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Wake up Pak

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RajaRawal111

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Don't have time and interest for this 28-minute lecture. Here is Aya on 4 marriages allowed Quran. If this does not address your question properly, then your question is stated with the wrong words in the title.

وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تُقْسِطُوا۟ فِى ٱلْيَتَـٰمَىٰ فَٱنكِحُوا۟ مَا طَابَ لَكُم مِّنَ ٱلنِّسَآءِ مَثْنَىٰ وَثُلَـٰثَ وَرُبَـٰعَ ۖ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تَعْدِلُوا۟ فَوَٰحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَـٰنُكُمْ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ أَدْنَىٰٓ أَلَّا تَعُولُوا۟ ٣

Surah 4 An-Nisa, Ayat 3-3. (4:3)
If you fear you might fail to give orphan women their ˹due˺ rights ˹if you were to marry them˺, then marry other women of your choice—two, three, or four. But if you are afraid you will fail to maintain justice, then ˹content yourselves with˺ one1 or those ˹bondwomen˺ in your possession.2 This way you are less likely to commit injustice.
 

Wake up Pak

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“FOUR (4) MARRIAGES FOR MALES”
Now is the turn for the most crucial and world-renowned issue of FOUR MARRIAGES supposed to be allowed to Muslim males in ISLAM. Let us most academically analyze the respective Verse so that the black scar of Polygamy in Islam can be washed away from its face. Presented hereunder is Verse 4:3:-

4:3 :
وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تُقْسِطُوا فِي الْيَتَامَىٰ فَانكِحُوا مَا طَابَ لَكُم مِّنَ النِّسَاءِ مَثْنَىٰ وَثُلَاثَ وَرُ‌بَاعَ ۖ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تَعْدِلُوا فَوَاحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ أَدْنَىٰ أَلَّا تَعُولُوا ﴿٣﴾

Transliteration: “Wa in khiftum allaa tuqsitoo fil yatama, fa ankihu maa taaba la-kum min an-Nisaa mathnaa, wa thalatha, wa ruba’a. Fa in khiftum alla ta’diloo, fa wahdah, aou maa malakat ayimanu-kum. Zaalika adnaa alla ta’ooloo.”

Corrupted traditional translation:-

"And if you have reason to fear that you might not act equitably towards orphans, then marry from among [other] women such as are lawful to you - [even] two, or three, or four: but if you have reason to fear that you might not be able to treat them with equal fairness, then [only] one - or [from among] those whom you rightfully possess. This will make it more likely that you will not deviate from the right course."(Asad)

This is the only Verse in the entire Quran whose fake translation has served to legitimize FOUR MARRIAGES for Muslim males. As is obvious, this translation being fully inconsistent and ambiguous in its expression, stands as a gross disregard or insult of human knowledge, intellect, and wisdom. Kindly note that the Quranic topic under discussion deals exclusively with the solution of the ISSUE OF ORPHAN CHILDREN, and ordains good and just treatment for them. ORPHANS are younger, non-adult children whose father, who is their guardian and sustainer, has died. This poor segment of society (النِّسَاءِ) consists of both males and females. HOWEVER, in utter disregard of the described facts, suddenly from nowhere, many adult women, willing to marry, spring up and marriages Momineen with up to FOUR of them, simultaneously, declared eligible! Can we find some logical explanation of this ordeal? Do adult and mature women fall in the category of ORPHANS? Assuming that the MINOR ORPHAN GIRLS were taken as eligible for marriages and taken in marriages forcibly, what was done about the MINOR ORPHAN MALES?? A total deplorable silence will be noted here!!! What nonsense was the Book of Divine Wisdom subjected to, can we imagine? What kind of a blind conformist nation the Muslims appear to be, in view of the historical fact that in the past 1400 years, no one – virtually nobody, – ever raised a single finger of objection to this cheapest of frauds!!!

NOW, the most up-to-date Rational Translation:-

4:3 :
وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تُقْسِطُوا فِي الْيَتَامَىٰ فَانكِحُوا مَا طَابَ لَكُم مِّنَ النِّسَاءِ مَثْنَىٰ وَثُلَاثَ وَرُ‌بَاعَ ۖ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تَعْدِلُوا فَوَاحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ أَدْنَىٰ أَلَّا تَعُولُوا ﴿٣﴾

4:3 “And if you have reason to fear that you might not act equitably towards orphans, then SPONSOR OR TAKE UNDER YOUR GUARDIANSHIP (فَانكِحُوا) from this weaker segment of society (مِّنَ النِّسَاءِ) two, three and four of such as may deem appropriate to you; then if you think you can’t treat all of them justly, sponsor only one; OR just take care of those who are already under your subordination through an oath or working contract/agreement (مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ). This way it is more likely that you will not overburden yourselves.
 

Wake up Pak

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For the sake of argument, if I believe that a person can have up to four wives, then did Prophet Mohammad go against the Quran?

The were nine: 'Aisha d. Abu Bakr; Hafsa d. 'Umar; Umm Habiba d. Abu Sufyan; Umm Salama d. Abu Umayya b. al-Mughira; Sauda d. Zama'a b. Qays; Zaynab d. Jahsh b. Ri'ab; Maymuna d. al-Harith b. Hazn; Juwayriya d. al-Harith b. Abu Dirar; and Safiya d. Huyay b. Akhtab according to what more than one traditionist has told me.

