The collection of Hadis in the eyes of Qur'an!

[Wake up Pak]

You dont believe on hadees, You don't believe in Namaz ( which is mentioned repeatedly in Quran) , you think it is a man made daily ritual , you also believe doing Tawaf is a shirk. ( Tawaf is also mentioned in Quran)
And then you say Alhamdulilah "I am a Muslim."
If praying Namaz is unislamic then all the mosques of the world committing blasphemy. They should all be closed ?

Personally, I feel as if M_Shameer knowledge of Islam is a lot more comprehensive then yours and he is extremely brave to publicly admit that he has given up his faith.

Finally,
I repeat for emphasis - - - -
How do you practice Islam if you believe praying namaz is unislamic and tawaf-e- kaba is shirk ?
What is included in your kind of Islam to do to be Muslim if Namaz is not allowed.
Please answer this question for my information. I have the same question for Citizen X

I have given you the details from the Quran several times before, so there is no point in repeating the same thing over and over again.
Since you do not believe in the Quran, stick to your man-made ahadith and keep committing Shirk.

 

[Cyber_Security]

I have given you the details from the Quran several times before, so there is no point in repeating the same thing over and over again.
Since you do not believe in the Quran, stick to your man-made ahadith and keep committing Shirk.

See my question again.
I asked you a question which I never asked you before.
How do you practice Islam? I am not talking about Huqooqulibad like looking after neighbors etc
I am taking about Huqooq Allah.
How do you worship Allah ?
This is all I am curious to know.

 

[Wake up Pak]

See my question again.
I asked you a question which I never asked you before.
How do you practice Islam? I am not talking about Huqooqulibad like looking after neighbors etc
I am taking about Huqooq Allah.
How do you worship Allah ?
This is all I am curious to know.

Here is my reply again! Allah has given the basics of life in the Quran. Since you do not believe in the Quran, it is hard to convince a Munkare Quran.
You don't worship Allah, As He does not require us to worship Him.

 

[Cyber_Security]

Here is my reply again! Allah has given the basics of life in the Quran. Since you do not believe in the Quran, it is hard to convince a Munkare Quran.
You don't worship Allah, As He does not require us to worship Him.

See , this is my point.
You don't follow Quran .
You wrote, Allah does not want us to worship Him.

Then what does this Ayat mean ?
إِيَّاكَ نَعْبُدُ وَإِيَّاكَ نَسْتَعِينُ

Doesn't it mean

You alone we worship, and You alone we ask for help." This is verse 5 of Surah Al-Fatihah (1:5).

So Quran, specifically asks us to only Worship Him, and your are saying you follow Quran which asks us not to worship Him.
And your beliefs are, Hadees are wrong, Salat is man made ritual, tawaf--e-Kaba is a shirk, worshipping of Allah is wrong and still telling the world that you are a Muslim who believe in Quran .

My next question,
Please explain me what this Ayat means

إِيَّاكَ نَعْبُدُ وَإِيَّاكَ نَسْتَعِينُ

I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks

 

[atensari]

کسی کی صف بندی سے کوئی نظریہ یا مذہب ختم نہیں ہوتا، نظریے یا مذاہب تب ختم ہوتے ہیں جب وہ زمانے سے ہم آہنگ نہ رہیں اور دورِ حاضر میں پائے جانے والے تمام مذاہب انسانوں کیلئے بے کار ہوچکے ہیں۔ سائنس اور ٹیکنالوجی کی چکاچوند نے مذہب کے فرسودہ نظریات کو ردی کی ٹوکری کی نظر کردیا ہے۔ پاکستان جیسے کٹڑ مذہبی ملک میں ابھی صرف دس بارہ سال ہوئے ہیں سوشل میڈیا کو آئے ہوئے اور ان گنت لوگ اسلام چھوڑ چکے ہیں، اس سے بھی زیادہ لوگ احادیث یعنی اسلام کے آدھے حصے سے دستبردار ہوچکے ہیں اور بے شمار لوگ قرآن کی اس تشریح کو ماننے سے انکاری ہورہے ہیں جو 14 سو سال سے راسخ چلی آرہی تھی۔۔۔ یہ تو ابھی آغاز ہے، آگے آگے دیکھیے ہوتا ہے کیا۔۔ ​

زمانے سے ہم آہنگ نا ہونے کی وجہ سے ختم ہونے والے مذاہب کا نام تو بتا دو
اسلام سب سے زیادہ پھیلنے والا مذہب ہے کیا وہ خبریں غلط ہیں
ملحد زمانہ قبل مسیح میں بھی موجود تھے. اپنے اوپر پیشاب کروا کر خوش ہونے والے غلیظ انسان سائنس اور ٹیکنالوجی والے دور ہی نے پیدا کئے ہیں​

 

[atensari]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1809838593747071110

ملحد اور منکرین دونوں میں کافی مشترک قدریں ہیں.

