How Do You Fast in These Regions of The World?
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Citizen X
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Actually I couldn't help myself and found it myself and reading it. Us ko koi andaza nahi hai ke us ne kis bala ke saath panga ley liya hai. Mughal1 novel likh likh ke us ki dimagh ki dahi ker deyga!
Bhai aap ki bhi thordi ghalti hai, you didn't catch him at the right times at the right points and went off topic arguing about useless stuff he dragged you into.
For example. When he says Quran alone is a new thing which just started recently, this is total BS. Quran only followers have been there since day one, in fact majority of the Muslims were Quran followers even when hadith had come out people really didn't care for them much, it was just something that was there, like someone writes a good article in a magazine these days, that was the total worth of hadith those days, ek dafa pard li bus, neither were any real ruling made using fiqh derived from hadith its only when their stupid mullahs like imam shafi started to peddle hadith as a superior source to Quran that this stupidity of hadith as somekind of holy doctrine start to emerge. Even Abu Hanifah was against hadith, but later these deceptive sunnis portrayed him as some kind of stauch hadithist and used his name to create "another school of thought" i,e madhzab
The Ahl e ray rejected hadith, the mutazilites rejected hadith. Abbasid caliph Al Mamun rejected hadith so much so he even prosecuted hadith followers and favored the Ahl Al Kalam people.
And there are many such examples going back right to the beginning of which these sunnis don't know about it because they are never thought anything out of their indoctrination curriculum, specially if you are a desi as we are the most intolenrant people of them all.
Wake up Pak
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Us ko koi andaza nahi hai ke us ne kis bala ke saath panga ley liya hai. Mughal1 novel likh likh ke us ki dimagh ki dahi ker deyga!
observer-x
Councller (250+ posts)
Yes, buck doesn't stop at deliver a message but exemplify with being a person who could be a walking Quran (as per Ayesha's RA hadith) with his character. And to implement the deen of Islam in the world.
He did all three. Its ironical how Quranists take the Messenger SAW out of the whole equation to whom Quran was reveled, who implemented Quran and established the society that follows Quran.
Prophets and messengers are to be followed other wise Allah could have just delivered a message with angels without showing any practical implementation from a human being himself. Think about it, Quranists totally miss this point.
Wake up Pak
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Once again, will you implement the message of the Quran in your life, or will you simply praise the messenger?
observer-x
Councller (250+ posts)
You missed the point again, if Allah had sent Quran via an angel only without a human being would it have sufficed for you?
observer-x
Councller (250+ posts)
I admire your audacity seriously.
For Quranists who don't know Arabic and adamant on not learning Arabic solely rely on a translator. How do you know that person is translating correctly or anyone is translating correctly without you knowing the language at all? Now based on that you claim you understand Quran more than anyone else out there?
observer-x
Councller (250+ posts)
Atheists claim Quran is also a fairy tale book. There is no solid evidence of anything from philosophical perspective. Eventually with this mindset people dump Quran too (May Allah protect you)
You seem to believe I have no knowledge on this topic. Bad judgement call sir.
Shaytan is out there to get us even on the deathbed even after spending our whole lives as believers. May Allah protect us all from all the fitna out there.
I don't believe sahabas were infallible, they did make mistakes like every other human would. Umar RA loved beating people up, according to shia he beat Fatima RA too, that doesn't mean she had done anything wrong.
Quran claims Prophet SAW was an ummi (illerate). How come you're going with hadith over Quran? Don't forget you're Quranist first sir.
Its a faulty argument. Talk to atheists they'd corner you with the same argument about Quran. We all start from pre-suppositions and beliefs be it Quran or hadith.Narrated by al-Bukhaari (6932) and Muslim (1637)
I'm sure I read it write, and don't think no matter how many mental and verbal hoops you jump through this time it can be said to say or mean "Can someone write this down" Because only when someone one wants to write something himself he will say bring me a pen and paper, if he wants it to be written down, he will say "write this down" The words and intentions are very clear. Many mullahs have tried as I'm sure you will also try now to spin this into something it is not.
In all honesty this one really did make me laugh out loud. I swear Ive been doing this for a while now and I have never ever heard anyone say this before ! LOL. Good one bro, in case you were wondering. This also falls under the verbal and mental gymnastic category. Honestly bro I am started to feel bad for you that you have to come up with such far fetched non sensical excuses for these things.
Cool proving hadith is authentic from the hadith itself. ........
Its not helping you my friend.
Based on who and what? You have subjective view of everything in Islam (which means you're nobody), we follow the predecessors collectively for every topic.
At least when Allah will ask us on the Day of Judgement we'd say it was not by my whims and desires, I followed the learned men. What would you say to Allah if you're wrong? You alone will be accountable.
Again, you're making a judgement that you know more that I do. I have a backing of all the scholars, what backing do you have? Just you and your nafs?
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Wake up Pak
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Mr. You keep repeating that I don't know Arabic. I asked you to translate a simple verse, but you failed and added fairy tales to the verse. Are you proficient in Arabic, as you claim?
Your willingness to ask questions, yet not answer any, suggests you require serious consultation.
Wake up Pak
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
What difference does it make what medium Allah uses to send the message? The most important thing is the Quran, the message itself.
observer-x
Councller (250+ posts)
You're lost again, Allah has been consistent, all prophets and messengers were 'humans' not angels. For the reason that humans follow humans. Prophets showed what is humanly possible and allowed others to follow and imitate. That is why Quran always says follow Messenger.
Otherwise how humans are, they'd always say Allah angel was supernatural we have weaknesses and desires of humans how can we imitate. Allah has closed the door of excuse. Prophets went through worse than we ever can only for the reason that if they can do it being a human we can do it too. Do what? Implement Allah's chosen deen of Islam in the world.
Wake up Pak
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Sorry to say, but your post makes absolutely no sense.
observer-x
Councller (250+ posts)
Bcoz Quranists have no answer to it. Your basis is message only and you're stuck on it, Islam has the whole application perspective which you ignore.
Wake up Pak
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I've quoted several verses earlier that the Quran is detailed and complete. Since you don't believe in the Quran only, you come up with weird stories and statements.
observer-x
Councller (250+ posts)
That is fine, I don't mind denial. Our job is to give message, hidayah is with Allah.
Why were only humans sent as prophets?
Was ever an angel sent as a prophet?
Wake up Pak
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Come to the point, how come you couldn't translate a simple verse of the Quran, and yet you claim to know Arabic?
observer-x
Councller (250+ posts)
What's your criteria for finding the correct translation if you don't know Arabic?
I can throw away all the translations currently in existence yet can still understand Quran coz I know Arabic. What tool do you have other than relying on translation from a third person you don't even know?
Wake up Pak
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
No, you do not understand Arabic otherwise you would have given me the correct translation of the verse. Admit it, you are just fooling yourself.
observer-x
Councller (250+ posts)
Thanks for the info. Looks like you really do know Arabic right?
observer-x
Councller (250+ posts)
Wake up Pak why is it so hard to fathom that people do learn Arabic to understand Quran other than ones who don't bother to learn the language of the book of Allah.