He married thirteen women:
Khadija d. Khuwaylid, his first wife whom her father Khuwaylid b. Asad, or according to others her brother 'Amr, married to him. The apostle gave her as dowry twenty she-camels. She bare all the apostle's children except Ibrahim. She had been previously married to Abu Hala b. Malik, one of B. Usayyid b. ‘Amr b. Tamim, an ally of B. ‘Abdu’l-Dar to whom she bore Hind b. ‘Abid b. ‘Abdullah b. ‘Umar b. Makhzum to whom she bore ‘Abdullah and Jariya. [1]
 

RajaRawal111

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
As received

“FOUR (4) MARRIAGES FOR MALES”
Now is the turn for the most crucial and world-renowned issue of FOUR MARRIAGES supposed to be allowed to Muslim males in ISLAM. Let us most academically analyze the respective Verse so that the black scar of Polygamy in Islam can be washed away from its face. Presented hereunder is Verse 4:3:-

4:3 :
وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تُقْسِطُوا فِي الْيَتَامَىٰ فَانكِحُوا مَا طَابَ لَكُم مِّنَ النِّسَاءِ مَثْنَىٰ وَثُلَاثَ وَرُ‌بَاعَ ۖ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تَعْدِلُوا فَوَاحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ أَدْنَىٰ أَلَّا تَعُولُوا ﴿٣﴾

Transliteration: “Wa in khiftum allaa tuqsitoo fil yatama, fa ankihu maa taaba la-kum min an-Nisaa mathnaa, wa thalatha, wa ruba’a. Fa in khiftum alla ta’diloo, fa wahdah, aou maa malakat ayimanu-kum. Zaalika adnaa alla ta’ooloo.”

Corrupted traditional translation:-

"And if you have reason to fear that you might not act equitably towards orphans, then marry from among [other] women such as are lawful to you - [even] two, or three, or four: but if you have reason to fear that you might not be able to treat them with equal fairness, then [only] one - or [from among] those whom you rightfully possess. This will make it more likely that you will not deviate from the right course."(Asad)

This is the only Verse in the entire Quran whose fake translation has served to legitimize FOUR MARRIAGES for Muslim males. As is obvious, this translation being fully inconsistent and ambiguous in its expression, stands as a gross disregard or insult of human knowledge, intellect, and wisdom. Kindly note that the Quranic topic under discussion deals exclusively with the solution of the ISSUE OF ORPHAN CHILDREN, and ordains good and just treatment for them. ORPHANS are younger, non-adult children whose father, who is their guardian and sustainer, has died. This poor segment of society (النِّسَاءِ) consists of both males and females. HOWEVER, in utter disregard of the described facts, suddenly from nowhere, many adult women, willing to marry, spring up and marriages Momineen with up to FOUR of them, simultaneously, declared eligible! Can we find some logical explanation of this ordeal? Do adult and mature women fall in the category of ORPHANS? Assuming that the MINOR ORPHAN GIRLS were taken as eligible for marriages and taken in marriages forcibly, what was done about the MINOR ORPHAN MALES?? A total deplorable silence will be noted here!!! What nonsense was the Book of Divine Wisdom subjected to, can we imagine? What kind of a blind conformist nation the Muslims appear to be, in view of the historical fact that in the past 1400 years, no one – virtually nobody, – ever raised a single finger of objection to this cheapest of frauds!!!

NOW, the most up-to-date Rational Translation:-

4:3 :
وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تُقْسِطُوا فِي الْيَتَامَىٰ فَانكِحُوا مَا طَابَ لَكُم مِّنَ النِّسَاءِ مَثْنَىٰ وَثُلَاثَ وَرُ‌بَاعَ ۖ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تَعْدِلُوا فَوَاحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ أَدْنَىٰ أَلَّا تَعُولُوا ﴿٣﴾

4:3 “And if you have reason to fear that you might not act equitably towards orphans, then SPONSOR OR TAKE UNDER YOUR GUARDIANSHIP (فَانكِحُوا) from this weaker segment of society (مِّنَ النِّسَاءِ) two, three and four of such as may deem appropriate to you; then if you think you can’t treat all of them justly, sponsor only one; OR just take care of those who are already under your subordination through an oath or working contract/agreement (مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ). This way it is more likely that you will not overburden yourselves.
The copied & pasted example of your might be from the corrupt translation of Yahood or Ahmadis. It makes Islam face even darker, which states you are allowed marry a Nabaligh child.

Please do not resort to abuse. I just gave my logical opinion that it is even horrendous in the way you have posted it. For Islam and Quran, the right way of understanding is to see how people in the past and people in the time of Sahabah had understood it.

If Shabah had more than one wife, then who are we to claim that we in this time understand Quran more than them Razialah Anhumma.
By the way - I have only one wife
 

Wake up Pak

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The copied & pasted example of your might be from the corrupt translation of Yahood or Ahmadis. It makes Islam face even darker, which states you are allowed marry a Nabaligh child.
What are you talking about? Did you even bother to read the different perspectives of the verse? Where do Yahud or Ahamadis come from?
Allowing to marry an underage girl, Where does it say it?
How do you know the translation you have read is correct?

NOW, the most up-to-date Rational Translation:-

4:3 :
وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تُقْسِطُوا فِي الْيَتَامَىٰ فَانكِحُوا مَا طَابَ لَكُم مِّنَ النِّسَاءِ مَثْنَىٰ وَثُلَاثَ وَرُ‌بَاعَ ۖ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تَعْدِلُوا فَوَاحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ أَدْنَىٰ أَلَّا تَعُولُوا ﴿٣﴾

4:3 “And if you have reason to fear that you might not act equitably towards orphans, then SPONSOR OR TAKE UNDER YOUR GUARDIANSHIP (فَانكِحُوا) from this weaker segment of society (مِّنَ النِّسَاءِ) two, three and four of such as may deem appropriate to you; then if you think you can’t treat all of them justly, sponsor only one; OR just take care of those who are already under your subordination through an oath or working contract/agreement (مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ). This way it is more likely that you will not overburden yourselves.
 

Mocha7

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
RajaRawal111
Can anyone in his right mind wed off his sister or daughter to a man who is already married?
Kis qadar کنویں کے مینڈک 🐸 ho tum, Tauba hai...

Sindh mein, Pathanon mein 2 shaadian aam hain. Tumhare khayal mein croron Sindhi, Pashtun ka dimagh he theek nahi hai?!?
 

Wake up Pak

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Kis qadar کنویں کے مینڈک 🐸 ho tum, Tauba hai...