 

[Cyber_Security]

W

زمانے سے ہم آہنگ نا ہونے کی وجہ سے ختم ہونے والے مذاہب کا نام تو بتا دو
اسلام سب سے زیادہ پھیلنے والا مذہب ہے کیا وہ خبریں غلط ہیں
ملحد زمانہ قبل مسیح میں بھی موجود تھے. اپنے اوپر پیشاب کروا کر خوش ہونے والے غلیظ انسان سائنس اور ٹیکنالوجی والے دور ہی نے پیدا کئے ہیں​

With time many practices of religions have disappeared.
In Hinduism,
Sati practice has gone.
Sati was the practice of burning of a widow with her deceased husband.

In Islam during the war kidnapping of enemy's women was maal-e- Ghaneemat. Even sex without marriage was allowed with them. This practiced has disappeared.
Kidnapping of enemy's women during a war and having sex with them is a war crime in every country. Eventhough it is mentioned in Quran and allowed in Quran ,it is not practiced by any Islamic country. Look at the justice laws.
Jails and prisons are the central figures of imprisonment in every country of the world. Yet , prisons and prisonment is not mentioned in Quran and hadees. There was no prison even during 4 Khalifa times.
The criminals were tied to a mosques so they could be physically punished later but there was never a punishment of 3 years in jail or 5 years in jail for any crimes.
Now can you imagine if we get rid of jails since they are not mentioned in Quran or Hadees.
My point is religion Islam claims to be a deen , a way of life, but even Islam laws for living and punishment are very different today compared to what was mentioned in Quran. With time, all the religions changed in practice.

 

[atensari]

W

With time many practices of religions have disappeared.
In Hinduism,
Sati practice has gone.
Sati was the practice of burning of a widow with her deceased husband.

In Islam during the war kidnapping of enemy's women was maal-e- Ghaneemat. Even sex without marriage was allowed with them. This practiced has disappeared.
Kidnapping of enemy's women during a war and having sex with them is a war crime in every country. Eventhough it is mentioned in Quran and allowed in Quran ,it is not practiced by any Islamic country. Look at the justice laws.
Jails and prisons are the central figures of imprisonment in every country of the world. Yet , prisons and prisonment is not mentioned in Quran and hadees. There was no prison even during 4 Khalifa times.
The criminals were tied to a mosques so they could be physically punished later but there was never a punishment of 3 years in jail or 5 years in jail for any crimes.
Now can you imagine if we get rid of jails since they are not mentioned in Quran or Hadees.
My point is religion Islam claims to be a deen , a way of life, but even Islam laws for living and punishment are very different today compared to what was mentioned in Quran. With time, all the religions changed in practice.

اس تمام کاوش سے یہی ثابت ہوتا ہے کے مذہب ختم نہیں ہوا. بت پرستی کو انسان کا ایجاد کردہ قدیم ترین مذہب اور یہودیت کو قدیم ترین الہامی مذہب کہا جائے تو دونوں قائم ہیں

 

[Mughal1]

 

[Cyber_Security]

اس تمام کاوش سے یہی ثابت ہوتا ہے کے مذہب ختم نہیں ہوا. بت پرستی کو انسان کا ایجاد کردہ قدیم ترین مذہب اور یہودیت کو قدیم ترین الہامی مذہب کہا جائے تو دونوں قائم ہیں

But there are a lot more atheists and agnostic then ever before in human history.
Also religions are surviving with a lot of changes to the directions of the original text to make it implementable to the current time.
I give you an example of Judaism since you mentioned it.
Did you ever wonder why Jews Yom Kapoor always comes around September when they also follow the lunar calendar? Why doesn't it change like our Eid and Ramazan every year ?
Although Jewish calendar is based on the moon, it also makes adjustments using the sun to keep holidays in the right seasons. They add an extra month, called Adar II, seven times every 19 years. This adjustment makes sure Jewish holidays happen around the same time each year according to the regular calendar.
So my point is all the religions have made adjustments to the original practices of their respective religions.

