73 Sects In Islam and truth about Qadianiat

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I wonder sometimes why Qadiani always make lame excuses to prove themselves among 73 sects while they don't even fall into that category.




Now listen to all false claims made by Mirza at various times:




Mirzas deception in his books: (Step By Step 12 false claims)












You must have heard of Mirzas Challenge of Manazra to Pir Maher Ali Shah Rahamtulla Tala Aleih where he never dared to even turn up at Minto Park, Lahore (Which is called Iqbal Park Now)

Listen to that entire incident as described by Pir Naseer ud Din Naseer Rahamatlla Tala Aleih:







Pir Naseer ud Din Rahmatulla Tala Aleih challenging to Mirza Tahir:


Allah Ham Sab Ko Iss Fitnah Say Bachay

Ameen Bi Jah e Nabi Al Ameen
 

Pakistani1947

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Qadianis have already been declared non-Muslim. What is the purpose of this unnecessary videos?
 
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Knowledge Seeker

Senator (1k+ posts)
Qadianis have already been declared non-Muslim. What is the purpose of this unnecessary videos?

There are many other threads about awareness of Fitna-e-Qadianiat and there will always be need to educate people about this fitna time to time. The way Qadiani group is doing propa****a of being Muslim requires well spread message everywhere by all Schools of thought.

Is it propagating the the so-called scholar under the cover of Qadianis?

Try to understand the sensitivity of this thread, keep your sectarian hatred aside and leave differences for some other thread.
 

I wonder sometimes why Qadiani always make lame excuses to prove themselves among 73 sects while they don't even fall into that category.
Assalam o Alaikum first of all who ever you are your objective seem to be to spread hatread without doing a thourgh research . the hadith about 73 sect is not explained corectly ,2nd we dont call any 1 qafir ,on khatme nabuwat a lot of rubish has been said by this mullah he said we dont like to debate about it i can tell you we are always ready ,last on the topic of step by step claim this mullah has elaborated the whole issu again talking a lot of rubish and misguiding people . i am ready to have a debate and to open your eyes to this real conspiracy named mullah .
 
Assalam o Alaikum first of all who ever you are your objective seem to be to spread hatread without doing a thourgh research . the hadith about 73 sect is not explained corectly ,2nd we dont call any 1 qafir ,on khatme nabuwat a lot of rubish has been said by this mullah he said we dont like to debate about it i can tell you we are always ready ,last on the topic of step by step claim this mullah has elaborated the whole issu again talking a lot of rubish and misguiding people . i am ready to have a debate and to open your eyes to this real conspiracy named mullah .
 

biomat

Minister (2k+ posts)
Assalam-o-alaikum
Brother Pakistan1947, i agree to brother knowledge seeker, we can agree or disagree with any scholar or aalim. But point is that after the approval of Qadiyanis Khalifa, soon there will be tons of attack on all public forums from them.. To aware our brothers & sisters of this fitna, we should be united & donot promote any sect related debate. We can have differences amongst us, but on this issue we should support each other & be united. I respect your efforts on other issues, so dont take me wrong.
I hope you will understand.
Jaza-k-ALLAH..
 

simple_and_peacefull

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Assalam-o-alaikum
Brother Pakistan1947, i agree to brother knowledge seeker, we can agree or disagree with any scholar or aalim. But point is that after the approval of Qadiyanis Khalifa, soon there will be tons of attack on all public forums from them.. To aware our brothers & sisters of this fitna, we should be united & donot promote any sect related debate. We can have differences amongst us, but on this issue we should support each other & be united. I respect your efforts on other issues, so dont take me wrong.
I hope you will understand.
Jaza-k-ALLAH..
Yes brother bio

You are right as brother knowldge. We should educate everyone whom we know. Some pals don't believe due to hate mullahs. We should educate our own families. As these a normal person cant find difference.
 

QaiserMirza

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I wonder how the Admin. allows to discuss the Qadiyaniat, while last week I posted a thread about Qadiyaniat and it was deleted then again my post regarding Shiaiat was also deleted.

How come now there is discussion about Qadiyaniat and still the post is there ???

Admin. is this fair ???????
 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
Can any one, please paste the arabic text as well as English translation of that "Haidth/Haidths" in which
prophecy of 73 sects was made. The online link will be appreciated.