Sindh mein, Pathanon mein 2 shaadian aam hain. Tumhare khayal mein croron Sindhi, Pashtun ka dimagh he theek nahi hai?!?
Siraf pathanon may kiyon? puray so-called Muslim world may 2,3 ya 4 shadiaan hoti hain
Waysay tumhari kitni biwayaan hain😏
 

Citizen X

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As received

“FOUR (4) MARRIAGES FOR MALES”
Now is the turn for the most crucial and world-renowned issue of FOUR MARRIAGES supposed to be allowed to Muslim males in ISLAM. Let us most academically analyze the respective Verse so that the black scar of Polygamy in Islam can be washed away from its face. Presented hereunder is Verse 4:3:-

4:3 :
وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تُقْسِطُوا فِي الْيَتَامَىٰ فَانكِحُوا مَا طَابَ لَكُم مِّنَ النِّسَاءِ مَثْنَىٰ وَثُلَاثَ وَرُ‌بَاعَ ۖ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تَعْدِلُوا فَوَاحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ أَدْنَىٰ أَلَّا تَعُولُوا ﴿٣﴾

Transliteration: “Wa in khiftum allaa tuqsitoo fil yatama, fa ankihu maa taaba la-kum min an-Nisaa mathnaa, wa thalatha, wa ruba’a. Fa in khiftum alla ta’diloo, fa wahdah, aou maa malakat ayimanu-kum. Zaalika adnaa alla ta’ooloo.”

Corrupted traditional translation:-

"And if you have reason to fear that you might not act equitably towards orphans, then marry from among [other] women such as are lawful to you - [even] two, or three, or four: but if you have reason to fear that you might not be able to treat them with equal fairness, then [only] one - or [from among] those whom you rightfully possess. This will make it more likely that you will not deviate from the right course."(Asad)

This is the only Verse in the entire Quran whose fake translation has served to legitimize FOUR MARRIAGES for Muslim males. As is obvious, this translation being fully inconsistent and ambiguous in its expression, stands as a gross disregard or insult of human knowledge, intellect, and wisdom. Kindly note that the Quranic topic under discussion deals exclusively with the solution of the ISSUE OF ORPHAN CHILDREN, and ordains good and just treatment for them. ORPHANS are younger, non-adult children whose father, who is their guardian and sustainer, has died. This poor segment of society (النِّسَاءِ) consists of both males and females. HOWEVER, in utter disregard of the described facts, suddenly from nowhere, many adult women, willing to marry, spring up and marriages Momineen with up to FOUR of them, simultaneously, declared eligible! Can we find some logical explanation of this ordeal? Do adult and mature women fall in the category of ORPHANS? Assuming that the MINOR ORPHAN GIRLS were taken as eligible for marriages and taken in marriages forcibly, what was done about the MINOR ORPHAN MALES?? A total deplorable silence will be noted here!!! What nonsense was the Book of Divine Wisdom subjected to, can we imagine? What kind of a blind conformist nation the Muslims appear to be, in view of the historical fact that in the past 1400 years, no one – virtually nobody, – ever raised a single finger of objection to this cheapest of frauds!!!

NOW, the most up-to-date Rational Translation:-

4:3 :
وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تُقْسِطُوا فِي الْيَتَامَىٰ فَانكِحُوا مَا طَابَ لَكُم مِّنَ النِّسَاءِ مَثْنَىٰ وَثُلَاثَ وَرُ‌بَاعَ ۖ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تَعْدِلُوا فَوَاحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ أَدْنَىٰ أَلَّا تَعُولُوا ﴿٣﴾

4:3 “And if you have reason to fear that you might not act equitably towards orphans, then SPONSOR OR TAKE UNDER YOUR GUARDIANSHIP (فَانكِحُوا) from this weaker segment of society (مِّنَ النِّسَاءِ) two, three and four of such as may deem appropriate to you; then if you think you can’t treat all of them justly, sponsor only one; OR just take care of those who are already under your subordination through an oath or working contract/agreement (مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ). This way it is more likely that you will not overburden yourselves.
I have a genuine question for which I do not have an answer for. Mainly because I am happily married for 15+ years now. Lets say this could be what the verse means. But then also the Quran never limits the number of wives one can have. And multiple wives of the Prophet are mentioned, not by name but in plural form. So clearly he has more than one wife, the exact number is never mentioned and neither anyone's name. So keeping this in mind as far as I know there is no mention or limit on the number of wives one can have and that the prophet had multiple wives. So marrying more than one woman should also be okay? Perhaps the earlier Muslims understood this and had many more wives than just 4.
 

Wake up Pak

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I have a genuine question for which I do not have an answer for. Mainly because I am happily married for 15+ years now. Lets say this could be what the verse means. But then also the Quran never limits the number of wives one can have. And multiple wives of the Prophet are mentioned, not by name but in plural form. So clearly he has more than one wife, the exact number is never mentioned and neither anyone's name. So keeping this in mind as far as I know there is no mention or limit on the number of wives one can have and that the prophet had multiple wives. So marrying more than one woman should also be okay? Perhaps the earlier Muslims understood this and had many more wives than just 4.

I believe the majority of the translations are not correct. In the Quran, the general translation is to cut the hand of a thief or you are allowed to beat your wife, etc. can not be understood with traditionalist translations.
Any Non-Muslim after reading the traditionalist's interpretation of the Quran, will consider Islam as an irrational, regressive, barbaric, and hostile religion.
The famous hadith about the Prophet's wives:

Narrated Anas:
The Prophet (ﷺ) used to go round (have sexual relations with) all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives.
حَدَّثَنَا مُسَدَّدٌ، حَدَّثَنَا يَزِيدُ بْنُ زُرَيْعٍ، حَدَّثَنَا سَعِيدٌ، عَنْ قَتَادَةَ، عَنْ أَنَسٍ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم كَانَ يَطُوفُ عَلَى نِسَائِهِ فِي لَيْلَةٍ وَاحِدَةٍ، وَلَهُ تِسْعُ نِسْوَةٍ‏.‏ وَقَالَ لِي خَلِيفَةُ حَدَّثَنَا يَزِيدُ بْنُ زُرَيْعٍ، حَدَّثَنَا سَعِيدٌ، عَنْ قَتَادَةَ، أَنَّ أَنَسًا، حَدَّثَهُمْ عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم‏.‏
Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 5068
In-book reference : Book 67, Hadith 6

Al Moses does make sense here.

