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فتنہ انکار حدیث​

انکارِ حدیث کے فتنہ نے دوسری صدی میں اس وقت جنم لیا جب غیر اسلامی افکار سے متاثر لوگوں نے اسلامی معاشرہ میں قدم رکھا اور غیر مسلموں سے مستعار بیج کو اسلامی سرزمین میں کاشت کرنے کی کوشش کی۔ اس وقت فتنہ انکار ِ حدیث کے سرغنہ کے طور پر جو دو فریق سامنے آئے وہ خوارج اور معتزلہ تھے۔ خوارج جو اپنے غالی افکار ونظریات کو اہل اسلام میں پھیلانے کا عزم کئے ہوئے تھے، حدیث ِنبوی کو اپنے راستے کا پتھر سمجھتے ہوئے اس سے فرار کی راہ تلاش کرتے تھے۔ دوسرے معتزلہ تھے جو اسلامی مسلمات کے ردّوقبول کے لئے اپنی ناقص عقل کو ایک معیار اور کسوٹی سمجھ بیٹھے تھے، لہٰذا انکارِحد رجم، انکارِ عذابِ قبر اور انکارِ سحر جیسے عقائد و نظریات اس عقل پرستی کا ہی نتیجہ ہیں جو انکارِ حدیث کا سبب بنتی ہے۔ دور ِجدید میں فتنہ انکارِ حدیث نے خوب انتشار پیدا کیا اور اسلامی حکومت ناپید ہونے کی وجہ سے جس کے دل میں حدیث ِ نبوی کے خلاف جو کچھ آیا اس نے بے خوف وخطر کھل کر اس کا اظہار کیا۔ دین کے ان نادان دوستوں نے اسلامی نظام کے ایک بازو کو کاٹ پھینکنے کے لئے ایڑی چوٹی کا زور لگایا اور لگا رہے ہیں۔یورپ کے مستشرقین کی نقالی میں برصغیر پاک وہند میں ماضی قریب میں بہت سے ایسے متجددین پیدا ہوئے جو حدیث وسنت کی تاریخیت ،حفاظت اور اس کی حجیت کو مشکوک اور مشتبہ قرار دے کر اس سے انحراف کی راہ نکالنے میں ہمہ تن گوش رہے۔ اس فتنے کی آبیاری کرنے والے بہت سے حضرات ہیں جن میں سے مولوی چراغ علی، سرسیداحمدخان، عبداللہ چکڑالوی، حشمت علی لاہوری، رفیع الدین ملتانی، احمددین امرتسری اور مسٹرغلام احمدپرویز، جاوید غامدی وغیرہ نمایاں ہیں۔ غلام احمد پرویز پاکستان میں فتنہ انکار حدیث کے سرغنہ اور سرخیل تھے

آئینہ پرویزیت معتزلہ سے طلوع اسلام تک حصہ اول | Aina Parveziyat Motazila Se Taloo e Islam Tak Part-1

انکارِ حدیث کے فتنہ نے دوسری صدی میں اس وقت جنم لیا جب غیر اسلامی افکار سے متاثر لوگوں نے اسلامی معاشرہ میں قدم رکھا اور غیر مسلموں سے مستعار بیج کو اسلامی سرزم...

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Dear milkyway sb, please state the valid criterion for reaching the truth about the quran and hadith? There is no point in quoting people and their works if they themselves had no valid indisputable criterion to judge their understandings of things by.

regards and all the best.

 

[Citizen X]

Thread ''MYTHS AND REALITIES OF HADITH -- a critical study''

Mar 29, 2016

I have spend many hours reading following article line by line and found very interesting and convincing. "In this era of cyberspace communications, global exchanges of views, and sophisticated textual analysis, the excuse of insufficient data is no longer true or acceptable. The traditional attitude that only scholars are competent to interpret dubious narrations merely evades the serious issues facing the Ummah.

