Javed Ahmad Ghamdi Threads - Collection

indigo

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

in which type of schools?....

The Public Sct

in middle
in high school
in college...
in university...


with increasing and detailed level... Just like any Science subject...

Also its not forcible on non-Muslims
 

iceburg

Banned
Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

No in our previous Discussion I have shown enough proof to show that point you were takiing totaly againt Quran teaching.

any way.

Honestly, last discussion ko main ne close kiya tha tum ko dheet samajh ker. You have only proved that Mullah believe in his own logics rather than believing in Quran itself.

after reading this from you
ethics is really different from Quran. Because ethics can be found even in those ppl who do not even believe in Allah.

I think i should not take you serious as you are not thinking before saying any thing. ( i feel that)

1)ethics can be found even in those ppl who do not even believe in Allah
Ture

So this is true for you also. Good...!!!

But milion Dollor point is that did we find those ethics (if there are really ethics) in religion Islam or not?? we DID find Ethics in Islam. as
It is Religion Islam that says
[SIZE=2.2][SIZE=2.2] Lo! the noblest of you, in the sight of Allah, is the best in conduct.(49:13)

So Religion is ETHICS.

Your conclusion is Wrong. You have accepted yourself that ethics can exist without religion. Now you are saying that religion is ethics. Dear ... right logical conclusion is that "religion also contains ethics".

And Ghamidi sahab suggest ker rahe hain k children ko pehle basic ethics teach kerni chahiyein ... aur religious ethics thorri maturity k baad zaroor teach kerni chahiye.
 

Mojo-jojo

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

Aag Uss Ki Phoonk Deti Hai Barna-o-Peer Ko
Lakhon Mein Aik Bhi Ho Agar Sahib-e-Yaqeen

One man of certitude among millions
Can set afire all old and young.

Be Juraat-e-Rindana Har Ishq Hai Rubahi
Bazoo Hai Qawi Jis Ka, Woh Ishq Yadullahi

Without the boldness of an outspoken man, Love is deceit and fraud;
Love that enjoys power is the hand of God.

Jo Sakhti-e-Manzil Ko Saman-e-Safar Samjhe
Ae Waye Tan Asani ! Na-Paid Hai Woh Raahi

A wayfarer for whom the difficulties of the path
Are like traveling provisions, is scarce these days.
 

Abdul Allah

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

Honestly, last discussion ko main ne close kiya tha tum ko dheet samajh ker. You have only proved that Mullah believe in his own logics rather than believing in Quran itself.



So this is true for you also. Good...!!!



Your conclusion is Wrong. You have accepted yourself that ethics can exist without religion. Now you are saying that religion is ethics. Dear ... right logical conclusion is that "religion also contains ethics".

And Ghamidi sahab suggest ker rahe hain k children ko pehle basic ethics teach kerni chahiyein ... aur religious ethics thorri maturity k baad zaroor teach kerni chahiye.


I have proved your many poinst wrong
you are a confuse person.
you first said that
Believing on prophet SW is not needed for jews or Chirstians
I prove you wrong by showing you Ayath.
Then i show you Ayat that ONLY ISLAM IS DEEN THAT WILL BE ACCEPTED . so if we take your interpration then you help cause of answer-islam type of website so keep doing it .

without going into our XYZ
you said
religion also contains ethics
Then Ghamdi sb saying is INVALID autometically. Bcz Religion ALSO contain ethics.

and for Ethics do we need maturity???
 

ramay67

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

اس دجال غامدی کی اندھا دھند حمائت عمران خان اینڈ پارٹی کو لے ڈوبے گی ۔ عمران خان کو اس دجال کی حمائت میں کسی قسم کی بیان بازی سے پرہیز کرنا چاہئیے ۔ پندرہ سال کی انتھک محنت اب بار آور ہونے کو آئی ہے ۔ اس لئیے
اسے صرف سیاسی معاملات کو دیکھنا چاہئیے ۔
 

Mojo-jojo

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

Dua
PRAYER

Ya Rab! Dil-e-Muslim Ko Woh Zinda Tamana De
Jo Qalb Ko Garma De, Jo Rooh Ko Tarpa De

Lord, fill the Muslim’s heart with a desire so fervent
That it will set his heart aflame and stir his soul.

Phir Wadi-e-Faran Ke Har Zarre Ko Chamka De
Phir Shauq-e-Tamasha De, Phir Zauq-e-Taqaza

Light up again every speck of dust in the Valley of Faran.
Make us long again for beautiful sights, and create in us the urge to make demands.

Mehroom-e-Tamasha Ko Phir Dida-e-Beena De
Dekha Hai Jo Kuch Mein Ne Auron Ko Bhi Dikhla De

Give piercing vision to those deprived of sight,
and show to others what I have seen.


Bhatke Huway Aahu Ko Phir Soo’ay Haram Le Chal
Iss Sheher Ke Khugar Ko Phir Wusaat-e-Sehra De

Lead the stray gazelle back to the Sanctuary.
It has grown used to the city ‐ Give it back the vastness of the desert.