 
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Citizen X

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I believe the majority of the translations are not correct. In the Quran, the general translation is to cut the hand of a thief or you are allowed to beat your wife, etc. can not be understood with traditionalist translations.
Any Non-Muslim after reading the traditionalist's interpretation of the Quran, will consider Islam as an irrational, regressive, barbaric, and hostile religion.
Regrettably that doesn't answer my question and is off topic. I'm not talking about the veracity of the translation of the verse in Question in this thread. But in many other places the Quran clearly refers to the Prophet's wives as more than one or even two because if you know even little Arabic, it has two type of plurals one for 2 of something and one for more than 2. So its clear he had more than 2 wives, how many more that is never mentioned. Also Quran does not restrict marriage to only one wife. Not that I am aware of.

So do you think looking at the prophets multiple wives it's entirely possible that you can marry as many women as you like since there is no upper limit mentioned in the Quran. If not then what is your reasoning for it.
 

Wake up Pak

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Regrettably that doesn't answer my question and is off topic. I'm not talking about the veracity of the translation of the verse in Question in this thread. But in many other places the Quran clearly refers to the Prophet's wives as more than one or even two because if you know even little Arabic, it has two type of plurals one for 2 of something and one for more than 2. So its clear he had more than 2 wives, how many more that is never mentioned. Also Quran does not restrict marriage to only one wife. Not that I am aware of.

So do you think looking at the prophets multiple wives it's entirely possible that you can marry as many women as you like since there is no upper limit mentioned in the Quran. If not then what is your reasoning for it.
I'm not sure what exactly you are looking for, but here is one article I came across.
I hope it clarifies your misconceptions about Nab's unlimited wives.

This research-based thesis is presented with the foregone conclusion that the Muslim masses around the globe have been duped for ages into following blindly an organized ARAB HOAX called ‘traditional Islam’ instead of the Original socio-economic-political Ideology of peace and equality that the Quran once disseminated.


Therefore, the fundamental policy question that we are confronted with in connection with our title theme (Chapter at-Tehreem 66, Verses 1-5) stands before us like this:-


Is that true and possible that some Verses of Chapter at-Tehreem from the Quran might be construed as “tempting” the august person of the holy Messenger of Islam in a sexual background by offering him more women for marriage, previously married ones as well as virgins, on behalf of God the Almighty?


OR – is that another manifest distortion of the Quran aimed at 1) maligning the Code of Ethics presented by the Quran; 2) corrupting the known attributes of a noble human character and conduct; and 3) committing libel and slander against the exemplary personality of the holy Messenger of Islam???


Let us start our probe with the corrupted, traditional translation and subsequent discussion to analyze and expose the extent of its frivolity and fraud. Here are the respective Verses:-



Verses 66:1-5


يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ لِمَ تُحَرِّ‌مُ مَا أَحَلَّ اللَّـهُ لَكَ ۖ تَبْتَغِي مَرْ‌ضَاتَ أَزْوَاجِكَ ۚ وَاللَّـهُ غَفُورٌ‌ رَّ‌حِيمٌ ﴿١﴾ قَدْ فَرَ‌ضَ اللَّـهُ لَكُمْ تَحِلَّةَ أَيْمَانِكُمْ ۚ وَاللَّـهُ مَوْلَاكُمْ ۖ وَهُوَ الْعَلِيمُ الْحَكِيمُ ﴿٢﴾ وَإِذْ أَسَرَّ‌ النَّبِيُّ إِلَىٰ بَعْضِ أَزْوَاجِهِ حَدِيثًا فَلَمَّا نَبَّأَتْ بِهِ وَأَظْهَرَ‌هُ اللَّـهُ عَلَيْهِ عَرَّ‌فَ بَعْضَهُ وَأَعْرَ‌ضَ عَن بَعْضٍ ۖ فَلَمَّا نَبَّأَهَا بِهِ قَالَتْ مَنْ أَنبَأَكَ هَـٰذَا ۖ قَالَ نَبَّأَنِيَ الْعَلِيمُ الْخَبِيرُ‌ ﴿٣﴾ إِن تَتُوبَا إِلَى اللَّـهِ فَقَدْ صَغَتْ قُلُوبُكُمَا ۖ وَإِن تَظَاهَرَ‌ا عَلَيْهِ فَإِنَّ اللَّـهَ هُوَ مَوْلَاهُ وَجِبْرِ‌يلُ وَصَالِحُ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ ۖ وَالْمَلَائِكَةُ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ ظَهِيرٌ‌ ﴿٤﴾ عَسَىٰ رَ‌بُّهُ إِن طَلَّقَكُنَّ أَن يُبْدِلَهُ أَزْوَاجًا خَيْرً‌ا مِّنكُنَّ مُسْلِمَاتٍ مُّؤْمِنَاتٍ قَانِتَاتٍ تَائِبَاتٍ عَابِدَاتٍ سَائِحَاتٍ ثَيِّبَاتٍ وَأَبْكَارً‌ا ﴿٥﴾


A Typical Traditional Translation:


“O PROPHET! Why dost thou, out of a desire to please [one or another of] thy wives, impose [on thyself] a prohibition of something that God has made lawful to thee? But God is much-forgiving, a dispenser of grace: God has already enjoined upon you [O believers] the breaking and expiation of [such of] your oaths [as may run counter to what is right and just]: for, God is your Lord Supreme, and He alone is all-knowing, truly wise. And lo! [It so happened that] the Prophet told something in confidence to one of his wives; and when she thereupon divulged it, and God made this known to him, he acquainted [others] with some of it and passed over some of it. And as soon as he let her know it, she asked, "Who has told thee this?" - [to which] he replied, "The All-Knowing, the All-Aware has told me." [Say, O Prophet:] "Would that you two turn unto God in repentance, for the hearts of both of you have swerved [from what is right]! And if you uphold each other against him [who is God's message-bearer, know that] God Himself is his Protector, and [that,] therefore, Gabriel, and all the righteous among the believers and all the [other] angels will come to his aid." [O wives of the Prophet!] Were he to divorce [any of] you, God might well give him in your stead spouses better than you - women who surrender themselves unto God, who truly believe, devoutly obey His will, turn [unto Him] in repentance [whenever they have sinned] worship [Him alone] and go on and on [seeking His goodly acceptance] - be they women previously married or virgins.”



