Gum Bits.Do Pakistani's use them !!!!

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Without comments, I am placing a story of two brother's who operate this business and not even their Mother knows about it.Obviously, Musharraf's fan, enlightning the moderation in Pakistan......

From New York Times.....

Lacy Threads and Leather Straps Bind a Business
By ADAM B. ELLICK
KARACHI, Pakistan In Pakistan, a flogger is known only as the Talibans choice whip for beating those who defy their strict codes of Islam.

But deep in the nations commercial capital, just next door to a mosque and the offices of a radical Islamic organization, in an unmarked house two Pakistani brothers have discovered a more liberal and lucrative use for the scourge: the $3 billion fetish and bondage industry in the West.

Their mom-and-pop-style garment business, AQTH, earns more than $1 million a year manufacturing 2,000 fetish and bondage products, including the Mistress Flogger, and exporting them to the United States and Europe.

The Qadeer brothers, Adnan, 34, and Rizwan, 32, have made the business into an improbable success story in a country where bars are illegal and the poor are often bound to a lifetime in poverty.

If the bondage business seems an unlikely pursuit for two button-down, slightly awkward, decidedly deadpan lower-class Pakistanis, it is. But then, discretion has been their byword. The brothers have taken extreme measures to conceal a business that in this deeply conservative Muslim country is as risky as it is risqu.

It helps that the dozens of veiled and uneducated female laborers who assemble the handmade items gag balls, lime-green corsets, thonged spanking skirts have no idea what the items are used for. Even the owners wives, and their conservative Muslim mother, have not been informed.

If our mom knew, she would disown us, said Adnan, seated on a leopard-print fabric covering his desk chair.

Due to cultural barriers and religion, people dont discuss these things openly, Rizwan said. We have to hide this information.

Even customs officials were perplexed at how to tax the items, not quite sure what they were, they said.

Recently, when a curious employee inquired about the purpose of the sleep sack, a sleeping bag-like product used in certain kinds of bondage, she was told it was a body bag for the American military in Iraq.

Adnan Ahmed, a former air traffic controller who is now AQTHs chief operating officer, said the items were undergarments. When asked if he considered a red-hot puppy mask an undergarment, he had a straightforward, but honest reply: No. Its just for joking.

Still, word of the business has at times escaped. Last year four powerful guys from a conservative Muslim group threatened to burn down the factory if it was not closed within a week. The brothers calmly explained that it was merely a business, and that the items were not used in Pakistan. The next day they bribed a local Islamic political organization to ensure their safety.

These days, the gravest danger is Pakistans crumbling economy. The brothers idolize former President Pervez Musharraf, crediting their success to his industry friendly policies, like not requiring export licenses and banning trade unions. When Mr. Musharraf resigned last year, the brothers didnt eat for three days, Adnan said.

Since President Asif Ali Zardari took office, Adnan said, trade unions have been legalized and prices of some raw materials, including leather, have shot up, as have interest rates. The result: a 15 percent dip in AQTHs profits.

Echoing the pervasive fears of entrepreneurs across the country, the brothers are considering relocating to East Asia if Pakistan becomes more unstable or if they receive another threat.

The shoddy factory seems like an ode to their humble upbringing. Adnans executive bathroom has no toilet paper. Rizwan has no office. And their preferred lunch is Kentucky Fried Chicken.

Their inspiration for success came from their father, a civil servant who supported a family of six with a $150 monthly salary. While other children were forced into labor, or played aimlessly, the Qadeer brothers had to study.

In 2001, after the brothers graduated from a university, their father lent them $800, enough to purchase their first computer and to cover several months of rent in a studio apartment. There, the brothers searched the Internet day and night for a high-value garment product that was not widely available.

They experimented with basic leather goods, like jackets and pants. Adnan slept at mosquito-infested stitching factories to oversee sample runs that, in the end, proved more costly than their Chinese competitors.

It was very hard time, Adnan said. We had nothing in our pockets, not even money to fuel our motorbike.

People used to say: You cant do business in Pakistan. Youre wasting your time. Just go get a job, Rizwan said. But our father boosted our morale.

The brothers said Pakistans stone-age production worked to their advantage. The country, they said, lacks visionary product development. Everyones still making the same products," Adnan said.

Then, they discovered a kind of straitjacket online. At first, they thought it was used for psychiatric patients, but it quickly led them to learn about the lucrative fetish industry.