-- Can anyone, please also give a quranic reference of any verse, where futuristic forecast about 73 sects or
any with indirect reference, has been given, the online link will be appreciated;

--- This will also, in one way or the other leads to:
a) Did Prophet (pbuh) knew "The unseen"
b) Did Prophet (pbuh) know "the unseen" to the extent which Allah told him.
c) Which Allah told him, it was only documented in Quran or in any other Book;
Further questions will creep once the illustrated interlocutors get to the above.
 

patriot

Minister (2k+ posts)
Brother babadeena here is the "hadith":

"My Ummah will be fragmented into seventy-three (73) sects. All of them will be in Hell Fire except one sect. They (the Companions) said: Allah's Messenger, which is that? Whereupon he said: It is one to which I and my companions belong". [Tirmidhi. 171] http://www.73sects.com/

193, AND NOT 73 SECTS
An invented saying ascribed to the Prophet (S) tells us that the Ummah would be divided into 73 sects and only one of them will go to Paradise. Which one?
- The one that follows him and his noble companions.

The latest count of the known "Muslim" sects puts the number at 193 (Fouad Pasha of Turkey).

Could the exalted Prophet exactly predict the number and would he promote sectarianism in Islam? "Muslim histories" describe the Sahaba Kiraam and Imams at war with one another. The hero of one sect is the villain of another. Sectarianism is invariably based on personalities. The only hope for unity among Muslims is to grasp the Unbreakable Rope of Allah, Al-Qur’an.

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And now about ahmedis:

Already at the beginning of the Quran Allah in Sura baqara verse 4, says that
no more Nabbi or Rasool is coming.
Describing Muttaqeen Allah swt says:


2:4 And those who choose to believe in what has been revealed to you
(O Messenger!) and in the (truth in) what was revealed before your
times. And they have conviction in the Law of Requital, and, therefore, in
the life Hereafter.

No after your times.Period.

Why all these speeches don't they read book of Allah SWT??
 
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patriot

Minister (2k+ posts)
Qur'an talks about the unity of mankind and disowns those who break this unity.
مِن الَّذِين فَرَّقُواَ
دِينَهُمْ وَكَانُوا شِيَعًا كُلُّ حِزْبٍ بِمَا لَدَيْهِمْ فَرِحُونَ

30:32 Those who split up their religion becoming sects, each sect delighting in whatever beliefs they have. [3:104, 6:160, 23:53, 42:13. Sectarianism is invariably based on taking humans as authorities]

Sectarianism is a result of taking human as authorities and therefore those who indulge in sectarianism are not Muslims .
إِنَّ الَّذِينَ فَرَّقُواْ دِينَهُمْ وَكَانُواْ شِيَعًا لَّسْتَ
مِنْهُمْ فِي شَيْءٍ إِنَّمَا أَمْرُهُمْ إِلَى اللّهِ ثُمَّ يُنَبِّئُهُم بِمَا كَانُواْ يَفْعَلُونَ

6:159 (There is only one straight path.) O Messenger! Those who break the unity of their Deen and become sects, you have nothing to do with them whatsoever. Their case will go to God and He will then tell them what they had been doing.

Only Al-Quran has the power to unite humanity because this book says كَانَ النَّاسُ أُمَّةًوَاحِدَة and present a workable plan to achieve this objective
مَاكَانَ ِبَشَرٍ َ
ن يُؤْتِيَهُ اللّهُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحُكْمَ وَالنُّبُوَّةَ ثُمَّ يَقُولَ لِلنَّاسِ كُونُواْ عِبَادًا لِّي مِن دُونِ اللّهِ و
كُونُواْ رَبَّانِيِّينَ بِمَا كُنتُمْ تُعَلِّمُونَ الْكِتَابَ وَبِمَا كُنتُمْ تَدْرُسُونَ

3:79 Never would a human being, whom God has blessed with the scripture, wisdom and Prophethood, thereafter say to people, Be servants of me instead of God. Rather, he would say, Become true devotees of the Lord since you learn and teach the Book and study it as it should be studied.

Al-Quran clearly asks كُونُواْ رَبَّانِيِّينَ . In other words Quran presents a God Centered Deen . Following verse of Quran further strengthen this concept and demolishes the biggest hurdle i.e. personality worship(basis of sectarianism ) which could contaminate this concept.

وَمَا مُحَمَّدٌ إِلاَّ رَسُولٌ قَدْ خَلَتْ مِن قَبْلِهِ الرُّسُلُ أَفَإِن مَّاتَ أَوْ قُتِلَ انْقَلَبْتُمْ عَلَى أَعْقَابِكُمْ وَمَن يَنقَلِبْ عَلَى عَقِبَيْهِ فَلَن يَضُرَّ اللّهَ شَيْئًا وَسَيَجْزِي اللّهُ الشَّاكِرِينَ
3:144 Muhammad is only a Messenger. The Messengers before him have passed on. So, if he died or were slain, would you turn about on your heels? But anyone who turns about his heels, would not, in the least, harm God. And God will soon reward those who remain appreciative (for the guidance).