DISCUSSION:


Kindly take notice of:

1) Inconsistent and out-of-context sentences;

2) Blaming the holy Messenger of God of Polygamy in utter disregard and violation of the divine philosophy of pair formulation (only one plus one makes a pair called ‘Zauj’);

3) Exposing in public the most private domestic affairs of the holy Messenger;

4) Threat of Divorce to holy Messenger’s “wives” who had been proclaimed as the Nation’s holy Mothers;

5) Establishing a confrontation against the wives of the Messenger where they are one party and against them, Allah, the Archangel Gabriel, and all other Faithful form the other party of adversaries;

6) And in the end, the holy Prophet is offered new wives, previously married as well as virgins!!!

May God forgive us all!



The Readers would kindly agree that this translation is EITHER A TREACHERY OR A JOKE. The above text can’t be a part of the Quran, or a part of the basic tenets of divine Discipline being disseminated to humanity! It is full of nonsense and can’t be presented to a community of intellectuals for analysis and research! Rather, its text demands to be kept hidden from public viewing, so that the Muslim God and His holy Messenger may not be made an all time laughing stock for exhibiting such “Noble characteristics”!



Was the holy Messenger really a Polygamist? And was he virtually offered by God more new wives? Is the Islamic Discipline really founded upon the philosophy of sexual indulgence?



In reply to the above questions, presented hereunder is the latest effort to unravel the truth of the Quran. It not only answers the questions in a most satisfactory manner, it can also be judged on any criterion of knowledge, intellect and divine guidance.



The most up to date, Rational Translation of Verses 66:1-5:-


يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ لِمَ تُحَرِّ‌مُ مَا أَحَلَّ اللَّـهُ لَكَ ۖ تَبْتَغِي مَرْ‌ضَاتَ أَزْوَاجِكَ ۚ وَاللَّـهُ غَفُورٌ‌ رَّ‌حِيمٌ ﴿١﴾ قَدْ فَرَ‌ضَ اللَّـهُ لَكُمْ تَحِلَّةَ أَيْمَانِكُمْ ۚ وَاللَّـهُ مَوْلَاكُمْ ۖ وَهُوَ الْعَلِيمُ الْحَكِيمُ ﴿٢﴾


66:1-2 “O Messenger! Why do you refrain from taking those steps which Allah have made permissible for you only because you want to satisfy the expectations of your comrades. Although Allah is the dispenser of protection and mercy, but Allah has also made mandatory upon you to fulfill your oaths and commitments. And Allah is the one Who is your Master and He is all knowing and wise.”


وَإِذْ أَسَرَّ‌ النَّبِيُّ إِلَىٰ بَعْضِ أَزْوَاجِهِ حَدِيثًا فَلَمَّا نَبَّأَتْ بِهِ وَأَظْهَرَ‌هُ اللَّـهُ عَلَيْهِ عَرَّ‌فَ بَعْضَهُ وَأَعْرَ‌ضَ عَن بَعْضٍ ۖ فَلَمَّا نَبَّأَهَا بِهِ قَالَتْ مَنْ أَنبَأَكَ هَـٰذَا ۖ قَالَ نَبَّأَنِيَ الْعَلِيمُ الْخَبِيرُ‌ ﴿٣﴾


66:3 “And when the Messenger had taken into confidence one of his team of comrades in respect of a secret affair, and that team had exposed that secret, then Allah informed the Messenger of this act of theirs. So the Messenger reprimanded that team a little bit about some of it and ignored the rest. When he told them about their opening of that secret, that team counter-questioned the Messenger as to who told him about it! So the Messenger answered: “I was informed about it by the One Who is All Knowing and All Aware;


إِن تَتُوبَا إِلَى اللَّـهِ فَقَدْ صَغَتْ قُلُوبُكُمَا ۖ وَإِن تَظَاهَرَ‌ا عَلَيْهِ فَإِنَّ اللَّـهَ هُوَ مَوْلَاهُ وَجِبْرِ‌يلُ وَصَالِحُ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ ۖ وَالْمَلَائِكَةُ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ ظَهِيرٌ‌ ﴿٤﴾


66:4 And if you were to turn unto God in repentence, it will prove that your hearts are inclined towards goodness; but if your try to prevail upon him then be it known that Allah is his Master and Guardian, and similarly Quran and the righteous people of peace and faith and also some entities with special powers are also his helpers and supporters.


"اور کہا کہ اگر تم دونوں پارٹیاں اس خطا پر اللہ سے توبہ کر لیتے ہو تو اس سے ثابت ہوجائیگا کہ تمہارے دل بہتری کی جانب جھکاو رکھتے ہیں ۔ لیکن اگر تم نے اس ضمن میں نبی کی منشاء پر غالب آنے کی کوشش کی توجان لو کہ درحقیقت وہ اللہ کی ذات پاک ہے جو نبی کا آقا و مددگار ہے اور اسی طرح قرآن اور صالح مومنین بھی اور یہی نہیں بلکہ مخصوص مقتدر قوتیں بھی اس کی حمایتی اور مددگار ہیں۔"
عَسَىٰ رَ‌بُّهُ إِن طَلَّقَكُنَّ أَن يُبْدِلَهُ أَزْوَاجًا خَيْرً‌ا مِّنكُنَّ مُسْلِمَاتٍ مُّؤْمِنَاتٍ قَانِتَاتٍ تَائِبَاتٍ عَابِدَاتٍ سَائِحَاتٍ ثَيِّبَاتٍ وَأَبْكَارً‌ا ﴿٥﴾


66:5 If he sets your group/team free from his company or fires you, God might give him in your stead comrade groups better than you who submit to the Discipline (مُسْلِمَاتٍ), enforcers of faith and peace (مؤْمِنَاتٍ), have the spirit of obedience (قَانِتَاتٍ), repentant (تَائِبَاتٍ), good devotees (عَابِدَاتٍ), abstain from evil (سَائِحَاتٍ), hold good character (ثَيِّبَاتٍ), and those who take precedence in the performance of their duties (وَأَبْكَارً‌ا).”



