make your point sensibly and leave the rest to the person to see how one takes it.
regards and all the best.
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Dear babadeena all these verses on the link are misinterpreted because the point discussed is not intercession per se but the beliefs of the expectants of intercession which they hold. These verses clearly imply that these people believe that allah will forgive them because these things they worship without any authority from allah will get them forgiveness from allah. In other word they are clearly holding mistaken beliefs eg believing angels are daughters of allah.
Muslims do not fall in to that category of people because allah himself tells them to come to the propohet so that he could intercede to allah on their behalf.
063.005 YUSUFALI: And when it is said to them, "Come, the Messenger of Allah will pray for your forgiveness", they turn aside their heads, and thou wouldst see them turning away their faces in arrogance.
005.035 YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Do your duty to Allah, seek the means of approach unto Him, and strive with might and main in his cause: that ye may prosper.
017.057 YUSUFALI: Those whom they call upon do desire (for themselves) means of access to their Lord, - even those who are nearest: they hope for His Mercy and fear His Wrath: for the Wrath of thy Lord is something to take heed of.
021.028 YUSUFALI: He knows what is before them, and what is behind them, and they offer no intercession except for those who are acceptable, and they stand in awe and reverence of His (Glory).
The main point to remmeber is that if seeking means of nearness to god was shirk than all such means will be wrong regardless they are beliefs or deeds or people, things or actions etc etc.
This proves beyond a shadow of doubt waseela is not shirk in itself but if waseela is sought on basis of shirk then of course it is wrong ie believing that angels are daughter of allah so they can get forviveness from allah for their worshippers etc.
This is what I mean when we talk about rules. If we define shirk in such a way that it makes some things shirk and not the others the while natiure of things remains exactly the same then the rule is not right ie it does not work as it should. So argument passes from mere single issue to all issues covered under the same rule. This is very important for people to realise.
When forming laws the rule is simple, all that is not a duty and is not unlawful is lawful, however all laws are situations and circumstances based therefore one can make something lawful or unlawful or a duty if need so dictates. See if anyone can contradict rule.
It is time we all learned islam as it is and not just followed verses like instructions in a computer program. Islam is purpose based religion and so are its laws or rules and regulations.
If we learned islam as it is then that will save us time and effort which we could put to better use rather than wasting it in aimless and baseless arguments.
regards and all the best.
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Calling Ambiya Bashar Like Them!
List A: Allah has called Ambiya as Bashar
Surah Ale Imran
