Army, America and Awam

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Following article is taken from New York Times:

Time Is Short as U.S. Presses a Reluctant Pakistan
By JANE PERLEZ
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan President Obamas strategy of offering Pakistan a partnership to defeat the insurgency here calls for a virtual remaking of this nations institutions and even of the national psyche, an ambitious agenda that Pakistans politicians and people appear unprepared to take up.

Officially, Pakistans government welcomed Mr. Obamas strategy, with its hefty infusions of American money, hailing it as a positive change. But as the Obama administration tries to bring Pakistanis to its side, large parts of the public, the political class and the military have brushed off the plan, rebuffing the idea that the threat from Al Qaeda and the Taliban, which Washington calls a common enemy, is so urgent.

Some, including the army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, and the president, Asif Ali Zardari, may be coming around. But for the military, at least, India remains priority No. 1, as it has for the 61 years of Pakistans existence.

How to shift that focus in time for Pakistan to defeat a fast-expanding Islamic insurgency that threatens to devour the country is the challenge facing Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Richard C. Holbrooke, the special envoy to the region, as they arrive in Pakistan for talks early this week.

Strengthening Pakistans weak civilian institutions, updating political parties rooted in feudal loyalties and recasting a military fixated on yesterdays enemy, and stuck in the traditions of conventional warfare, are generational challenges. But Pakistan may not have the luxury of the long term to meet them.

Some analysts here and in Washington are already putting forward apocalyptic timetables for the country. We are running out of time to help Pakistan change its present course toward increasing economic and political instability, and even ultimate failure, said a recent report by a task force of the Atlantic Council that was led by former Senator Chuck Hagel of Nebraska and Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts. The report, released in February, gave the Pakistani government 6 to 12 months before things went from bad to dangerous.

A specialist in guerrilla warfare, David Kilcullen, who advised Gen. David H. Petraeus when General Petraeus was the American commander in Iraq, offered a more dire assessment. Pakistan could be facing internal collapse within six months, he said.

General Petraeus, in Congressional testimony last week, called the insurgency one that could take down the country, which is home to Qaeda militants and has nuclear arms.

Even before the insurgency has been fully engaged, however, many Pakistanis have concluded that reaching an accommodation with the militants is preferable to fighting them. Some, including mid-ranking soldiers, choose to see the militants not as the enemy, but as fellow Muslims who are deserving of greater sympathy than are the American aims.

It is problematic whether the backing of Mr. Zardari, and the Obamas administrations promise of $1.5 billion in aid for each of the next five years, can change the mood in the country, said a former interior minister, Aftab Ahmad Sherpao, who visited Washington last fall to meet with some of the people who are now officials in the Obama administration.

Fighting the insurgency is commonly seen in Pakistan as an American cause, not a Pakistani one, he said.

There are questions, too, of whether the Obama offer of nearly $3 billion in counterinsurgency aid can quickly convert the Pakistani military from a force trained to fight India on the plains of Punjab into an outfit that can conquer the mountains of the tribal areas, where the militants operate.

After such a long time of being with the Americans, the country has been through such stress and strain and nothing good has come of it, Mr. Sherpao said. A cross-section of people is dead set against the Americans. Another section is not happy but not vocal. About 1 to 2 percent would say this policy of America should continue.

The distrust has been heightened by charges from American officials, including General Petraeus and Mr. Holbrooke, that Pakistans spy agency is still supporting the Islamic militants who pour over the border to fight American troops in Afghanistan.

A former director general of the agency Inter-Services Intelligence, Lt. Gen. Javed Ashraf, said the American opinions long held but now publicly stated did not augur well. A spokesman for the Pakistani military called them baseless and part of a malicious campaign.

You cant start a successful operation with a trust deficit, General Ashraf said. Pakistan is an ally. But then you say we are linked with the Taliban. The serving army people will say, To hell with them if this is what we are going to get after laying down more than 1,500 lives. That is the number of soldiers the Pakistani Army says have been killed fighting the militants in the tribal areas.

The lack of trust was evident, military analysts said, in the American refusal to consider a request from the Pakistani military that it operate the remotely piloted aircraft the C.I.A. has been using to hit the militants in the tribal areas.

Although those Predator drones have been successful in killing top Qaeda operatives, a factor acknowledged privately by Pakistani officials, the attacks continued to be criticized even as the new Pakistani-American partnership was supposed to be taking root.

Predator strikes are not a strategy not even part of a strategy, a former army chief of staff and ambassador to Washington, Gen. Jehangir Karamat, said in a front-page article in the newspaper The Nation. They are tactical actions to ratchet up body counts.