Allah swt is witness to the fact that another libel committed against His Holy Word has been effectively rebutted today through a purely academic research by this humble servant of His.



Some important words defined from authentic Arabic lexicons:


Siin-Ra-Ra س ر ر: اسر = glad/delight/happiness/joy/rejoice. sarra - to speak secretly, divulge a secret, manifest a secret. secret, heart, conscience, marriage, origin, choice part, mystery, in private, to conceal/reveal/manifest. sarir - couch/throne.


Sad-Gh-Ya ص غ ت : = to incline, lean, bend, bow, pay attention, give ear, hearken, listen.


Za-ha-Ra ظ ہ ر = to appear, become distinct/clear/open/manifest, come out, ascend/mount, get the better of, know, distinguish, be obvious, go forth, enter the noon, neglect, have the upper hand over, wound on the back.
zahara - to help/back/support in the sense of collaboration.
zihar - was a practice of the pre-Islamic days of the Arabs by which the wife was kept in suspense, sometimes for the whole of her life having neither the position of a wife nor that of a divorced woman free to marry elsewhere. The word zihar is derived from zahr meaning back.


سائحات : Siin-Ya-Ha = to flow over the ground (water), run backward and forwards, turn, move. siyahat - travel/journey/tour. saihun - devotee, wandering, one who fasts, one who holds himself back from doing or saying or thinking evil.


Ba-Kaf-Ra =ب ک ر ؛ ابکارات: Beginning of the day, the first part of the day, early morning, between daybreak and sunrise
Possessing the quality of applying oneself early or in hastening
Performing something at the commencement of it, or doing something early
Before it's time, preceding or took precedence.
 
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I'm not sure what exactly you are looking for, but here is one article I came across.
I hope it clarifies your misconceptions about Nab's unlimited wives.

This research-based thesis is presented with the foregone conclusion that the Muslim masses around the globe have been duped for ages into following blindly an organized ARAB HOAX called ‘traditional Islam’ instead of the Original socio-economic-political Ideology of peace and equality that the Quran once disseminated.


Therefore, the fundamental policy question that we are confronted with in connection with our title theme (Chapter at-Tehreem 66, Verses 1-5) stands before us like this:-


Is that true and possible that some Verses of Chapter at-Tehreem from the Quran might be construed as “tempting” the august person of the holy Messenger of Islam in a sexual background by offering him more women for marriage, previously married ones as well as virgins, on behalf of God the Almighty?


OR – is that another manifest distortion of the Quran aimed at 1) maligning the Code of Ethics presented by the Quran; 2) corrupting the known attributes of a noble human character and conduct; and 3) committing libel and slander against the exemplary personality of the holy Messenger of Islam???


Let us start our probe with the corrupted, traditional translation and subsequent discussion to analyze and expose the extent of its frivolity and fraud. Here are the respective Verses:-



Verses 66:1-5


يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ لِمَ تُحَرِّ‌مُ مَا أَحَلَّ اللَّـهُ لَكَ ۖ تَبْتَغِي مَرْ‌ضَاتَ أَزْوَاجِكَ ۚ وَاللَّـهُ غَفُورٌ‌ رَّ‌حِيمٌ ﴿١﴾ قَدْ فَرَ‌ضَ اللَّـهُ لَكُمْ تَحِلَّةَ أَيْمَانِكُمْ ۚ وَاللَّـهُ مَوْلَاكُمْ ۖ وَهُوَ الْعَلِيمُ الْحَكِيمُ ﴿٢﴾ وَإِذْ أَسَرَّ‌ النَّبِيُّ إِلَىٰ بَعْضِ أَزْوَاجِهِ حَدِيثًا فَلَمَّا نَبَّأَتْ بِهِ وَأَظْهَرَ‌هُ اللَّـهُ عَلَيْهِ عَرَّ‌فَ بَعْضَهُ وَأَعْرَ‌ضَ عَن بَعْضٍ ۖ فَلَمَّا نَبَّأَهَا بِهِ قَالَتْ مَنْ أَنبَأَكَ هَـٰذَا ۖ قَالَ نَبَّأَنِيَ الْعَلِيمُ الْخَبِيرُ‌ ﴿٣﴾ إِن تَتُوبَا إِلَى اللَّـهِ فَقَدْ صَغَتْ قُلُوبُكُمَا ۖ وَإِن تَظَاهَرَ‌ا عَلَيْهِ فَإِنَّ اللَّـهَ هُوَ مَوْلَاهُ وَجِبْرِ‌يلُ وَصَالِحُ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ ۖ وَالْمَلَائِكَةُ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ ظَهِيرٌ‌ ﴿٤﴾ عَسَىٰ رَ‌بُّهُ إِن طَلَّقَكُنَّ أَن يُبْدِلَهُ أَزْوَاجًا خَيْرً‌ا مِّنكُنَّ مُسْلِمَاتٍ مُّؤْمِنَاتٍ قَانِتَاتٍ تَائِبَاتٍ عَابِدَاتٍ سَائِحَاتٍ ثَيِّبَاتٍ وَأَبْكَارً‌ا ﴿٥﴾


A Typical Traditional Translation:


“O PROPHET! Why dost thou, out of a desire to please [one or another of] thy wives, impose [on thyself] a prohibition of something that God has made lawful to thee? But God is much-forgiving, a dispenser of grace: God has already enjoined upon you [O believers] the breaking and expiation of [such of] your oaths [as may run counter to what is right and just]: for, God is your Lord Supreme, and He alone is all-knowing, truly wise. And lo! [It so happened that] the Prophet told something in confidence to one of his wives; and when she thereupon divulged it, and God made this known to him, he acquainted [others] with some of it and passed over some of it. And as soon as he let her know it, she asked, "Who has told thee this?" - [to which] he replied, "The All-Knowing, the All-Aware has told me." [Say, O Prophet:] "Would that you two turn unto God in repentance, for the hearts of both of you have swerved [from what is right]! And if you uphold each other against him [who is God's message-bearer, know that] God Himself is his Protector, and [that,] therefore, Gabriel, and all the righteous among the believers and all the [other] angels will come to his aid." [O wives of the Prophet!] Were he to divorce [any of] you, God might well give him in your stead spouses better than you - women who surrender themselves unto God, who truly believe, devoutly obey His will, turn [unto Him] in repentance [whenever they have sinned] worship [Him alone] and go on and on [seeking His goodly acceptance] - be they women previously married or virgins.”



