Religion, Philosophy & Reason

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Let's put you face to face with Allah. Show me from any one Hadith Qudsi what you think is filth according to your misguided standards.
Sorry I do not partake in shrik by calling manmade words divine revelation.

But first you sunni mushriks decide how many actual these shirkiya hadith qudsi are there in the first place.

Your scholars for dollars say over 200 Hadith Qudsi have been recorded and authenticated to varying degrees, there is no official total count because it depends on the criteria used to define and authenticate them.

So you all still in the process, and you never know some other scholar for dollar will come tomorrow and declare x y z hadith Qudsi as fabricated, then what?

“If it were not for you (O Muhammad), I would not have created the universe.” This used to be considered a hadith Qudsi then Uncle Albani came along and declared them fabricated. So now there. For centuries upon centuries you sunni mushriks were believing Allah created the Universe for Muhammad ( astaghfirullah!!!) and now gai bhains pani mein

“I was a hidden treasure and I loved to be known, so I created the creation.” Your Sufiya and Uliyah Ikram love to qoute this Haidth Qudsi but then a faction of you mushriks consider this to be a fabrication. So whose right and why?

More examples of hadith you mushriks thought were Qudsi and fully believed in but later some uncle declared them fabricated.

The first thing Allah created was the pen, and then He commanded it to write down everything that will happen.

The whole world is a mosque except for graves and bathrooms.

Whoever does not believe in the qadar is not a believer.

So who knows tomorrow another Uncle Albani will come and rip to shreds some more of your Hadith Qudsi.
 

observer-x

Councller (250+ posts)
So you all still in the process, and you never know some other scholar for dollar will come tomorrow and declare x y z hadith Qudsi as fabricated, then what?

“If it were not for you (O Muhammad), I would not have created the universe.” This used to be considered a hadith Qudsi then Uncle Albani came along and declared them fabricated. So now there. For centuries upon centuries you sunni mushriks were believing Allah created the Universe for Muhammad ( astaghfirullah!!!) and now gai bhains pani mein
Why do you hate Prophet SAW so much that you can't stand him being the reason for the creation of this universe?
The whole world is a mosque except for graves and bathrooms.
Whoever does not believe in the qadar is not a believer.
Qadar is the basic tenant of belief. I'm sure you deny it which makes you an inventor of a new religion.
So who knows tomorrow another Uncle Albani will come and rip to shreds some more of your Hadith Qudsi.
Good luck with your new religion. You guys love to redefine the meaning of everything right. You just added mushrik to that list. Anyone who doesn't believe in your new ritual less, Prophet less religion. 🤣 😂 🤣 🤣
 

observer-x

Councller (250+ posts)
WTF do you mean how do you read? What you don't know how to read that I have to tell you how to read it? Are you this stupid naturally or do you have to practice?
Don't play naive. You're the ones redefining everything for your new religion. You don't agree with our reading so you better tell us your dumbshit reading drill.
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Why do you hate Prophet SAW so much that you can't stand him being the reason for the creation of this universe?
Its not your fault, you're a dumb sunni mushrik who has been indoctrinated into hero worship and have turned Muhammad into somekind of hero and thats why such huge fairytales have been concocted trying portray him as somekind of superman. When in the Quran it clearly states he is nothing but a man.

And you actually knew the deen of Allah you would also find that thought revolting. Allah created the universe for all mankind and he clearly says in the Quran than all prophets are of equal stature and not differentiate between them

2:136 Say, "We have believed in Allāh and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims to Him."

The only thing special in nature for Prophet Muhammad was that he was the last of the Prophets.

What you are doing is again hero worship and even worse attributing Allah to it also, that he so in love with one of his creations that he hasn't created yet that he goes on to create a whole universe just for than one creation. If you can't seen anything wrong with this, then there is no hope for you
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Qadar is the basic tenant of belief. I'm sure you deny it which makes you an inventor of a new religion.
You dumb Mushrik schmuck thats an example of your beloved qudsi hadith which your own great scholar labeled as fabricated. Man seriosuly are you really this dumb?
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Good luck with your new religion. You guys love to redefine the meaning of everything right. You just added mushrik to that list. Anyone who doesn't believe in your new ritual less, Prophet less religion. 🤣 😂 🤣 🤣
Poor dumb mushrik sunni when he got caught out with his pants down about his beloved imaginary hadith qudsi he went back to his script of dumbassery and bongis! 😂
 

observer-x

Councller (250+ posts)
Its not your fault, you're a dumb sunni mushrik who has been indoctrinated into hero worship and have turned Muhammad into somekind of hero and thats why such huge fairytales have been concocted trying portray him as somekind of superman. When in the Quran it clearly states he is nothing but a man.