Islam takes pride in being a lucid, rational and above all easy to understand faith. Consequently, attempts by the traditionalist or Ulemas to either suppress or criticize...

• Pakistani1947
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• Forum: Islamic Corner

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Seems like an interesting read and will read it in due time but this whole debate is flawed IMO because when the Quran gives out clear instructions that it is complete and has completed your deen for you and you should not follow anything outside of the Quran or make or follow laws that are not in the Quran.

Then this whole argument about rejecting or accepting the hadith is actually moot.

Its like your father tells you, you are not to go outside today no matter what happens and then your brother comes and tells you lets go out, its ok after all I am your elder brother and you have to do as I say.

 

[Citizen X]

Dear brothers and sisters,

It's important to approach matters of faith, especially in Islam, with respect, humility, and a commitment to truth. It is understandable to have questions or doubts, but the approach to resolving them should be rooted in knowledge and understanding.

When we discuss foundational aspects of our religion, like the Qur'an and Hadith, it is essential to remember that these texts are the core of our faith. Questioning them without adequate understanding and study can often lead to confusion, misguidance, and division among us. Instead of delving into deep debates without sufficient knowledge, it is more beneficial to start with the basic rules of our faith, which have been passed down through generations. These rules are simple and can guide us in our daily lives and spiritual journey.

If someone feels the need to discuss or challenge these matters, it's vital that they first acquire a deep and sound understanding of Islamic teachings. It is best to engage in such discussions in forums that are open to constructive dialogue and where scholars and experts are present to guide the conversation. This ensures that any debates or questions are handled with wisdom, respect, and proper context.

Unfortunately, we sometimes see discussions that aim to create division rather than promote understanding. These debates often focus on issues that are, in the grand scheme of things, non-essential and unnecessary. Such tactics can mislead people, especially those who may not yet have the education and knowledge to engage in such intricate discussions.

Therefore, I encourage you all to focus on strengthening your personal knowledge and connection with Islam first. Study the Qur'an, learn about the Hadith, and engage with trusted scholars who can provide you with authentic knowledge. Only when you have sufficient understanding should you enter discussions on such sensitive matters. This way, you can contribute to meaningful, informed debates rather than engaging in conversations that can harm and misguide the community.

Let's work together to avoid unnecessary conflict and focus on what truly matters: understanding and practicing our faith with sincerity, humility, and wisdom.

May Allah guide us all on the right path.

Yes agreed. As of right now I have about at least 4 years of extensive study on this subject, not an expert by any means but knowledgeable enough to have a detailed discussion or debate on the subject. Compared to 99.9% of the people who come to challenge and debate in favour of hadith. Who themselves had hardly read any hadith and have mostly just heard some from their mullahs and moulvis. They even lack the very basics such as what is hadith, who wrote or complied the hadith, when was this done. You know the very basics.

And yet head strong in this subject. When even the Quran says do not runafter/chase/argue about things of which you have no knowledge about.

 

[Citizen X]

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Citizen X

Yaara if only people had this much common sense and were able to break free of their indoctrination and brainwashing

 

[Wake up Pak]

Yaara if only people had this much common sense and were able to break free of their indoctrination and brainwashing

That is the problem, brother. I'm 100% sure that no Hadith follower has even bothered to watch the video, as it will challenge their preconceived notion of following Ahadith blindly..
Instead of engaging in constructive debate/discussion they will start labelling you as Qadiani, Pervaizi, Kaafir, Athiest etc.

 

[Citizen X]

That is the problem, brother. I'm 100% sure that no Hadith follower has even bothered to watch the video, as it will challenge their preconceived notion of following Ahadith blindly..
Instead of engaging in constructive debate/discussion they will start labelling you as Qadiani, Pervaizi, Kaafir, Athiest etc.

