Is Allah only ours?

Kavalier

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
AOA,

I am starting this thread as a reaction to many comments from my brothers and sisters during World cup semi final. Most of them wrote that as we are praying and Allah is with us, so we will win in any case. When I replied that there are equal number of Muslims in India as well and also that Allah is not only our God, but He is God of all the Universe, then my brothers got angry on me and when had no logical reply, then they asked me to start a new thread for this purpose and not to mix it with sports thread which I accepted and now I am posting this new thread.

I have many questions to ask and a lot to discuss but to keep it simple and short I want to say that this is not just keeping the prayer mats and Tasbeeh counters that wins, what wins in the end is hard work , loyalty to cause and sincerity. People make everything a fight between Muslims and non Muslims, but believe me there is hardly any other Muslim country as well who thinks like us, we are emotional fools and thats why we are n this stage today. The moderate Muslim countries are doing well and the Pakistans, Afghanistans, Saudi Arabs etc are all plunging deep in troubles and going backwards instead of developing.

This emotionalism can be a plus if proper leadership is provided but here we have the same old Moulvis and religious scholars who take us back to 1400 years and not moving with time. If our nation is so beloved to Allah and our religious leaders are so pious, then why our prayers dont come true. If India is a hindu, musrik land then why they are developing so fast? The reason is that we are basically thieves, dis honest and narrow-minded people who are divided in so many factions that I cant even count. Starting from race to sects and from language to tribes..... we a re just a crowd and not a nation.

I want to conclude here with the fact that dont involve religion and beliefs in every walk of life, first get some worth in world from hard work, honesty and sincerity and then claim to be Allah's beloved.
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Thank god u got something , very quick ...

but still these r questions.
Ask these question to Altaf Bhai in his jalsa today.

The best person to discuss with.
 

Kavalier

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Then the Pakistanis are biggest fools on planet as they were asking so much from Allah for their team to win the world cup and specially semi final...... thats what exactly my point is, if you can understand it...

Do Allah has any interest in who Won or Loose WC?
 

swing

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
@Kavalier jo app nay baat shuru ki hai har insaan k pass iss ko explain kernay k leye 5000...dimensions haina mgr hud samjnay ki koshish keray tou app ki ziada achee tasalee hooge.
shyd aksar logo ko mayree baat ki samaj na ayee Q k misaal itnee match nahe kertee nazar nahee ayee gee. magar baat ka rukh samjnay ki koshish kejeye gaa.
STAGE DRAMAY PER NARGIS B YEH KEHTEE HAI K JO MARZEE KARO ALLAH MAAF KARAY GAA SO think about it k ALLAH kis ka hai aur Q hai?
 
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itsnotme90

Minister (2k+ posts)
Few more rubbish thinsg which people said during world cup including Amir Liaquat on live transmission on ARY.
1. Humay Allah per bharosa hai k pakistan hi jeetay ga ?
ab harnay k baad bharosa uth gaya hoga kiyun k allah nay dhoka day dia aap kay bharosay ko.
2. Yeh match pakistan hi jeetay ga kiyun k allah hamaray sath hai.
Every match is like a bet one win & one loose so allah never said to start betting on his name its just a sport for fun.

We need to stop using the name of religion in everything. it should be a matter of personal practice not a matter of sports. All those people who pass these comments they are not practising muslims so they just say it without thinking & no molvi was promoting cricket & saying that only we will win .
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Then the Pakistanis are biggest fools on planet as they were asking so much from Allah for their team to win the world cup and specially semi final...... thats what exactly my point is, if you can understand it...

I will say it is result of wrong concept of religion in our minds. We believe, we are Muslim and we deserve support of Allah even in Worldly goals too, where as Allah has promised for is support only for establishing Deen and only if we are Moomin.
 
یہ سوال ایک 3 سال کا بچہ اپنی امی سے پوچھے تو بات سمجھہ میں آتی ھے۔ لیکن یہاں اس فورم پر بابے مونچھہ داڑھی والے اس طرح کے سوال کریں تو پھر پاکستان کے جو حالات جا رھے ھیں ان کی خوب عکاسی ھوتی ھے۔
امی اللہ میاں کہاں رھتے ھیں۔
امی جی اللہ میاں کس کس کے ساتھہ ھیں۔
امی جان اللہ میان سے کہیں ھمیں بہت سے پیسے دیں۔
 

malikbhai

MPA (400+ posts)
اس موضوع پر ایک پورا باب تحریر ہو سکتا ہے،لیکن علامہ اقبال کا ایک شعر ہی اس تمام بحث کو سمیٹنے کے لیئے کافی ہے،اللہ سے مدد مانگنی ہے تو اسکے لیئے ماؤں کو بدر کے اصحاب جیسے مسلمان پیدا کرنے ہونگے۔پھر جو اللہ سے مانگو گے وہ دے گا،بقول اقبال
فضائے بدر پیدا کر فرشتے تیری نصرت کو
اتر سکتے ہیں گردوں سے قطار اندر قطار اب بھی
آج ہم پیروی مغرب اور ہندوستان کی کرتے ہیں اور میچ کے وقت جھولی اللہ رب العزت کے سامنے پھیلا دیتے ہیں۔
کعبے کس منہ سے جاؤ گے ّغالب شرم تم کو مگر نہیں آتی۔
 

khawaja555

Councller (250+ posts)
is univers main sab kuch ALLAH ka he , hindu muslim masihi yahudi budh dunya ke sab insaanon ko us ne paida kia he.
ALLAH ke liye sab inssan brabar hain. ek Hadees ke mutabiq ALLAH ek maan se bi ziada insaanon se payar rakhta he.ek maan ko apne sab bachon se pyar hota he. ye kabi mumkin nahin ke ek bure bache ko maan jaan se maar de.ALLAH ko insaanon se maan se buht ziada pyar he is liye ye kahna sahi
nahin ke ALLAH sirf musalmanon ka he wo sab ka he. ALLAH sab ka he
 

Zionist Hindu

Senator (1k+ posts)
Looking at the events of last 100 years i would say Allah loves non-muslims more. My personal belief is however, God doesn't really care about religion, he doesn't care if you arepraying in arabic. God is too vast a concept to be confined in a book. I don't think mind of a man is powerful enough to define it. I think we can all feel it. I feel God is with every one of us and we are all part of him. Every religion tries to explain the concept of God for that generation andtime. There is no such thing as your god andmy god. We all feel god and define god according to our intellict and wisdom. People who fight and hurt others in the name of god and religion most be the lowest of low in this earth. If i had to define godin one word i would say it is simply LOVE.
I have been warned not to participate in religious thread. Being a hindu my concept of god is quite different than muslims. I want to aplolgise if i hurt any of your fellings by presenting my view about god. I respect all religions.
 

niazi

MPA (400+ posts)
Allah is the creator,gardian, sustainer and lord of the Universe ,the purpose of our creation is to love him , he is with us all the time how can we seperate God from us ,can we seperate our soul or our blood from our body .He is on whom's side?
Any ony who love him and obeys him is Allah's favourite,just be sincere in his love and ask help from him to guide us the straight path.
 

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