 

[M_Shameer]

زمانے سے ہم آہنگ نا ہونے کی وجہ سے ختم ہونے والے مذاہب کا نام تو بتا دو
اسلام سب سے زیادہ پھیلنے والا مذہب ہے کیا وہ خبریں غلط ہیں
ملحد زمانہ قبل مسیح میں بھی موجود تھے. اپنے اوپر پیشاب کروا کر خوش ہونے والے غلیظ انسان سائنس اور ٹیکنالوجی والے دور ہی نے پیدا کئے ہیں​

کسی زمانے میں بائبل کے خلاف عقیدہ رکھنے پر انسانوں کو زندہ جلادیا جاتا تھا، آج بائبل کو بھرے بازار میں جلادو، کسی کے کان پر جوں تک نہیں رینگے گی۔ عیسائیت کی موت ہوچکی۔ یہودیت کی موت ہوچکی، صرف مٹھی بھر یہودی موجود ہیں، زروسٹرینزم (زرتشتیت) کی موت ہوچکی، اہورا مزدا مرگیا، زیوس کو پوجنے والے ختم ہوگئے، اب اسلام اسی مرحلے سے گزررہا ہے۔ یہ غلیظ داڑھیوں والے ملُے ایسے ہی نہیں رو رہے۔۔​

 

[M_Shameer]

Do you know Allama Iqbal was also very inspired by Friedrich Nietzsche.

Since in India he couldn't say God is dead like Nietzsche , he brought the concept of Khudi. Nietzsche said, don't look for help from the divine power and Iqbal wrote, Khudi ko ker buland itna kay her taqdeer say pahlay khuda banday say khud poochay bata teri raza kiya hay.
By the way your argument that social media is playing a big role in the demise of religion is erroneous because according to the Australian research, more people are becoming religious fundamentalist then those who are giving up their faith thanks to the social media.

کہا تو جاتا ہے کہ اقبال فریڈرک نیچے سے متاثر تھا، مگر اقبال کا تصورِ خودی ایک جاہلانہ مذہبی تصور سے زیادہ کچھ نہیں ہے۔ اقبال کی پوری شاعری صرف مسلمان قوم کو باقی قوموں پر تلوار کے زور پر حاوی ہونے کی ترغیب دینے پر مبنی ہے۔ ایک فلسفی کسی عقیدے یا نظریے کا غلام نہیں ہوتا، جبکہ اقبال کی شاعری سے عیاں ہے کہ وہ گٹے گوڈوں تک اسلامی سوچ میں دھنسا ایک کٹڑ ملا تھا۔ وہ تو اسی دکھ کو لے کر مررہا تھا کہ دنیا میں اب مسلمانوں کی حکومت کیوں نہیں رہی، کہیں قرطبہ، غرناطہ اور اندلس کا نوحہ کرتا ہے کہ وہاں مسلمان صدیوں تک حکومت کرتے رہے، کہیں محمود غزنوی جیسے لٹیرے کو اس لئے گلوریفائی کرتا ہے کہ اس نے سومنات کے مندر توڑ ڈالا، کہیں مسلمان قوم کے دوسری قوموں پر حملوں کو گلوریفائی کرتا ہے۔ اس کی شاعری کو سلیس زبان میں پڑھیں تو وہ اپنے زمانے کا مولوی خادم رضوی تھا، اسی لئے آج بھی مولوی خادم رضوی جیسے لوگ ہی اس کی شاعری کا سب سے زیادہ استعمال کرتے ہیں۔

​

 

[M_Shameer]

By the way your argument that social media is playing a big role in the demise of religion is erroneous because according to the Australian research, more people are becoming religious fundamentalist then those who are giving up their faith thanks to the social media.

سوشل میڈیا مذہب کے خلاف بہت اہم کردار ادا کررہا ہے۔ اسلام چھوڑنے والے زیادہ تر لوگ اس کو خفیہ رکھتے ہیں اور اس کا اعلان نہیں کرتے۔ باقی آپ جس مذہب پرستی میں اضافے کی بات کررہے ہیں، وہ چراغ بجھنے سے پہلے کی پھڑپھڑاہٹ ہے۔

یوٹیوب پر ایکس مسلم ساحل اور ایکس مسلم ایڈم سیکر کے نام سے دو چینل ہیں جو لوگوں کو اسلام کی "سچائی" قرآن اور احادیث سے نکال نکال کر دکھاتے ہیں، یہ عام مسلمانوں کے ساتھ لائیو ڈیبیٹ کرتے ہیں، ان کی ویورشپ لاکھوں میں ہے، ان چینلز پر متعدد مسلمان آکر اقرار کرتے ہیں کہ ایک عرصہ تک وہ ان کو دیکھنے سننے کے بعد اسلام چھوڑ چکے ہیں۔ اس کے علاوہ ایکس مسلمز کے متعدد چینلز ہیں جو فی سبیل اللہ لوگوں کو اسلام چھڑوانے کا کارِ خیر سرانجام دے رہے ہیں۔ ​

 

[Wake up Pak]

You dont believe on hadees, You don't believe in Namaz ( which is mentioned repeatedly in Quran) , you think it is a man made daily ritual , you also believe doing Tawaf is a shirk. ( Tawaf is also mentioned in Quran)
And then you say Alhamdulilah "I am a Muslim."
If praying Namaz is unislamic then all the mosques of the world committing blasphemy. They should all be closed ?

