At least we have something to read in Islamic literature, whether we believe it or not. Quranists don't have that luxury either, they just assume Quran came down in a secure tunnel without any human influence.
Yes. Logically it does make sense. Arab culture was all poetry based, they memorized stuff and took pride in their language. Quran was preserved in the same way. Also, Quran was a progressive revelation, it did not reveal in one go. It took 23 years.
Memorizing and reading Quran basically and Madinan times was mostly filled with battles so they took part in those as well.
They did not have as much time like us to waste. They had the company of Prophet SAW who had a mission and they all were 100% on it.
Establishing Islam was one of the most important job, preserving Quran is the promise of Allah and Allah made it happen even after passing of Prophet SAW.
Agreed, completed as a revelation almost at the end of his life before passing. But there were no one copy they all adhered to, for it being a progressive revelation.
They might have, it was not a burning problem to solve for them.
Quran copies were also burnt. That is how one baseline copy of Usmanic mushaf came about.
I would answer you step by step but basically all of this comes from your fairytale books with no real foundation in reality or it having any real evidence to being true, so I've just clumped it together.
That's your opinion, we disagree.
Unlike you I don't believe in fairytales and deal only in facts and these are pretty much are facts and you can crosscheck them with your own sources. There is a lot of talk about this in the Arab world, but since us desi's are so intolerant, any such discussion is immediately shut down and swept under the carpet. Take this forum as an example, any such posts here and everyone is immediately shouting, delete this thread, ban these people! I'll have to admit this has been one of the most civil conversations and (I must admit I am enjoying it too)I've had from any one from the other side in quite a few years. Lets hope it doesn't end the way it usually does.
I'll give you a starting point. Go research the name Muhammad Ibn Yusuf Al Firabri, add student of Bukhari to it, since there is also another historical figure with that last name.
You got to be kidding me, you have issue with a sahabi for writing most hadith?
I don't have an issue. like I mentioned earlier Abu Bakr and Umar made sure they burned them. So you gotta figure out why they had issues with people writing hadith. I think you are very ill informed, no surprise there as more defenders of the hadith are. So let me educate you a little and you can cross check for yourself to its autneticity
Bukhari and students of bukhari and students of the student of Bukhari were not Sahabis. Let me repeat they were not sahabis, not even tabieens or taba tabieens ( please go look up the definition of those last too terms) I think you don't know Bukhari didn't live in the time of the Prophet. Bukhari was born a full 238 years after the Prophet died. He was born in Bukhara ( a place very very very far away from Makkah and Medina, present day Uzbekistan ) which used to be part of the Persian empire. In fact majority of your hadith compilers are of Persian descent, you know the same glorious Persian Empire which had just been conquered by a bunch of ragtag desert people and nothing angered them more and very sore about it. In fact they are still sore to this day about it, Try calling an Irani, arab or middle easterner, or call the Persian gulf the Arabian gulf and see what happens!!!!
You have your own programming and indoctrination for rejecting the hadith.
You see I spent 40 plus years being a very good boy sunni Full acha bacha. Doing all the namaz roza hajj and all that good stuff and it wasn't like overnight or even a few nights I came to the side of the real truth. It was a long drawn up journey spread over many many years and verified everything myself countless times over because I did not want to be jumping out of the firepan straight into the fire as the saying goes. So there is no brainwashing, programming or indoctrination here. This is all self researched. Its like saying to a new convert to Islam you have been brain washed. The only thing that "indoctrinated" me were facts, all out in the public domain for all to see and accepting the Quran as it is without any preconceived notions
What's wrong with people having differences?
You can't have it both ways mate, one moment you literally worship the sahabas and everything they say or do is 1001% kosher and you have to follow because the Prophet told them to do such and such but when it comes this. Abu Bakr and Umar burning hadith and Umar whipping the Cat Father and Aisha calling him a liar is Ohhh nothing wrong with that its all glad tidings and stuff they were just having minor differences, So what if umar beat the shit out cat father and the umm al momineen called him liar, so what, come one man, its all good in the hood.
Like I said the amount of mental and verbal hoops you are willing to jump for this cause is truly astonishing!
For something to be written by someone around him, it doesn't say he wanted to write with his own hands. Your points are really weak sir, to be honest
It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) was dying, there were men in the house among whom was ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab. The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said:
“Come, let me write for you a document after which you will not go astray.” ‘Umar said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) is overcome with pain, and you have the Quran; the Book of Allah is sufficient for us.
Narrated by al-Bukhaari (6932) and Muslim (1637)
I'm sure I read it write, and don't think no matter how many mental and verbal hoops you jump through this time it can be said to say or mean "Can someone write this down" Because only when someone one wants to write something himself he will say bring me a pen and paper, if he wants it to be written down, he will say "write this down" The words and intentions are very clear. Many mullahs have tried as I'm sure you will also try now to spin this into something it is not.
For simple reason it was initial times, things are needed when few generations pass by and need for preservation of deen is really felt.
In all honesty this one really did make me laugh out loud. I swear Ive been doing this for a while now and I have never ever heard anyone say this before ! LOL. Good one bro, in case you were wondering. This also falls under the verbal and mental gymnastic category. Honestly bro I am started to feel bad for you that you have to come up with such far fetched non sensical excuses for these things.
Well if you have company of prophet your level of spirituality and deen is way different that ones who don't.
Prophet SAW himself said:
خير القرون قرني
ثم الذين يلونهم
ثم الذين يلونهم
The best of centuries is my generation, then those who come after them, then those who come after them.
Things went in decline after that, that is why preservation mechanism of various other literature is needed.
Cool proving hadith is authentic from the hadith itself. ........
That's your heretic view.
Errr wrong once again.BIG TIME!
Allah says in the Quran 75:17 - We shall make sure of its safe collection and recitation. And its a well know fact and even the greatest sunni scholar will admit the hadith is full of contradiction.
I'm starting to get the feeling you don't know much about the Quran itself, let alone hadith.
You son of a mother trucker!