And you actually knew the deen of Allah you would also find that thought revolting. Allah created the universe for all mankind and he clearly says in the Quran than all prophets are of equal stature and not differentiate between them

2:136 Say, "We have believed in Allāh and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims to Him."

The only thing special in nature for Prophet Muhammad was that he was the last of the Prophets.

What you are doing is again hero worship and even worse attributing Allah to it also, that he so in love with one of his creations that he hasn't created yet that he goes on to create a whole universe just for than one creation. If you can't seen anything wrong with this, then there is no hope for you
Its not your fault either, you're brainwashed by Parwezis.
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
You don't like being called one right? 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 Hard to see your real ugly face.
I saw you crying in your new thread, there there beta its ok, sub theek ho jaye ga 😂 😂 😂
If I was a follower of Ghulam Ahmed Perwez I would loudly announce it, not a chicken shit like you. But unfortunately for you I think he's is just as big of an idiot as you are, hmmmm maybe slightly less.
 

observer-x

Councller (250+ posts)
I saw you crying in your new thread, there there beta its ok, sub theek ho jaye ga 😂 😂 😂
If I was a follower of Ghulam Ahmed Perwez I would loudly announce it, not a chicken shit like you. But unfortunately for you I think he's is just as big of an idiot as you are, hmmmm maybe slightly less.
You don't have to announce, your words speak louder.

The issue I see with you is you hate when someone disagrees with you. World doesn't work this way, its fine to agree to disagree. When you show arrogance at that time you lose it all.

On the contrary my job is to tell you the truth, you take it or not its on me. I don't take it to heart any criticism, or foul language. Its not my job to convince anyone, I only convey.
 
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Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
You don't have to announce, your words speak louder.
Yes but you still can't help being your lying self so have to make up baseless lies and allegations to win "brownie points", now don't you 😇
Besides you think I care, being called a perwezi its the most tame thing Ive been called right here on this forum. Been called a qaidiani, kaffir, shia, mulhid, Yahoodi, American agent ( Of course you know in Pakistan you are not doing your job properly if you haven't been called a yahudi or american agent 😂) to down right maa phen diya karrian karrian gallan. So on and so forth. So if it makes you happy go right ahead, just gives me an opputunity to drub you even more.
The issue I see with you is you hate when someone disagrees with you.
Oh quite contraire mon ami as you can see very recently where I instantly accepted my fault and even thanked you for pointing out that mistake, the instant I realized I was wrong where the verse was translated as source when it should have been refuge. Unlike you, even after being pointed out several times you were mocking and insulting Quranic verses instead of rectifying your mistake, you doubled down on it. So some one who cannot accept being wrong even when it comes to the Quran, then there really is no hope for them.

I am looking for someone to tell me I am wrong and then logically prove it with solid arguments and reference and with due consideration I will change my stance. Something you or your ilk over the many years have failed miserably to do in this regards. Because no one wants to end up in hell or be willfully disobedient to God or miss out on many other things due to faulty understanding. So I openly invite anyone and everyone.

On the contrary my job is to tell you the truth
I'm most probably much older than you and have spent more years being a acha bacha namzi, rozaydaar, haji ( yes haji), zakat fitrana paying, Quran reading and hadith reciting sunni than you have been alive. I have read and researched and forgotten more as a typical sunni than you can remember right now. I have read and forgotten more Hadith and about hadith than you have or most probablly ever will. I am pretty much 100% sure you haven't completely read even one of your sacred collections from the Sahih Sitta.

So yeah I know more about your "truth" than you actually think you do. So thanks, but no thanks. 😉

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I don't take it to heart any criticism, or foul language
People who act like moronic children and bring nothing to the table other than just false allegations and lies are then treated as such. You want to be treated like an adult, then act and talk like one.
 

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