Quran creates a broad based society on the principle of صِبْغَةَ اللّهِ

صِبْغَةَ اللّهِ وَمَنْ أَحْسَنُ مِنَ اللّهِ صِبْغَةً وَنَحْنُ لَهُ عَابِدُونَ
2:138 Hue of God! And who can give a better hue (to life) than God? And it is He alone Whom we serve.
[Hue of God = We take our hue from God. Nearest to God are those who have adopted His Sibghah = Hue or Color = His attributes in the human capacity. 83:28. That means adopting the Divine Attributes in our limited human capacity such as:

kindness empathy - creativity mercy - forgiveness turning to people in love and affection (attaining) wisdom knowledge (learning) compassion clemency taking care - peacefulness remaining informed and aware sense of duty - determination justice protecting others generosity unity - self-control leniency - approachability - appreciation moral strength patience - showing light guiding - independence truthfulness maintenance of people and things keeping pledges resolve benefiting others beautiful designing providing listening observing being worthy of trust nobility of character giving sense of responsibility. Interestingly, people can make a self-assessment by this spectrum as to where they stand on the ascending ladder of Tazkiah = Self-actualization or personal development]


This message of صِبْغَةَ اللّهِ present an idea of a society where every person regardless of language, colour, caste, religion etc. strive toward all that is good.
وَلِكُلٍّ وِجْهَةٌ هُوَ مُوَلِّيهَا فَاسْتَبِقُواْ الْخَيْرَاتِ أَيْنَ مَا تَكُونُواْ يَأْتِ بِكُمُ
اللّهُ جَمِيعًا إِنَّ اللّهَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ
2:148 (Mere rituals carry no importance even though people pursue their self-appointed interests.) Each one has a goal toward which he turns. Then strive together toward all that is good. Whatever stand you take, God will bring you all together. Indeed, God is Able to do all things.

and because of this reasons Quran says


هَـذَا بَلاَغٌ لِّلنَّاسِ وَلِيُنذَرُواْ بِهِ وَلِيَعْلَمُواْ أَنَّمَا هُوَ إِلَـهٌ وَاحِدٌ وَلِيَذَّكَّرَ أُوْلُواْ الْأَلْبَابِ 14:52 This is a clear message for all mankind in order that they may be warned thereby, and that they may know that He is One God. Let those endowed with insight take this to heart.

[Danger signs have been posted on the highway of life as the caravan of humanity moves along to the Noble goal of Peace. God is the Sustainer and Cherisher of all humanity and His law is Supreme (1:1, 114:1). Men and women of understanding and discernment, and those of history, anthropology, philosophy, psychology, sociology, and those in positions of authority must pay heed to what their Lord is telling them. 9:31-33, 14:48, 18:48, 48:28, 61:9]
 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
Thanks Brother Patriot, it is always a pleasure to read your posts.
The only hope for unity among Muslims is to grasp the Unbreakable Rope of Allah, Al-Qur’an.
Absolutely. This is the only and only way, otherwise, no solution in sight.
 

Kaleem_ch

Voter (50+ posts)
To all,
You have no right to call any one a non-muslim or Kafir. I am an Ahmadi Muslim and you have no right what so ever to call me a non-muslim or Kafir. By calling another person you yourself become a kafir according to the hadith.
It never happened in the history of Islam that someone can get killed or go to Jail for offering Namaz or saying Assalamo Alaikum or any other Islamic scripts.
People just remember that you have are answerable to Allah.
Islam Zindabad, Ahmadiyyat Zindabad.
:jazak:
 

samar

Minister (2k+ posts)
To all,
You have no right to call any one a non-muslim or Kafir. I am an Ahmadi Muslim and you have no right what so ever to call me a non-muslim or Kafir. By calling another person you yourself become a kafir according to the hadith.
It never happened in the history of Islam that someone can get killed or go to Jail for offering Namaz or saying Assalamo Alaikum or any other Islamic scripts.
People just remember that you have are answerable to Allah.
Islam Zindabad, Ahmadiyyat Zindabad.
:jazak:

According to Quran and Hadyt you are Kafir why don't you read that hadyt.

there were no ahmadi muslims in history of Islam.

Muslim are those whose Prophet is Mohammad s.a.w you may call yourself what ever you like ,e.g mirzaiees ,qadianies ,ahmadies etc..........but not muslims.
 
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