[FONT=Quranic_Font]مَا کَانَ لِبَشَرٍ اَنۡ یُّؤْتِیَہُ اللہُ الْکِتٰبَ وَالْحُکْمَ وَالنُّبُوَّۃَ ثُمَّ یَقُوۡلَ لِلنَّاسِ کُوۡنُوۡا عِبَادًا لِّیۡ مِنۡ دُوۡنِ اللہِ وَلٰکِنۡ کُوۡنُوۡا رَبّٰنِیّٖنَ بِمَا کُنۡتُمْ تُعَلِّمُوۡنَ الْکِتٰبَ [/FONT]
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]وَبِمَا کُنۡتُمْ تَدْرُسُوۡن[/FONT]
Surah Shura, Ayah No. 51
[FONT=Quranic_Font]وَ مَا کَانَ لِبَشَرٍ اَنۡ یُّکَلِّمَہُ اللہُ اِلَّا وَحْیًا اَوْ مِنۡ وَّرَآیِٔ حِجَابٍ اَوْ یُرْسِلَ رَسُوۡلًا فَیُوۡحِیَ بِاِذْنِہٖ مَا یَشَآءُ ؕ اِنَّہٗ عَلِیٌّ حَکِیۡمٌ[/FONT]
List B: Ambiya themselves called Bashar
Surah Ibrahim, Ayah No. 11
[FONT=Quranic_Font]قَالَتْ لَہُمْ رُسُلُہُمْ اِنۡ نَّحْنُ اِلَّا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُکُمْ وَلٰکِنَّ اللہَ یَمُنُّ عَلٰی مَنۡ یَّشَآءُ مِنْ عِبَادِہٖ ؕ وَمَا کَانَ لَنَاۤ اَنۡ نَّاۡتِیَکُمۡ بِسُلْطٰنٍ اِلَّا بِاِذْنِ اللہِ ؕ وَعلَی اللہِ فَلْیَتَوَکَّلِ [/FONT]
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Surah Isra, Ayah No. 93
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]قُلْ سُبْحَانَ رَبِّیۡ ہَلْ کُنۡتُ اِلَّا بَشَرًا رَّسُوۡلًا[/FONT]
Surah Kahaf, Ayah No. 110
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]قُلْ اِنَّمَاۤ اَنَا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُکُمْ یُوۡحٰۤی اِلَیَّ اَنَّمَاۤ اِلٰـہُکُمْ اِلٰہٌ وَّاحِدٌ ۚ فَمَنۡ کَانَ یَرْجُوۡ لِقَآءَ رَبِّہٖ فَلْیَعْمَلْ عَمَلًا صَالِحًا وَّ لَا یُشْرِکْ بِعِبَادَۃِ رَبِّہٖۤ اَحَدًا[/FONT]
List C: Non-Believers called Ambiya not only “Bashar” but also “Like Them”
Now I am listing Ayahs which indicate it were Non-Believers who claimed Ambiya to be “Bashar like them”!
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]Surah Hud, Ayah No. 27[/FONT]
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]فَقَالَ الْمَلَاُ الَّذِیۡنَ کَفَرُوۡا مِنۡ قِوْمِہٖ مَا نَرٰىکَ اِلَّا بَشَرًا مِّثْلَنَا وَمَا نَرٰىکَ اتَّبَعَکَ اِلَّا الَّذِیۡنَ ہُمْ اَرَاذِلُنَا بَادِیَ الرَّاۡیِ ۚ وَ مَا نَرٰی لَکُمْ عَلَیۡنَا مِنۡ فَضْلٍۭ بَلْ [/FONT]
[FONT=Quranic_Font]نَظُنُّکُمْ کٰذِبِیۡنَ[/FONT]
Surah Ibrahim, Ayah No. 10
[FONT=Quranic_Font]قَالَتْ رُسُلُہُمْ اَفِی اللہِ شَکٌّ فَاطِرِ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡاَرْضِ ؕ یَدْعُوۡکُمْ لِیَغْفِرَ لَکُمۡ مِّنۡ ذُنُوۡبِکُمْ وَیُؤَخِّرَکُمْ اِلٰۤی اَجَلٍ مُّسَمًّی ؕ قَالُوۡۤا اِنْ اَنۡتُمْ اِلَّا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُنَا ؕ تُرِیۡدُوۡنَ اَنۡ تَصُدُّوۡنَا عَمَّا [/FONT]
[FONT=Quranic_Font]کَانَ یَعْبُدُ اٰبَآؤُنَا فَاۡتُوۡنَا بِسُلْطٰنٍ مُّبِیۡنٍ[/FONT]
Surah Ambiya, Ayah No. 3
[FONT=Quranic_Font]لَاہِیَۃً قُلُوۡبُہُمْ ؕ وَ اَسَرُّوا النَّجْوَی ٭ۖ الَّذِیۡنَ ظَلَمُوۡا ٭ۖ ہَلْ ہٰذَاۤ اِلَّا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُکُمْ ۚ اَفَتَاْتُوۡنَ السِّحْرَ وَ اَنۡتُمْ تُبْصِرُوۡنَ[/FONT]
Surah Mu’minoon, Ayah No. 24
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]فَقَالَ الْمَلَؤُ الَّذِیۡنَ کَفَرُوۡا مِنۡ قَوْمِہٖ مَا ہٰذَاۤ اِلَّا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُکُمْ ۙ یُرِیۡدُ اَنۡ یَّتَفَضَّلَ عَلَیۡکُمْ ؕ وَ لَوْ شَآءَ اللہُ لَاَنۡزَلَ مَلٰٓئِکَۃً ۚۖ مَّا سَمِعْنَا بِہٰذَا فِیۡۤ اٰبَآئِنَا الْاَوَّلِیۡنَ[/FONT]
Surah Mu’minoon, Ayah No. 33
[FONT=Quranic_Font]وَ قَالَ الْمَلَاُ مِنۡ قَوْمِہِ الَّذِیۡنَ کَفَرُوۡا وَکَذَّبُوۡا بِلِقَآءِ الْاٰخِرَۃِ وَ اَتْرَفْنٰہُمْ فِی الْحَیٰوۃِ الدُّنْیَا ۙ مَا ہٰذَاۤ اِلَّا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُکُمْ ۙ یَاۡکُلُ مِمَّا تَاۡکُلُوۡنَ مِنْہُ وَ یَشْرَبُ مِمَّا تَشْرَبُوۡنَ[/FONT]