Without family connections in the finance industry, and with nothing to mortgage, they were refused a loan by four banks. Our education was our only connection, Rizwan said.

They finally secured a loan from an American bank, and then the Sept. 11 attacks offered a timely chance. Orders for garment exports were canceled across Pakistan in the slower economic climate, allowing the prices of raw materials like leather to be cut in half.

But fear after Sept. 11 raised suspicions among their own Western clients. On Sept. 12, 2001, a customer sent an e-mail message with a photo of two F-16s flying over Pakistan. Orders were canceled.

Today, they sell their products to online and brick-and-mortar shops, and to individuals via eBay. Their market research, they said, showed that 70 percent of their customers were middle- to upper-class Americans, and a majority of them Democrats. The Netherlands and Germany account for the bulk of their European sales.

We really believe that if you are persistent and hard working, there is an opportunity, in any harsh environment, even in an economically depressed environment like Pakistan, Rizwan said.

A major perk, they say, is attending international fetish shows to see how their products hold up in action.

I go to Sin City every year, said Rizwan, referring to Las Vegas in a sheepish laugh. Its all business, he said. Clients know our country and culture, and they dont invite us to participate. Were a little bit shy.
 

llwaqasll

Voter (50+ posts)
if u dont mind the comments;;;;;; i wud like to say that this is a source of income for them and the result of their hardwork aswell,much better than of them being disoppointed and become beggars or get involve in criminal activities,this is better than selling alcohol or drugs which is a common and popular bussiness in pakistan and nobody even say anything against them that they r selling something which is haram and can kill people and ruin the life of their whole family!!
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I am with you that this has become a source of income for them. Of course, selling Haram or Alcohal is not allowed in Islam and those who sell them or get involved selling them are not abiding their religion. I ask you a question , do you think that business of such items is Haram or Mukrooh in Islam ? What do you think ?
 

rana1814

New Member
Well my friends.Thing we are discussing here is what do you think should it be halal or haram thats beyond our knowledge. But in my opinion it is haram becouse islam has forbidden (haram) this kind of sexual activity. So in relation to that this has to be haram. & don't just think, assume ,ask or listen to some one do your research. And about there source of income 160 million people are doing some thing for there living not every one is running after quick millions whether its halal or haram. Well it is long discussion in short Allah knows better then anyone els. May Allah give us knowledge to choose what is right & what is wrong.
 

PakPatriot1

Senator (1k+ posts)
Yes, this is absolutely Haram like any other source of illegitimate income like RISHWAT, CHORI, DAKA, MUNAFA KHORI, BHATTA KHORI, KIDNAPPING FOR RANSOM, SELLING EXPIRED MEDICINES, KICK BACKS IN GOVT. DEALS, INVOLVEMENT AND SUPPORT OF LOTA GARDI IN PARLIAMENT, QUAMI KHAZANEY MEIN KHAYANAT. BUILDING BUSINESS EMPIRES AND PALACES ALL OVER THE PAKISTAN AND THE WORLD. GETTING AMERICAN DOLLARS IN THE NAME OF AFGHAN JEHAD.YELLOW JOURNALISM. 50% NAKED WOMEN RIGHT AFTER "ALIM ON LINE" ONMEDIA, EVERYTHING IS HARAM but unfortunately they are very common practices in our society now. Please kabhi is per bhi baat karen.
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Interesting , as if none of those things which you mentioned has not been mentioned as haram yet.Don't politisize everything ,getting social assistance while residing in a foreign country is not Halal.killing people and slitting their throats, dumping their bodies by the roadside is not halal also.Not raising your voice for dron attacks is not halal either. Staying quite while one of your coutry's daughter being abused by foreign troops and spending her time in foreign jail is not halal either.It's like going to a buffet, you pick what you like and discard what you don't like.........
 

PakPatriot1

Senator (1k+ posts)
Sorry, I should realize that I was steping on someones tail.
HARAM IS HARAM, ON BUFFET IF EVERY FOOD WITH MEAT IS HARAM THEN I WILL TAKE JUST VEGETABLES AND SEA FOOD !!!!!
kESAAAAAA!!!!!
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Well watch it out, if the shortning is also Halal or not, you may be too ambitious for your appetite.
 

aBis

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
IMO this is makrooh, i mean they don't mean harm to anybody and people have the choice to buy or not to buy. Haram is something which is strictly forbidden but this thing is not mentioned and could be used in personal pleasure or sin matter but still not hurting anybody. [not quite sure myself]
 

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