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Amal

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gwah

Voter (50+ posts)
This is all you people do, all day every day. Islamic sayings, Islamic edicts. Do you even realize how far behind Pakistan is from the rest of the World. You are in the league o Somalia, Sudan maybe Yemen.
What has Allah given you as yet except for humiliation, hunger and disrespect.

Think about it!
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
There is no specific declaration in the Quran to become a Muslim. A person who goes to hell will dwell there permanently. Will a non-Muslim go to hell or heaven?
 

observer-x

Councller (250+ posts)
This is all you people do, all day every day. Islamic sayings, Islamic edicts. Do you even realize how far behind Pakistan is from the rest of the World. You are in the league o Somalia, Sudan maybe Yemen.
What has Allah given you as yet except for humiliation, hunger and disrespect.

Think about it!
Its unfortunate for us to be born in the times that Islamic empires/ leaders are not as powerful compared to few centuries back. It was prophesized by Prophet ﷺ that it would happen due to our own weaknesses. Due to your narrow vision of the last few decades you can't reject the whole divine religion chosen by our creator for the whole humanity.

FYI, Islam has always been the ONLY religion Allah wanted for humans going back to first man on earth. All the prophets were muslims. Muslim is the one who submits his will to the will of our creator Allah. Master of the heavens and the earth.

What has atheism given you in this world? Other than depression and hopelessness and no moral values? Atheism doesn't even go back few centuries for your information.
 
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observer-x

Councller (250+ posts)
There is no specific declaration in the Quran to become a Muslim. A person who goes to hell will dwell there permanently. Will a non-Muslim go to hell or heaven?

O you who have believed, fear Allah as He should be feared and do not die except as Muslims [in submission to Him]. (3:102)

A non-muslim who gets the message and rejects out of arrogance or denial will go to hell for sure. One who never got the message will be tested differently on the day of judgement and will go to heaven or hell based on what Allah - the Most Merciful chooses. And Allah knows the best.
 
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Amal

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
There is no specific declaration in the Quran to become a Muslim. A person who goes to hell will dwell there permanently. Will a non-Muslim go to hell or heaven?

بعض آیات اور احادیث سے یہ مفہوم سمجھ آتا ہے کہ دعوت پہنچنے کے بغیر کسی کو سزا و جزا نہیں ملے گی ، مثلا
فرمان الہی ہے
وَمَا كُنَّا مُعَذِّبِينَ حَتَّى نَبْعَثَ رَسُولاً
"اور ہم کسی کو بھی اس وقت تک عذاب نہیں دیتے حتی کہ رسول مبعوث نہ کر دیں"

جس کے پاس دین کی دعوت نہیں پہنچی ، گویا اس کے لیے رسول کی بعثت ہوئی ہی نہیں ۔

تو ہر وہ شخص جسے اسلام کی دعوت صحیح اور سلیم طریقے سے ملی تو اس پر حجت قائم ہو گئ اور جو اس حال میں مر گیا کہ اسے اسلام کی دعوت نہیں ملی یا پھر اسے صحیح طریقے پر نہیں ملی تو اس کا معاملہ اللہ تعالی کے ذمہ ہے اور وہ اپنی مخلوق کو زیادہ جانتا اور کسی پر ظلم نہیں کرتا اور اللہ تعالی اپنے بندوں کو دیکھ رہا ہے۔
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم

بعض آیات اور احادیث سے یہ مفہوم سمجھ آتا ہے کہ دعوت پہنچنے کے بغیر کسی کو سزا و جزا نہیں ملے گی ، مثلا
فرمان الہی ہے
وَمَا كُنَّا مُعَذِّبِينَ حَتَّى نَبْعَثَ رَسُولاً
"اور ہم کسی کو بھی اس وقت تک عذاب نہیں دیتے حتی کہ رسول مبعوث نہ کر دیں"

جس کے پاس دین کی دعوت نہیں پہنچی ، گویا اس کے لیے رسول کی بعثت ہوئی ہی نہیں ۔

تو ہر وہ شخص جسے اسلام کی دعوت صحیح اور سلیم طریقے سے ملی تو اس پر حجت قائم ہو گئ اور جو اس حال میں مر گیا کہ اسے اسلام کی دعوت نہیں ملی یا پھر اسے صحیح طریقے پر نہیں ملی تو اس کا معاملہ اللہ تعالی کے ذمہ ہے اور وہ اپنی مخلوق کو زیادہ جانتا اور کسی پر ظلم نہیں کرتا اور اللہ تعالی اپنے بندوں کو دیکھ رہا ہے۔
Ofcourse, without the Allah's message reaching the people, they can not be punished by Allah.
Do you think the so called born Muslims are living upto the Quran's message?
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم

O you who have believed, fear Allah as He should be feared and do not die except as Muslims [in submission to Him]. (3:102)

A non-muslim who gets the message and rejects out of arrogance or denial will go to hell for sure. One who never got the message will be tested differently on the day of judgement and will go to heaven or hell based on what Allah - the Most Merciful chooses. And Allah knows the best.
Islam, as we know and see it today, is not at all what is envisioned in the Quran.
The Quran is not about empty religious rituals and Islam is not a religion in the ordinary sense of the word. Islam is a Deen (or a way of life sanctioned by the one God).
The Quran is for all humanity, therefore Islam is not a religion.
 

observer-x

Councller (250+ posts)
Islam, as we know and see it today, is not at all what is envisioned in the Quran.
The Quran is not about empty religious rituals and Islam is not a religion in the ordinary sense of the word. Islam is a Deen (or a way of life sanctioned by the one God).
The Quran is for all humanity, therefore Islam is not a religion.
This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion. (Quran 5:3)