Paida Dil-e-Weeran Mein Phir Shaurish-e-Mehshar Kar
Iss Mehmil-e-Khali Ko Phir Shahid-e-Laila De

Stir up again the ruins of the heart with a commotion like judgment Day.
Let this empty litter once again seat a sweetheart ‐ a Layla!

Iss Dour Ki Zulmat Mein Har Qalb-e-Preshan Ko
Woh Dagh-e-Mohabbat De Jo Chand Ko Sharma De

In the darkness of this age give to every troubled heart
Scars of love that would shame the moon.

Riffat Mein Maqasid Ko Humdosh-e-Surraya Kar
Khuddari-e-Sahil De, Azadi-e-Darya De

Let the goals be as high as the Pleiades.
Give us the calm and poise of the shore, But the freedom of the sea.

Be Lous Mohabbat Ho, Bebak Sadaqat Ho
Seenon Mein Ujala Kar, Dil Soorat-e-Meena De

Let love be selfless and truth fearless;
Let our breasts be flooded with light‐Make our hearts clear as crystal.

Ehsas Anayat Kar Asaar-e-Mosibat Ka
Amroz Ki Shuarish Mein Andesha-e-Farda De

Enable us to foresee the calamity that is coming;
In the midst of today’s upheaval give us a vision of tomorrow.

Main Bulbul-e-Nalan Hun Ek Ujre Gulistan Ka
Taseer Ka Saa’il Hun, Mauhtaj Ko, Data De!

I am a nightingale making my lament, I am from a garden which has been ravaged.
I wish that my prayer would have effect—Give to a beggar, bounteous Lord!
 

iceburg

Banned
Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

I have proved your many poinst wrong
you are a confuse person.
you first said that
Believing on prophet SW is not needed for jews or Chirstians
I prove you wrong by showing you Ayath.
Then i show you Ayat that ONLY ISLAM IS DEEN THAT WILL BE ACCEPTED . so if we take your interpration then you help cause of answer-islam type of website so keep doing it .

without going into our XYZ
you said
religion also contains ethics
Then Ghamdi sb saying is INVALID autometically. Bcz Religion ALSO contain ethics.

and for Ethics do we need maturity???

Ji main ne zindagi main bohut si mistakes ki hain. Mullas ki tarah khud ko perfect person nahi samajhta. And now I have again realized k 5:69 k mutabiq Jews/Christians k liye Prophet(PBUH) pe eman lana bilkul bhi zaroori nahi hai.

Because ... What progress I have made in my understanding is that contradiction is a gut/bugg only if we are evaluating a man made philosophy. But when we are evaluating God revelation ... then any contradiction should be allowed. It does not mean that God reveals contradictory things. It means that God is Above contradictions. God can do any thing. Can do even contradictory things. And God does it not by way of any mistake. God does contradictory things by way of having command over doing contradictory things. You Mullahs judge Quran by way of your own limited "logics". But God's revelations are above of your logics. Quran is logical. And a core logic is Allah's commands over doing contradictory things. To human mind, there can be many contradictions in Quran (as you showed many contradictions in Quran). But Allah being the Absolute Being also includes contradictory aspects in His Personality. Hegel, a Philosopher, has very beautifully said:, "Ultimate Reality is Contradictory in Nature".

So now I feel nothing wrong even if someone like you point out any contradiction in Quran. Chahe saare Quran main Jews/Christians ko lazmi Jahannam main daalne ka zikkar ho ... tu wo bhi bilkul theek baat hai. Aur saath main 5:69 jo Jews/Christians se Jannat ka wada ker rahi hai ... wo bhi bilkul theek baat hai.
 

ahmad12

Citizen
Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

have you ever read his writtings?????????? if yes which ones????or heard his lectures?? if yes which ones??? or are you judging him by what your moulvi told you , or just by looking at a statement and judging with your preconceived biases. you should grow up, check his debat with Dr ISrar on islamic state, Dr israr was completely lost, he had no argument whatsoever. And he proved everything by QUran and Dr ISrar could not rebut him at all
 

ahmad12

Citizen
Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

this above message was intended for all those talking against Dr Ghamdi
 

indigo

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

اس دجال غامدی کی اندھا دھند حمائت پارٹی کو لے ڈوبے گی


Kiyo ke tumhae aesa lagta hai, jaha tak mujhae pata hai Shebaz Shareef b Ghamidi sahib ko pasand krtae hai... PPPP or Musfhraf ki hakomato inhae awards diyae hai....​
 

adnan_younus

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

dont put things out of context just like the mulla do... beleiveing is something differnt.. and then telling them u will go to hell is somethig different... for a childs mmind.. a person burning in hell is a bad person.. so yr teachingthat chile all non muslims are bad..... ur totally negating teh concept of dawah .. if our prophet(pbuh) didnt have a feel for all human beings... islam wudnt have spread.. . uve to show concern for all human beings.. thats where islam diferes from all religions.. but sad muslims these days spwecially fasadi mullas differ from the basic essense of islam....
Believig that ohter non muslim will go to hell is not Hatered
by the way the believe same for us so what??
 

nauman

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

gamadi si great man but only those can understand him who want to learn
 

Ali raza babar

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

What great thoughts...!!! Lagta hai Ghamdi Sahib ko Mullah ki mal-practices (dishonesties) ka bohut deep andaza hai ....