The Americans have been stingy on even the more basic tools for guerrilla warfare, like helicopter gunships and night-vision goggles, which Pakistan has requested for the past three years, Pakistani military officials say. There are still doubts that Washington will deliver such equipment speedily, they say.

Then there is India. Its growing presence in Afghanistan the building of roads; the opening since 2001 of two consulates in two cities close to Pakistan makes Pakistan believe it is being encircled, said Ishaq Khan Khakwani, a former senator from the Pakistan Muslim League-Q party.

Pakistanis complain that even though Mr. Obama, during his European trip, called for dialogue between India and Pakistan, his plans fail to address this major strategic concern.

The United States has to get India to back off in Afghanistan, said Mr. Khakwani, who is sympathetic to the American position. Then Pakistan will see Indian interference is diminished and that will give confidence to Pakistan.

The deep questioning about why the Pakistani Army should fight the Taliban reaches well down into the ranks of the soldiers and their families. Dissent on that goal has become increasingly prevalent among rank-and-file soldiers, and even in the officer corps, said Riffat Hussain, a professor of international relations at Quaid-i-Azam University here who also lectures to soldiers at the National Defense University.

There have been at least a half-dozen reported courts-martial of soldiers who refused to fight, and the real number was probably larger, Professor Hussain said.

In Jhelum, a town 100 miles south of Islamabad and a place with a proud military history, one village had shown in the boldest terms the anger about the military fighting Muslims on Pakistani soil, said Enver Baig, a former senator with the Pakistan Peoples Party, who considers himself a pro-American politician.

When the body of a soldier killed in the tribal areas was taken home to his family last year, the father refused to accept his sons coffin, Mr. Baig said.

Instead, the father took off his shoe and used it to slap the army officer who had escorted the body.

A month later, when another soldiers body was delivered to the same village, the army left the body on the village outskirts, Mr. Baig said.
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
To snazare1510:

I guess your filthy mind and hatred is very obvious from your drooling mouth when you get a chance to criticize Islam and Pakistan. Got get a life you loser, or go to call your Pundit to Put a Tilck on your ugly face. I am not surprized with the comments of people like you who have been disgrace to even their own faith.You have no religion and you have no life. Stop speading your filthy ideology. No one wants to listen to your filth.

Moderator, this has been a 2nd attempt for someone like him to spread hate propaganda.In order to save your forum's integrity,You should fulfil your responsibilty to block the hate mongers to malign other's religion and values and you shouldn't provide the platform from which they can launch their diabolic tirade.
 

abdulhaseeb23

MPA (400+ posts)
to :-snazare1510

one day we pakistani will tell you that hindustan existence is such a big mistake & hindu goverment is worse than any thing you are telling us that pakistan was established through a mistake, ya we know that in our country people are fighting, but what happening in your country more than 34 parties are working for there freedom in your country. please for god says hum pakistaniyon ko mut cherou warna tum par phir 1000 years ke liye hum muslims ko dubara hoqumaat kerni paree gi tumhare uss bharat matta per jahan tum cow ka urine peeto hoo tumhein, abb kiya tumhein dubara bataien shroo se ke insaan ki sehat ke liye pani acha hota hai urine nahi.

aur haan aik aur baat bata doon tumhare azeem mahatma gandhi ke baree mein unhein bhi urine pene ki adat thi farq itna tha ke woh apni urine khud pii liya karte they unn ko cow ki zarorat nahi parti thi
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
To snazare1510:

Launching personal attack ? What are you spreading on this forum.? Chocolate filled brownies ? Your personal hatred against Islam and stigma of 100 years of Muslim rule's in India dripping you Mad. I posted an article in which it show's how much Pakistani's are against American Policies which are being puched by using Pakistan's own army.You came out of no where to propagate your poisonous personal attacks against our Army. What you got to do with our own Army ? Have they spilled your beans ? India is waiting like a snake to bite anytime we are not watching our back.So, don't give your opinion which is not required.
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
To snazare1510:
Yes, this is a forum for the discussions not hate propaganda.It is not for the hate mongers like you. Your views are filled with hate and discredited theories of ''Atheists".I don't even think that I should be giving you an opportunity to keep your screwy views going by providing you the satisfaction of reply which you don't deserve.
 

khans141

Citizen
oeyyyyy snazare
We have your nation's real father who treat you like the way you deserve and his name is
ZAID HAMID
I am not commenting on your filthy mind but giving you an idea to stop messing with Pakistan
all of you's scared about our tiny little force called ISI and I swear if you keep messing with us our all nation will become ISI and what you gonna do
huhhhhh
Pakistan Zinda Baad
Pak Army and ISI Painda Baad
 

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