Surah Mu’minoon, Ayah No. 34
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]وَلَئِنْ اَطَعْتُمۡ بَشَرًا مِّثْلَکُمْ اِنَّکُمْ اِذًا لَّخٰسِرُوۡنَ[/FONT]
Surah Mu’minoon, Ayah No. 47
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]فَقَالُوۡۤا اَنُؤْمِنُ لِبَشَرَیۡنِ مِثْلِنَا وَ قَوْمُہُمَا لَنَا عٰبِدُوۡنَ[/FONT]
Surah Shu’ara, Ayah No. 154
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]مَاۤ اَنۡتَ اِلَّا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُنَا ۚۖ فَاۡتِ بِاٰیَۃٍ اِنۡ کُنۡتَ مِنَ الصّٰدِقِیۡنَ[/FONT]
Surah Shu’ara, Ayah No. 186
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]وَمَاۤ اَنۡتَ اِلَّا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُنَا وَ اِنۡ نَّظُنُّکَ لَمِنَ الْکٰذِبِیۡنَ[/FONT]
Surah Yaseen, Ayah No. 15
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]قَالُوۡا مَاۤ اَنۡتُمْ اِلَّا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُنَا ۙ وَ مَاۤ اَنۡزَلَ الرَّحْمٰنُ مِنۡ شَیۡءٍ ۙ اِنْ اَنۡتُمْ اِلَّا تَکْذِبُوۡنَ[/FONT]
Surah Qamar, Ayah No. 24
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]فَقَالُوۡۤا اَبَشَرًا مِّنَّا وَاحِدًا نَّتَّبِعُہٗۤ ۙ اِنَّاۤ اِذًا لَّفِیۡ ضَلٰلٍ وَّ سُعُرٍ[/FONT]
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]Surah Taghaabun, Ayah No. 6[/FONT]
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]ذٰلِکَ بِاَنَّہٗ کَانَتۡ تَّاۡتِیۡہِمْ رُسُلُہُمۡ بِالْبَیِّنٰتِ فَقَالُوۡۤا اَبَشَرٌ یَّہۡدُوۡنَنَا ۫ فَکَفَرُوۡا وَ تَوَلَّوۡا وَّ اسْتَغْنَی اللہُ ؕ وَ اللہُ غَنِیٌّ حَمِیۡدٌ[/FONT]
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]Summary: In2 Ayahs Allah calls them Bashar, in 3 Ayahs Ambiya call themselves Bashar and in 2 Ayahs Non-believers call them Bashar while in 10 Ayahs they even called them BASHAR LIKE THEM![/FONT]
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]It is also important to note that whenever Ambiya called themelves "Bashar Like Them", they were accosting to Non-believers![/FONT]
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]So it means they were considering them Bashar like Non-believers?????[/FONT]
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]Could any Believer may even think that Ambiya are Bashar like Non-believers!!! [/FONT]
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]Reasons could be their humbleness or they were aware that they are accosting Non-believers so it hardly matters as Non-believers even deny to worship Allah! [/FONT]
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]I tried my best to find any ayah which indicates any of BELIEVERS EVER CALLED AMBIYA AS BASHAR LIKE THEM OR EVEN BASHAR![/FONT]
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]So according to Quran there are 3 categories to call Ambiya as Bashar:[/FONT]
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]Category 1: Allah has called them Bashar but is interesting to note what Allah comments about Sahaba:[/FONT]
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]Surah Hujraat, Ayah No. 4[/FONT]
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]اِنَّ الَّذِیۡنَ یُنَادُوۡنَکَ مِنۡ وَّرَآءِ الْحُجُرٰتِ اَکْثَرُہُمْ لَا یَعْقِلُوۡنَ[/FONT]
[Shakir 49:4] (As for) those who call out to you from behind the private chambers, surely most of them do not understand.
