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  1. Citizen X

    Empowering the cancer that is Pak army

    Sara hi budget in BC'don dey do, waisay bi hardap hi lena hai.
  2. Citizen X

    Quranist/ Parwezi glossary of religious terms.

    Cherry pick? Whose cherry picking. Your needle has been stuck on ibadat since post #95 and won't go past it and now its post #135 Everytime I asnwer you, you say no this not ibadat this is fulan, no this is dhimkan. So now when I've finally given up trying to explain to you what I believe is...
  3. Citizen X

    Quranist/ Parwezi glossary of religious terms.

    Nope this discussion is not going anywhwere If you can't answer, stop making up excuses. You made such a HUGH STINK about ibadat and got stuck on it even when I had many times answered it and now when I am asking you over and over again that ok fine quite possibly I am wrong, then explain to me...
  4. Citizen X

    Quranist/ Parwezi glossary of religious terms.

    Stop moving goal posts, dodgeing and running away! You made such a huge deal about me now knowing what Ibadat means, now I am asking you AGAIN for the millionth time! Tell me what your explaination of Ibadat is.
  5. Citizen X

    Quranist/ Parwezi glossary of religious terms.

    Oh look who finally mustered up the courage to comeback. How surprising. Well then stop running away and dodgeing the question, I ask you for the Nth time why don't you educate me on it then.
  6. Citizen X

    Quranist/ Parwezi glossary of religious terms.

    Oh look, who ran away now, as predicted.
  7. Citizen X

    Quranist/ Parwezi glossary of religious terms.

    I already told you I am dumb and that is the only definition I know, so why do you educate me on what it really means
  8. Citizen X

    Quranist/ Parwezi glossary of religious terms.

    You are calling my detailed with reference comments, hit and run. Really bro? Once again each and every point has been addressed in detail with references. Please point out where this was not done, unless you think not getting the answers you want rather than the answers I've provided No what...
  9. Citizen X

    Quranist/ Parwezi glossary of religious terms.

    Quite the contrary, you're just stuck on one point and hoping somehow by asking me the same thing over and over again eventually I give you the answer you want me to give. Thats not runnig away. Thats called running out of material, because the direction you were trying to steer the conversation...
  10. Citizen X

    Quranist/ Parwezi glossary of religious terms.

    With all due respect. I really don't care what you believe in. I only care about what the Quran says Again I don't deal in opinions but rather facts and truth i.e Quran. Once again no offense intended and as explained earlier if you are following your scholars, then they are your mabudhs and...
  11. Citizen X

    Quranist/ Parwezi glossary of religious terms.

    I cannot put it any clearer than I already have and no matter how many times you ask me, the answer will never be your rituals to the definition of Ibadat. I already prempted your question and answered it so I didn't have to do it again? 🤨 Just in case you forgot what I said Exactly what the...
  12. Citizen X

    Quranist/ Parwezi glossary of religious terms.

    Where was the assumption? So maybe you should go into details. I just clarified my point about having an unbaised and open mind when reading the Quran in order to properly understand it. Tell me I am wrong that when you read salat, you don't think it means your 5 tiimes ritual prayer. Tell me...
  13. Citizen X

    Quranist/ Parwezi glossary of religious terms.

    No the definition does not include rituals that was my whole point, if it's not then surely you can prove it from the Quran. Rather its your ideology that has these foriegn rituals tied down as Ibadat. No the only disingenuous thing here is you forcefully trying to steer me towards your rituals...
  14. Citizen X

    Quranist/ Parwezi glossary of religious terms.

    See Allah works in mysterious ways. You had this bias in your mind that my intention is to somehow belittle you, mock you, insult you etc etc so even when I was actually trying to give you some good advise you thought I was making fun of you. WHy because your of your bias, you could not see past...
  15. Citizen X

    Quranist/ Parwezi glossary of religious terms.

    Like I said you won't find my reply satisfactory because I'm not giving you the answer you want which has to include your rituals. Already replied to. But once again you will never find my reply satisfactory in this case because I'm not giving you the answer you want which has to at every cost...
  16. Citizen X

    Quranist/ Parwezi glossary of religious terms.

    Dude relax. I thought we were having ceasefire and a civil conversation under the terms of said ceasefire? When did I attack you in this post. Why are you so uptight. Chill man! Its just simple advise, like you have to purify yourself before you do your salat Similarly one has to purify his mind...
  17. Citizen X

    Quranist/ Parwezi glossary of religious terms.

    For this we will have to understand what does Ibadat really means. Ibadat means when you have totally given yourself up so someone and follow and do what ever that someone says. He then becomes your Mabudh i.e the one you worship and adore and you become his abid i.e the one who worships and...
  18. Citizen X

    Quranist/ Parwezi glossary of religious terms.

    That is because you are reading the Quran with your biases of what you have been taught prevously, only way you can really understand the Quran now is as if you are reading it for the very first time without have any prior knowledge of Islam or what you know about it. Literally you have to start...
  19. Citizen X

    Quranist/ Parwezi glossary of religious terms.

    The Quran disagrees with you, that the Quran is both objective and subjective and thats why it always challeges the person to think and ponder over it. "It is He who has sent down to you [O Muhammad] the Book; in it are verses that are clear (muhkamat) — they are the foundation of the Book — and...
  20. Citizen X

    Quranist/ Parwezi glossary of religious terms.

    A person can always specifically ask again, if it is so important, really not a big deal.
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