Yeah to hai, the level on intolerance in desi's is through the roof. Over here also every 2nd post is ban these guys delete this thread and then very next thread the same people are crying about how there is no freedom of speech in pakistan in this fascist regime. Bloody hypocrites

And you are also right about all the labeling. Just look at that doofus obozo x. Its like their brains have stopped working and they are all reading off the same script

 

[Wake up Pak]

Surah Al-Hashr (59:7):

• Arabic: وَمَا آتَاكُمُ الرَّسُولُ فَخُذُوهُ وَمَا نَهَاكُمْ عَنْهُ فَانتَهُوا ۚ وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ ۖ إِنَّ اللَّهَ شَدِيدُ الْعِقَابِ
• Translation: "And whatever the Messenger has given you - take; and what he has forbidden you - refrain from. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty."

Narrated `Abdullaah bin `Amr رضي الله عنه: The Prophet ﷺ said: “Convey (my teachings) to the people even if it were a single Aayah (Verse, sentence), and tell others the stories of Banee Israa’eel (which have been taught to you), for it is not sinful to do so. And whoever tells a lie on me intentionally, will surely take his place in the (Hell) Fire.” [Saheeh al-Bukhaaree (3461) and Sunan al-Tirmidhee (2669)]

Even though Citizen X has convincingly replied to your out of context Quranic verse you quoted to justify the Ahadith, but here is a question for people who follow Ahadith.

Let me ask a question to all the followers of Hadith: Have you read all of the hadith? Are you aware that there are numerous contradictory, outright insulting, and derogatory ahadith about Prophet Mohammad and his companions? How can anyone in their right mind accept such ahadith?
In this day and age, if I were to write a book praising Prophet Mohammad while also including insulting or derogatory content about him, how would you feel about me? Would you accept the book, or would you issue a religious edict (Fatwa) to have me killed for insulting the Prophet?

 

[Citizen X]

In this day and age, if I were to write a book praising Prophet Mohammad while also including insulting or derogatory content about him, how would you feel about me? Would you accept the book, or would you issue a religious edict (Fatwa) to have me killed for insulting the Prophet?

Someone already tried that, Salman Rushdie

 

[Wake up Pak]

Someone already tried that, Salman Rushdie

Salman Rushdie referred to certain Quranic verses as "Satanic Verses."

 

[Citizen X]

Salman Rushdie referred to certain Quranic verses as "Satanic Verses."

No not really. This whole satanic verses thing has been there since the 1800s So it wasn't something he came up with. And the novel is actually a pretty good story and has nothing to do with religion or Islam, the only thing "blasphemous" in the whole book is when one of his main characters in having a dream and the dream sequence is somewhat based around the claims of the satanic verses.

And honestly its not even half as bad as some of the things these sunni garbage books say and then label them as authentic.

 

[Wake up Pak]

No not really. This whole satanic verses thing has been there since the 1800s So it wasn't something he came up with. And the novel is actually a pretty good story and has nothing to do with religion or Islam, the only thing "blasphemous" in the whole book is when one of his main characters in having a dream and the dream sequence is somewhat based around the claims of the satanic verses.

And honestly its not even half as bad as some of the things these sunni garbage books say and then label them as authentic.

I haven't read the book, but what the Muslims were claiming that Salman Rushdie insulted the Quran and the Prophet and they proclaimed his head money in millions.

 

[Wake up Pak]

The Quran is a book of guidance for all of humanity not just for Muslims. The wrong interpretations of the verses have caused confusion among Muslims and non-Muslims alike. Many Muslims accept what they have been taught since childhood as incontrovertible truths, but in reality, they have been misguided.
The conspiracies against Islam are a result of deep reflection, to understand the widespread hostility by almost all non-Muslims against Islam including the West, the Hindus, the Jews, and everyone else. Those who claim to be the so-called Muslims are professing what is in actuality an invented religion. Perhaps they deserve the suffering and humiliation, that they are undergoing until they return to the one true God. Islam as we know it today is not at all what is envisioned in the Quran.