DISCUSSION:


Kindly take notice of:

1) Inconsistent and out-of-context sentences;

2) Blaming the holy Messenger of God of Polygamy in utter disregard and violation of the divine philosophy of pair formulation (only one plus one makes a pair called ‘Zauj’);

3) Exposing in public the most private domestic affairs of the holy Messenger;

4) Threat of Divorce to holy Messenger’s “wives” who had been proclaimed as the Nation’s holy Mothers;

5) Establishing a confrontation against the wives of the Messenger where they are one party and against them, Allah, the Archangel Gabriel, and all other Faithful form the other party of adversaries;

6) And in the end, the holy Prophet is offered new wives, previously married as well as virgins!!!

May God forgive us all!



The Readers would kindly agree that this translation is EITHER A TREACHERY OR A JOKE. The above text can’t be a part of the Quran, or a part of the basic tenets of divine Discipline being disseminated to humanity! It is full of nonsense and can’t be presented to a community of intellectuals for analysis and research! Rather, its text demands to be kept hidden from public viewing, so that the Muslim God and His holy Messenger may not be made an all time laughing stock for exhibiting such “Noble characteristics”!



Was the holy Messenger really a Polygamist? And was he virtually offered by God more new wives? Is the Islamic Discipline really founded upon the philosophy of sexual indulgence?



In reply to the above questions, presented hereunder is the latest effort to unravel the truth of the Quran. It not only answers the questions in a most satisfactory manner, it can also be judged on any criterion of knowledge, intellect and divine guidance.



The most up to date, Rational Translation of Verses 66:1-5:-


يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ لِمَ تُحَرِّ‌مُ مَا أَحَلَّ اللَّـهُ لَكَ ۖ تَبْتَغِي مَرْ‌ضَاتَ أَزْوَاجِكَ ۚ وَاللَّـهُ غَفُورٌ‌ رَّ‌حِيمٌ ﴿١﴾ قَدْ فَرَ‌ضَ اللَّـهُ لَكُمْ تَحِلَّةَ أَيْمَانِكُمْ ۚ وَاللَّـهُ مَوْلَاكُمْ ۖ وَهُوَ الْعَلِيمُ الْحَكِيمُ ﴿٢﴾


66:1-2 “O Messenger! Why do you refrain from taking those steps which Allah have made permissible for you only because you want to satisfy the expectations of your comrades. Although Allah is the dispenser of protection and mercy, but Allah has also made mandatory upon you to fulfill your oaths and commitments. And Allah is the one Who is your Master and He is all knowing and wise.”


وَإِذْ أَسَرَّ‌ النَّبِيُّ إِلَىٰ بَعْضِ أَزْوَاجِهِ حَدِيثًا فَلَمَّا نَبَّأَتْ بِهِ وَأَظْهَرَ‌هُ اللَّـهُ عَلَيْهِ عَرَّ‌فَ بَعْضَهُ وَأَعْرَ‌ضَ عَن بَعْضٍ ۖ فَلَمَّا نَبَّأَهَا بِهِ قَالَتْ مَنْ أَنبَأَكَ هَـٰذَا ۖ قَالَ نَبَّأَنِيَ الْعَلِيمُ الْخَبِيرُ‌ ﴿٣﴾


66:3 “And when the Messenger had taken into confidence one of his team of comrades in respect of a secret affair, and that team had exposed that secret, then Allah informed the Messenger of this act of theirs. So the Messenger reprimanded that team a little bit about some of it and ignored the rest. When he told them about their opening of that secret, that team counter-questioned the Messenger as to who told him about it! So the Messenger answered: “I was informed about it by the One Who is All Knowing and All Aware;


إِن تَتُوبَا إِلَى اللَّـهِ فَقَدْ صَغَتْ قُلُوبُكُمَا ۖ وَإِن تَظَاهَرَ‌ا عَلَيْهِ فَإِنَّ اللَّـهَ هُوَ مَوْلَاهُ وَجِبْرِ‌يلُ وَصَالِحُ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ ۖ وَالْمَلَائِكَةُ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ ظَهِيرٌ‌ ﴿٤﴾


66:4 And if you were to turn unto God in repentence, it will prove that your hearts are inclined towards goodness; but if your try to prevail upon him then be it known that Allah is his Master and Guardian, and similarly Quran and the righteous people of peace and faith and also some entities with special powers are also his helpers and supporters.


"اور کہا کہ اگر تم دونوں پارٹیاں اس خطا پر اللہ سے توبہ کر لیتے ہو تو اس سے ثابت ہوجائیگا کہ تمہارے دل بہتری کی جانب جھکاو رکھتے ہیں ۔ لیکن اگر تم نے اس ضمن میں نبی کی منشاء پر غالب آنے کی کوشش کی توجان لو کہ درحقیقت وہ اللہ کی ذات پاک ہے جو نبی کا آقا و مددگار ہے اور اسی طرح قرآن اور صالح مومنین بھی اور یہی نہیں بلکہ مخصوص مقتدر قوتیں بھی اس کی حمایتی اور مددگار ہیں۔"
عَسَىٰ رَ‌بُّهُ إِن طَلَّقَكُنَّ أَن يُبْدِلَهُ أَزْوَاجًا خَيْرً‌ا مِّنكُنَّ مُسْلِمَاتٍ مُّؤْمِنَاتٍ قَانِتَاتٍ تَائِبَاتٍ عَابِدَاتٍ سَائِحَاتٍ ثَيِّبَاتٍ وَأَبْكَارً‌ا ﴿٥﴾


66:5 If he sets your group/team free from his company or fires you, God might give him in your stead comrade groups better than you who submit to the Discipline (مُسْلِمَاتٍ), enforcers of faith and peace (مؤْمِنَاتٍ), have the spirit of obedience (قَانِتَاتٍ), repentant (تَائِبَاتٍ), good devotees (عَابِدَاتٍ), abstain from evil (سَائِحَاتٍ), hold good character (ثَيِّبَاتٍ), and those who take precedence in the performance of their duties (وَأَبْكَارً‌ا).”