[Pickthal 49:4] Lo! those who call thee from behind the private apartments, most of them have no sense.
[Yusufali 49:4] Those who shout out to thee from without the inner apartments - most of them lack understanding
So when you may call Ambiya as Bashar then why can’t you say anything about Sahaba!
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]Category 2: Ambiya has called themselves Bashar but it is interesting to note at “Sulah e Hudabiya”, Rasool Allah even agreed to sign treaty as Muhammad Bin Abdullah not as Rasool Allah:[/FONT]
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]Sahi Muslim, Book 19, Chapter 33, Number 4401[/FONT]
It has been narrated on the authority of al-Bara' b. 'Azib who said: 'Ali b. Abu Talib penned the treaty between the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) and the polytheists on the Day of Hudaibiya. He wrote: This is what Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah, has settled. They (the polytheists) said: Do not write words "the Messenger of Allah". If we knew that you were the Messenger of Allah, we would not fight against you. The Prophet (may peace be upon him) said to 'Ali: Strike out these words. He (Ali) said: I am not going to strike them out. So the Prophet (may peace be upon him) struck them out with his own hand. The narrator said that the conditions upon which the two sides had agreed included that the Muslims would enter Mecca (next year) and would stay there
for three days, and that they would not enter bearing arms except in their sheaths or bolsters.
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]While dealing with Non-believers, Rasool Allah even agreed to accept as if he is not Rasool so would you also accept his decision and declare him not a Rasool![/FONT]
[FONT=Quranic_Font][/FONT] [FONT=Quranic_Font]While dealing with Non-believers, Rasool Allah even agreed to accept as if he is not Rasool so would you also accept his decision and declare him not a Rasool![/FONT]
[FONT=Quranic_Font]Category 3: Non-believers has called Ambiya as not only Bashar but also Like them![/FONT]
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]I am afraid only one category is left to call Ambiya as Bashar Like Them and if you want to fit in that, choice is yours![/FONT]
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]Now one might think when Ambiya are Bashar then why don’t you call them Bashar![/FONT]
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]I am quoting one “Rubae” here to make you understand of fact that expression of some realities is not appropriate and even sometimes such expression leads to “Kufr”. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]Itna Na Akar, Itna Na Jazbaat Main Rah[/FONT]
[FONT=Quranic_Font]Had Say Na Guzar, Dair e Zaat Main Rah[/FONT]
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]Aik Qatra e Na Pak Nasab Hai Tera!!!!![/FONT]
[FONT=Quranic_Font]Aukat Yahi Hai Teri, Apni Aukat Main Rah[/FONT]
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]Now “Qatra e Na Pak Nasab Hai Tera” is Reality but do you propagate this reality or would you like if someone introduces you as YOURS NASAB IS QATRA E NA PAK.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]Think![/FONT]
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]We are Muslims, We are Not Allah that we may enjoy Authority to call Ambiya as Bashar![/FONT]
[FONT=Quranic_Font]We are Muslims, We are Not Nabi that we may call other ones to be Bashar Like Them![/FONT]
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[FONT=Quranic_Font]We are Muslims, We are Not “Kuffarr” who kept on repeating Ambiya are Bashar Like Them![/FONT]
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