Personally, I feel as if M_Shameer knowledge of Islam is a lot more comprehensive then yours and he is extremely brave to publicly admit that he has given up his faith.

Finally,
I repeat for emphasis - - - -
How do you practice Islam if you believe praying namaz is unislamic and tawaf-e- kaba is shirk ?
What is included in your kind of Islam to do to be Muslim if Namaz is not allowed.
Please answer this question for my information. I have the same question for Citizen X

I don't want to keep going in circles, but you keep asking the same illogical questions that have no place in Islam. What you're practicing has nothing to do with the religion of Islam, but rather with the teachings of certain Mullahs & man-made books.

 

[Cyber_Security]

I don't want to keep going in circles, but you keep asking the same illogical questions that have no place in Islam. What you're practicing has nothing to do with the religion of Islam, but rather with the teachings of certain Mullahs & man-made books.

Citizen X
Just one question,
Please explain to me what this Ayat means

إِيَّاكَ نَعْبُدُ وَإِيَّاكَ نَسْتَعِينُ

I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks

 

[Wake up Pak]

See , this is my point.
You don't follow Quran .
You wrote, Allah does not want us to worship Him.

Then what does this Ayat mean ?
إِيَّاكَ نَعْبُدُ وَإِيَّاكَ نَسْتَعِينُ

Doesn't it mean

You alone we worship, and You alone we ask for help." This is verse 5 of Surah Al-Fatihah (1:5).

So Quran, specifically asks us to only Worship Him, and your are saying you follow Quran which asks us not to worship Him.
And your beliefs are, Hadees are wrong, Salat is man made ritual, tawaf--e-Kaba is a shirk, worshipping of Allah is wrong and still telling the world that you are a Muslim who believe in Quran .

My next question,
Please explain me what this Ayat means

إِيَّاكَ نَعْبُدُ وَإِيَّاكَ نَسْتَعِينُ

I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks

Unfortunately, the majority of Muslims believe that Ibadah means to pray, fast, and perform Hajj, but in reality, the Quran does not associate Ibadah with these rituals.
Ibadah has several meanings:
"To serve,
To obey,
To worship, etc."

 

[Wake up Pak]

ملحد اور منکرین دونوں میں کافی مشترک قدریں ہیں.

Video may tumharay maslak key baat ho rahi hay.

 

[Cyber_Security]

Unfortunately, the majority of Muslims believe that Ibadah means to pray, fast, and perform Hajj, but in reality, the Quran does not associate Ibadah with these rituals.
Ibadah has several meanings:
"To serve,
To obey,
To worship, etc."

So how do you do the above ?

 

[Wake up Pak]

So how do you do the above ?

Read the Quran instead of blindly following the religion of the Mullahs and ancestors.

 

[Cyber_Security]

سوشل میڈیا مذہب کے خلاف بہت اہم کردار ادا کررہا ہے۔ اسلام چھوڑنے والے زیادہ تر لوگ اس کو خفیہ رکھتے ہیں اور اس کا اعلان نہیں کرتے۔ باقی آپ جس مذہب پرستی میں اضافے کی بات کررہے ہیں، وہ چراغ بجھنے سے پہلے کی پھڑپھڑاہٹ ہے۔

یوٹیوب پر ایکس مسلم ساحل اور ایکس مسلم ایڈم سیکر کے نام سے دو چینل ہیں جو لوگوں کو اسلام کی "سچائی" قرآن اور احادیث سے نکال نکال کر دکھاتے ہیں، یہ عام مسلمانوں کے ساتھ لائیو ڈیبیٹ کرتے ہیں، ان کی ویورشپ لاکھوں میں ہے، ان چینلز پر متعدد مسلمان آکر اقرار کرتے ہیں کہ ایک عرصہ تک وہ ان کو دیکھنے سننے کے بعد اسلام چھوڑ چکے ہیں۔ اس کے علاوہ ایکس مسلمز کے متعدد چینلز ہیں جو فی سبیل اللہ لوگوں کو اسلام چھڑوانے کا کارِ خیر سرانجام دے رہے ہیں۔ ​

You are talking about two channels convincing people to leave Islam. Here every Aera Ghera nathoo khera Islam ka chooran Baich ker paisay bana raha hay. Even you who has left Islam knows more about Islam then them. Have you ever listened to Sahil Nadeem ? This man doesn't know basics of Islam and has thousands of subscribers and making lots of money through YouTube. You should do the same thing. Don't tell anyone you have left Islam. Give people religious education about Islam on YouTube and you will become rich too. Once you get a BMW 4 wheel drive under you bottom due to Islamic Channel on YouTube, who knows you might come back to Islam. Paisay main barhee taqat hay