Allah swt is witness to the fact that another libel committed against His Holy Word has been effectively rebutted today through a purely academic research by this humble servant of His.



Some important words defined from authentic Arabic lexicons:


Siin-Ra-Ra س ر ر: اسر = glad/delight/happiness/joy/rejoice. sarra - to speak secretly, divulge a secret, manifest a secret. secret, heart, conscience, marriage, origin, choice part, mystery, in private, to conceal/reveal/manifest. sarir - couch/throne.


Sad-Gh-Ya ص غ ت : = to incline, lean, bend, bow, pay attention, give ear, hearken, listen.


Za-ha-Ra ظ ہ ر = to appear, become distinct/clear/open/manifest, come out, ascend/mount, get the better of, know, distinguish, be obvious, go forth, enter the noon, neglect, have the upper hand over, wound on the back.
zahara - to help/back/support in the sense of collaboration.
zihar - was a practice of the pre-Islamic days of the Arabs by which the wife was kept in suspense, sometimes for the whole of her life having neither the position of a wife nor that of a divorced woman free to marry elsewhere. The word zihar is derived from zahr meaning back.


سائحات : Siin-Ya-Ha = to flow over the ground (water), run backward and forwards, turn, move. siyahat - travel/journey/tour. saihun - devotee, wandering, one who fasts, one who holds himself back from doing or saying or thinking evil.


Ba-Kaf-Ra =ب ک ر ؛ ابکارات: Beginning of the day, the first part of the day, early morning, between daybreak and sunrise
Possessing the quality of applying oneself early or in hastening
Performing something at the commencement of it, or doing something early
Before it's time, preceding or took precedence.

This seems more like a Ghulam Parvez or Al Moses PHD type of translation. I have no idea how he translated أَزْوَاجِكَ as steps to be taken !?!?!? And then in very verse after than translate the same word as comrade, I mean what in the heck !?!?!?!?!?!?!? 😲

Anyways what I was saying is there are multiple places where clearly wives as in more than two have been mentioned. For example 33.50. So clearly he had more then one wife, so if he had more than one wife, this should also be applicable to the rest as well.

Honestly for whatever reason I don't see this as a real big issue. Like I mentioned in the beginning, I am perfectly happy with one and wouldn't even dream of more So really haven't looked into this subject with great detail, like why study algebra when its not going to be part of the test!

Anyways my POV is multiple wives is engrained in almost every culture and region right down to this day. But doesn't mean its for every one or everyone has to agree with it, accept it or condone it. In fact I think from what little information I have, Islam doesn't restrict the number of wives to 1 or even 4. Unless there is a verse or passage I am not aware of saying this exemption was only for the prophet. Allah gives a long list of women who you cannot marry in 4:23 I'm sure if Allah would have also mentioned somewhere to marry only one at a time if multiple marriages were/are not allowed or haram.

Like the Quran says don't make haram what is halal and halal what is haram.

Anyways I don't have a solid stance on this issue until further research (if ever) but as of now I'm in the multiple wives camp.
 

Wake up Pak

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I have no idea how he translated أَزْوَاجِكَ as steps to be taken !?!?!? And then in very verse after than translate the same word as comrade, I mean what in the heck !?!?!?!?!?!?!? 😲
I'm a bit confused, where did he translate the word Azwajika as steps to be taken?
The Quran does not give men the blanket right to have more than one wife.
Even in verse 4:3, if I take the traditionalist translation, at the end of the verse, Allah does emphasize that you won't be able to do justice and keep one.

9:17 And you will never be able to do justice between (your) wives, (Literally: women) even if you are (so) eager; yet do not incline away completely (Literally: incline away all inclining) (from one), so that you leave her (behind) as if she were suspended. And in case you (do) righteousness and are pious (to Allah), then surely Allah has been Ever-Forgiving, Ever-Merciful
 

Citizen X

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I'm a bit confused, where did he translate the word Azwajika as steps to be taken?
Ok that was my bad and I misread it. My mistake. Apologies. But I've never heard or read in any context or dictionary Azwaj as comrades. One can usually deduct the meaning of a word in the Quran by seeing its usage in other passages. Do you have references to any other passages where one can deduce azwaj to mean comrades and not wives.
The Quran does not give men the blanket right to have more than one wife.
Even in verse 4:3, if I take the traditionalist translation, at the end of the verse, Allah does emphasize that you won't be able to do justice and keep one.

9:17 And you will never be able to do justice between (your) wives, (Literally: women) even if you are (so) eager; yet do not incline away completely (Literally: incline away all inclining) (from one), so that you leave her (behind) as if she were suspended. And in case you (do) righteousness and are pious (to Allah), then surely Allah has been Ever-Forgiving, Ever-Merciful

Yes this I can agree with you here that the treatment should be fair and equal. As equal treatment and fairness is a key tenet of the deen. But it does not strictly limit the number of wives. If you are rich fella, you can very well provide equally for more than one wife. But Allah us in this telling us no matter how much we wish we cannot totally be 100% just in their treatment so not to leave them for this reason.

P.S: The Verse number you quoted is wrong. Its not 9:17 but rather 4:129.

This is 9:17 - It is not for the polytheists to visit the mosques of GOD , witnessing against themselves with disbelief . Those are the ones whose deeds have become worthless , and they will be in the Fire eternally.

See unlike mushriks I actually double check all references 🙃
 

Wake up Pak

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If I ask anyone on this forum or in society whether they would allow their sisters or daughters to marry a man who is already married, 100% of them will reply negatively.
 
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