Fact yahi hai ... k Mullah jab Quran perhata hai tu Quran ki taleem ki bajaye siraf kuch irrelevat to Quran nazriyat ki taleem de raha hota hai aur naam Quran ka istimaal kerta hai. Jab start se children ko ethics parh.hayi jaye ... tu iss k positive assrat hon.ge. Jab 5th grade main os ko Quran parhana shuru kiya jaye ga tub wo Quran k naam pe kisi aur taleem ko accept nahi kare ga..........


This is really a great proposal by the great scholar Ghamidi Sahib.

@Abdul Allah ... this is for your consideration also.
Islam ki taleem School say nahi maan ki goad say hi start ho jani chahiey .
 

ramses2x1

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

Could anybody tell me about Ghamdi's qualifications , and where from .. i won't take rabwah as an authentic islamic institution shaukat aziz ,, he has been very loyal to Khalifa sahib .. if you have something genuine to say I'm happy to spend my time , but stop quoting ahmadis , sorry to say i don't follow them and don't consider them moslems . they have every right to live and follow their religion , no doubt about that ..
 

Peacemaker

Citizen
Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

Salam All!!!
I respect every ones believe so I will share only my experience here. According to my understanding most of us grow up with believes based on information we gather from our parents and teachers (school and mosque) but unfortunately we just stop there and we fail to create that feeling to explore it. Most authentic information we have among us Quran, books of hadees for sunnies and Nahj al-Balagha for shia brothers and other books from any authentic source. According to my understanding most us read Quran in Arabic and recite it without understanding. We have made a misconception that it is difficult to understand. I have recently started reading translation of Quran with Allah subhana wa talas taufeeq and believe you me it is very easy to understand if we read it with feeling. I would suggest every one to take some time out of our lives to read it with translation as it is written in a way that Allah subhana wa tala is talking to us. With all respect to most of the books I have a strong believe that every hadees or uswae hasna of our beloved Prophet Muhammad PBUH will be linked or will have reflection of Quran. I found it strange though that some of them were started written after 500 years of our Prophets wisal. Anyway keeping it short God gave us taufeeq to go through these treasures we have among us ourselves rather than getting involved in religious discussions with strong believes and some time dangerous attitude without proper knowledge.
Another thing is being a Muslim we should have feeling or pain (dard) for our friends with whom we are getting involved in a discussions in a way that we are showing them right path (if we are sure about what we are saying) not to prove them wrong or kafir.
Regarding this discussion I will agree with Dr. Ghamdis suggestion to some extent though I dont some of his views with all respect. Because it seems true that the way we are following or understanding Islam we are missing the main feeling or light of Islam in our hearts and I think main reason is that we are taking it as granted, we are just reciting it or defending our believes to convince ourselves that I am right and U are wrong.
 

Abdul Allah

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

dont put things out of context just like the mulla do... beleiveing is something differnt.. and then telling them u will go to hell is somethig different... for a childs mmind.. a person burning in hell is a bad person.. so yr teachingthat chile all non muslims are bad..... ur totally negating teh concept of dawah .. if our prophet(pbuh) didnt have a feel for all human beings... islam wudnt have spread.. . uve to show concern for all human beings.. thats where islam diferes from all religions.. but sad muslims these days spwecially fasadi mullas differ from the basic essense of islam....

It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) observed: By Him in Whose hand is the life of Muhammad, he who amongst the community of Jews or Christians hears about me, but does not affirm his belief in that with which I have been sent and dies in this state (of disbelief), he shall be but one of the denizens of Hell-Fire. (Book #001, Hadith #0284)

It is hatered in your eyes
 

indigo

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

Could anybody tell me about Ghamdi's qualifications , and where from .. i won't take rabwah as an authentic islamic institution … shaukat aziz ,, he has been very loyal to Khalifa sahib .. if you have something genuine to say I'm happy to spend my time , but stop quoting ahmadis , sorry to say i don't follow them and don't consider them moslems . they have every right to live and follow their religion , no doubt about that ..

One thing I know, Ghamidi is a critique to Ahmdiya Community and do not accept it, He belongs to Imam Islahi & Imam Frahi School of thoughts, and remained student of Syed Maududi several years... He claims not to belong from any sect... About Qualification im sure it is not from Jamia Benoria [hilar], but he was a member of Council of Islamic Ideology, and they only take highly qualified persons.
 
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indigo

Siasat.pk - Blogger
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Abdul Allah

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong

Member of Council of Islamic Ideology, Yes way.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Islamic_Ideology#Current_members

The Problem is the authority recognize him.....

For a person like me Newton was not even a great man he was just a lucky man.... [hilar]

اِسلامی نظریاتی کونسِل
provide legal advice on Islamic issues to the Government of Pakistan and the Parliament.

The line i post above is enough to show credibility of selection;)

and by they
First chairman of this councel was Justice Abu Saleh Muhammad Akram, former judge of Federal Court of Pakistan (Chairman)
So he must be great scholor then (yapping)
 
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