Gen. Rawat is getting extension, and more!

The Sane

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
General Bipin Rawat is on a series of farewell visits to military establishments as his tenure as the Army Chief draws to an end in December.

bipin-rawat-ap.jpg


However, the top officer is unlikely to shed his uniform anytime soon, with the decks being cleared for him to take over as the first Chief of Defence Staff – a four star position being created as part of a defence management overhaul.

General Bipin Rawat– who is serving a rare full three year term as the Indian Army Chief after
he superseded two officers in 2016 – is likely to get a term of over two years as the CDS, which will largely see the creation of a new structure to provide military advise to the government and implement joint procurement by the three services.

The appointment of a new CDS is expected to be announced in December.

Sources have confirmed that a committee tasked to draw out the role, responsibilities and powers of the CDS has submitted its report, which is to be approved by the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS). The recommendation includes creation of a post senior to the current service chiefs with an age limit of 64 years.

As reported by Economic Times, the government had tasked National Security Advisor (NSA) Ajit Doval to head the committee for the setting up of a new position that was announced by PM Narendra Modi at his Independence Day address. While joint operations and tri-services commands are likely to be overseen by the CDS, the top officer is set to be heavily involved in procurement of military equipment as well.

 
Last edited by a moderator:

Reason

Minister (2k+ posts)
Its beyond amazing, and mesmerizing that Indian Army and their court example is being qouted here. Lets also mention that Indian army did not subvert constitution by removing their elected government in the name of corruption in their 70 year history. But you won't find those examples here.
 

The Sane

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Its beyond amazing, and mesmerizing that Indian Army and their court example is being qouted here. Lets also mention that Indian army did not subvert constitution by removing their elected government in the name of corruption in their 70 year history. But you won't find those examples here.
Brother, what ensues in our motherland is one of a kind. Of course, never a convicted felon has been let Scott free to fly overseas, let alone with tangible guarantees. And never in the world politicians connive with the Military apex to come in to power and depose their opponents.
but for the starters, since in Pakistani civil and criminal jurisprudence in the apex court, Indian SC judgements are commonly cited, it will serve a good litmus test.
 

Reason

Minister (2k+ posts)
Brother, what ensues in our motherland is one of a kind. Of course, never a convicted felon has been let Scott free to fly overseas, let alone with tangible guarantees. And never in the world politicians connive with the Military apex to come in to power and depose their opponents.
but for the starters, since in Pakistani civil and criminal jurisprudence in the apex court, Indian SC judgements are commonly cited, it will serve a good litmus test.

Our military always uses the BS excuse of blaming politicians for their mishaps, when these generals themselves abuse their own position to illegally get power. Secondly, a convicted felon has not been let scott free, he is alllowed by our law to get bail and get treatment. But yes, a coward commando can lie about his health to avoid justice from the courts. The more you justify military takeovers with BS excuses, the more I will justify corrupt politicians. Do what you want.
 

Taimur.javed

Senator (1k+ posts)
Brother, what ensues in our motherland is one of a kind. Of course, never a convicted felon has been let Scott free to fly overseas, let alone with tangible guarantees. And never in the world politicians connive with the Military apex to come in to power and depose their opponents.
but for the starters, since in Pakistani civil and criminal jurisprudence in the apex court, Indian SC judgements are commonly cited, it will serve a good litmus test.
Also, only in our country a gongloo can become foreign minister & then blame army and everyone else for foreign policy disasters under his stewardship.
 

The Sane

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Our military always uses the BS excuse of blaming politicians for their mishaps, when these generals themselves abuse their own position to illegally get power. Secondly, a convicted felon has not been let scott free, he is alllowed by our law to get bail and get treatment. But yes, a coward commando can lie about his health to avoid justice from the courts. The more you justify military takeovers with BS excuses, the more I will justify corrupt politicians. Do what you want.
ofcourse, you are at liberty to feel and think as you please. I just wish that every single Pakistani, including you and myself and our kids, get the same treatment in our courts as Mr. Sharif and Musharraf did.
Perhaps, you donot realize that both Mr. Musharraf and Mr. Sharif did each other a favor and are even. Both let each other run away! Rest you and I can continue with this back and forth argument for good!
And lastly, as for your logic of Mr. Sharif been let go by the court of law, please quote me another precedence from another court of law in the civilized world.
Had it been a civilized place, both felon and judge would be behind bars!
 

Reason

Minister (2k+ posts)
ofcourse, you are at liberty to feel and think as you please. I just wish that every single Pakistani, including you and myself and our kids, get the same treatment in our courts as Mr. Sharif and Musharraf did.
Perhaps, you donot realize that both Mr. Musharraf and Mr. Sharif did each other a favor and are even. Both let each other run away! Rest you and I can continue with this back and forth argument for good!

I am firmly against military or army's intervention in civilian domains. Imran is a result of General Pasha and yes all other politicians are too. When that ends, that will be real "tabdeeli," not fake Imran's sponsored tabdeeli.
 

The Sane

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I am firmly against military or army's intervention in civilian domains. Imran is a result of General Pasha and yes all other politicians are too. When that ends, that will be real "tabdeeli," not fake Imran's sponsored tabdeeli.
Brother, if it all comes down to the shit show, I would rather take my chance on newer crap rather trying the decade old, time and again miserably failed shit show.
Rest, “peeli taxi”, NandiPur, dragging Zardari with the noose,
qarz utaro mulk sanwaro were also a form of tabdeeli.
 

The Sane

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I am firmly against military or army's intervention in civilian domains. Imran is a result of General Pasha and yes all other politicians are too. When that ends, that will be real "tabdeeli," not fake Imran's sponsored tabdeeli.
Brother, I am not sure how old are you, but I personally witnessed the flight of the chubby seagull under the wings of Generals Jilani, Zia and Hameed Gul and later Kiyani.
You donot really believe that Mr. Sharif is actually Mandela. He was the apex progeny of a generation of generals, who still has some in his pockets. Why blame the new kid on the block?
 