Trying to gauge where you're coming from. You think Prophet ﷺ was able to show Islam in its best application (who was himself a walking representation of Quran)?
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion. (Quran 5:3)

Trying to gauge where you're coming from. You think Prophet ﷺ was able to show Islam in its best application (who was himself a walking representation of Quran)?
Once again Islam is not a religion, but submission to God. The majority of the translations have used the word Islam as a religion.
Islam derives from the root word Siin-Lam-Miim, meaning to be peaceful, greetings, security, or submission.
 

observer-x

Councller (250+ posts)
Once again Islam is not a religion, but submission to God. The majority of the translations have used the word Islam as a religion.
Islam derives from the root word Siin-Lam-Miim, meaning to be peaceful, greetings, security, or submission.
No doubt اسلام comes from root سلم or اسلم meaning submission.
But why reject the efforts of the messenger and his followers using a revolutionary application of Islam via Quran and Sunnah that resulted in Islam reaching every corner of this world? And now Alhumdulillah reaching 2 billion followers all over the world.
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
No doubt اسلام comes from root سلم or اسلم meaning submission.
But why reject the efforts of the messenger and his followers using a revolutionary application of Islam via Quran and Sunnah that resulted in Islam reaching every corner of this world? And now Alhumdulillah reaching 2 billion followers all over the world.
Where does this Sunnah come from? The Messanger only received the Quran as the revelation nothing more.
Two billion followers of which Islam?
 

observer-x

Councller (250+ posts)
Where does this Sunnah come from? The Messanger only received the Quran as the revelation nothing more.
Two billion followers of which Islam?
Sunnah is what Messenger SAW did, approved, agreed, disagreed whether in verbal form or the gestures. All of that is preserved just like Quran is preserved. Anyone who denies sunnah they're better off denying the Quran as well coz both got passed on by the SAME companions of Messenger SAW in the similar way.

Quran did not reveal as the tablet of Musa AS, it was passed on in the same format as the sunnah/ hadith via the companions of the Messenger SAW.

2 billion followers are the ones who say La ilah illallah Muhammad ur rasool Allah -There is no one worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad is the prophet of Allah. Anyone who says this kalimah is a muslim regardless of all other secondary stuff which don't matter as much as the kalimah does which is the key to Jannah.
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Sunnah is what Messenger SAW did, approved, agreed, disagreed whether in verbal form or the gestures. All of that is preserved just like Quran is preserved. Anyone who denies sunnah they're better off denying the Quran as well coz both got passed on by the SAME companions of Messenger SAW in the similar way.

Quran did not reveal as the tablet of Musa AS, it was passed on in the same format as the sunnah/ hadith via the companions of the Messenger SAW.

2 billion followers are the ones who say La ilah illallah Muhammad ur rasool Allah -There is no one worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad is the prophet of Allah. Anyone who says this kalimah is a muslim regardless of all other secondary stuff which don't matter as much as the kalimah does which is the key to Jannah.
What proof do you have that the Sunnah was preserved? The Quran was preserved and written down at the time of the Prophet Mohammad, while the ahadith or sunnah has no credibility or authenticity. They are full of contradiction, weird stories, and outright insults to Messanger and his companions.
Did Allah reveal the Quran or the fabricated ahadith written some 200+ years after the demise of the Messanger?
 

observer-x

Councller (250+ posts)
What proof do you have that the Sunnah was preserved? The Quran was preserved and written down at the time of the Prophet Mohammad, while the ahadith or sunnah has no credibility or authenticity. They are full of contradiction, weird stories, and outright insults to Messanger and his companions.
Did Allah reveal the Quran or the fabricated ahadith written some 200+ years after the demise of the Messanger?
The same science of Asma ur Rijal proves Sunnah just like Quran.
Sunnah/ hadith has 16 categories which gives us guidelines of which ones to rely on and which ones to not.
Allah preserved Sunnah using the same companions of Messenger SAW who preserved Quran. Doubting sunnah is doubting Quran - as simple as that.
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
The same science of Asma ur Rijal proves Sunnah just like Quran.
Sunnah/ hadith has 16 categories which gives us guidelines of which ones to rely on and which ones to not.
Allah preserved Sunnah using the same companions of Messenger SAW who preserved Quran. Doubting sunnah is doubting Quran - as simple as that.
Let me ask you a simple Question. Did Allah reveal the Quran or the Sunnah & Hadith of the Prophet written some 200+ years after his demise?
On the day of judgment, Allah will ask you about the Quran or the man-made ahadith & sunnah.
 

observer-x

Councller (250+ posts)
No other prophet was given the miracle of the preservation of teachings of Messenger SAW - either in Quran or Sunnah literature. That is why Quran says:

(4:59) ...يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓا۟ أَطِيعُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا۟ ٱلرَّسُولَ
O you who have believed, obey Allāh and obey the Messenger

Now if Allah did not intend to preserve the Sunnah also, how else we (who are centuries apart from the advent of Islam) can follow the Messenger SAW?

Allah will ask on the Day of Judgement if we followed the Quran and Sunnah based on this ayah mentioned above.
 

observer-x

Councller (250+ posts)
Also, if you don't follow Sunnah how do you know how Messenger SAW prayed? How he fasted? How he did hajj? Quran does not mention all those nitty gritty details, it could only be learnt from Sunnah.
 

observer-x

Councller (250+ posts)
Wake up Pak we all have presuppositions about things (esp. Islam) out of ignorance and tend to preach that to the rest of the world thinking our way is the truth.

Its not a competition on who wins the argument, its about informing ourselves and others of why Islam is the truth. People living outside Pakistan have a bigger role to play in this era of miscommunication. Hope to hear from you on this.
 

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