Reason

Minister (2k+ posts)
Brother, I am not sure how old are you, but I personally witnessed the flight of the chubby seagull under the wings of Generals Jilani, Zia and Hameed Gul and later Kiyani.
You donot really believe that Mr. Sharif is actually Mandela. He was the apex progeny of a generation of generals, who still has some in his pockets. Why blame the new kid on the block?

To hell with Sharif. You cannot right the wrong by doing wrong. If the new kid on the block is going to repeat the same sh!t that we all have been through, then please don't give us these tired sermons. It is Imran's brilliance that Sharif has now been turned into a victim.
 

The Sane

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
To hell with Sharif. You cannot right the wrong by doing wrong. If the new kid on the block is going to repeat the same sh!t that we all have been through, then please don't give us these tired sermons. It is Imran's brilliance that Sharif has now been turned into a victim.
Brother, you are too impatient. Expecting ills of 7 decades to get rectified in a few years, while vouching that if all is crap, the older was better, is not how societies change.
Why I keep quoting that all are the product of generals, is for you to realize that there has never been a genuine leadership and likely never will be. Can you run for office and win in Pakistan? The chances are that goons from other parties and/or some agency will fix you before you even think of doing something like that.
What other leadership do you have in mind precisely, to replace the existing; Moulana Rizvi, Fazur Rehman, Achakzai, Wali Khan, Sharifs or Zardaris???
 

Reason

Minister (2k+ posts)
Brother, you are too impatient. Expecting ills of 7 decades to get rectified in a few years, while vouching that if all is crap, the older was better, is not how societies change.
Why I keep quoting that all are the product of generals, is for you to realize that there has never been a genuine leadership and likely never will be. Can you run for office and win in Pakistan? The chances are that goons from other parties and/or some agency will fix you before you even think of doing something like that.
What other leadership do you have in mind precisely, to replace the existing; Moulana Rizvi, Fazur Rehman, Achakzai, Wali Khan, Sharifs or Zardaris???

I don't think you understand what I said. Ills of 7 decades cannot be rectified by repeating the mistakes of 7 decades. If you want to replace the existing leadership, then stop using establishment to get to power. And you definitely cannot replace Maulana, Achakzai, Sharif, and Zardari with Musharraf's cabinet. And just as you have the right to support your leader Imran, then people who support these people also have the right to support them as well. You are not better than anybody. You are just like the rest of 200 million inhabitants of Pakistan who also have rights. Please get rid of your superiority complex.
 

The Sane

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I don't think you understand what I said. Ills of 7 decades cannot be rectified by repeating the mistakes of 7 decades. If you want to replace the existing leadership, then stop using establishment to get to power. And you definitely cannot replace Maulana, Achakzai, Sharif, and Zardari with Musharraf's cabinet. And just as you have the right to support your leader Imran, then people who support these people also have the right to support them as well. You are not better than anybody. You are just like the rest of 200 million inhabitants of Pakistan who also have rights. Please get rid of your superiority complex.
Thrive brother! You misunderstood when you thought that I wanted to mitigate what you feel or like. Ofcourse you are at liberty.
I wish I had superiority complex, but I am looking at life knowing that it is ugly. The match is not between good or evil here, it is between lesser of the two evils.
You can slay every current politician, and then do what? Like our morals we are at paucity of leadership as well.
Where are you going to get new faces, who are not corrupt and goons or devolved in GHQ lab. Does a commoner even have a chance here?
Your argument may be valid in nirvana, certainly not in Pakistan.


PS: I am not a supporter of any individual, including Mr. Niazi. I just do not want our kids to see what we have been seeing for the last 70 years.
 

The Sane

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
let the 111 brigade of india jump the gate of modi residence .
They might if they found that Modi had given away Kargil to Pakistan or have investments in Pakistan’s steel industry in partnership with The likes of Mian Mansha or Malik Riaz!
 

Reason

Minister (2k+ posts)
They might if they found that Modi had given away Kargil to Pakistan or have investments in Pakistan’s steel industry in partnership with The likes of Mian Mansha or Malik Riaz!

WTF? General Musharraf was getting his @$$ handed in Kargil, Gen Zia lost Siachen to India, Gen Yahya lost Bangladesh. But then, knowledge and education is not a pre-requisite to being a Boot polisher,
 

The Sane

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
WTF? General Musharraf was getting his @$$ handed in Kargil, Gen Zia lost Siachen to India, Gen Yahya lost Bangladesh. But then, knowledge and education is not a pre-requisite to being a Boot polisher,
Brother, your problem is that you place some politicians at the higher pedestal than generals. To me they are all alike!
You can’t be a bigger dissenting voice against conniving generals than myself, especially when they have preferential treatment for the goons of 4 decades.
When the aforementioned dictators were doing all that you mentioned, there was a beloved politician sitting in their lap suckling.
My bitch is that if this fox of the judiciary is to do the real justice, hang Mr. Musharraf, Mr. Sharif and Mr. Zardari together, at the same gallows. One is given the stay to hold the verdict, while the other is enjoying winters in London in front of the fireplace. Rest of us are watching this circus on the TV!
 
Last edited:

Munawarkhan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
what a stupid statement.
in one sentence you discard his 22 year struggle, the ones riding behind generals like bhuttos and sharifs got in power within a year or two.



I am firmly against military or army's intervention in civilian domains. Imran is a result of General Pasha and yes all other politicians are too. When that ends, that will be real "tabdeeli," not fake Imran's sponsored tabdeeli.