Islam doesn't allow to collect taxes?

Liaqat Hussain

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I was just having a conversation with one of my athiest friends.

According to him. Islam doesn't allow a gov't to collect taxes in an islamic country.

Is it true?

Kindly give me a few examples to back it up

Thanks
 
Re: Islam doesn't allow to collect taxes

umar ibnul khatab ameer ul momineen
Islamic Tax?

Islam has a completely different perspective on the economy and tax as the Islamic basis is different to that of capitalism. Fundamentally taxation in Islam and under the khilafah puts the emphasis of taxation on wealth rather than income. The Islamic taxation system does not tax income, but taxes wealth. This means that the average person will be left with more disposable income and will be liable for tax on whatever wealth is left at the end of the year. This will have a significant effect on the economy. If we take figures from the British economy, and incorporate them in an Islamic model we can demonstrate the effect of this. In 2007 the average UK salary is 23,244, and the tax burden on this salary is 34% (income tax and National insurance together), which is just under 8000. This alongside indirect taxation (that is taxation on spending rather than income) as well as council tax, road tax, sales tax and so forth mean that the real tax burden falls at closer to the 40-50% mark. This means that the average person in this country is losing between 10,000-12,000 to taxation.In Islam although simplified, the wealth tax falls at 2.5%. This means that the within one year, the average person can save at is at least 10,000. This means that the average person will have an extra 700 to spend each month as he will not be taxed on his income. Taking into account that the total UK workforce is approx 31 million this means that the extra money flowing around the economy would be 240 billion, if the income was not taxed. Therefore two or three people could easily enter into a business contract to supply some of the demand in the economy for consumer or manufactured goods thereby creating more employment in the economy. The net effect of this is that it will increase demand for goods and services right across the economy which will generate an increase in trade and in turn an increase in wealth for businesses.The main revenues of the khilafah are:1. The different types of public property revenues
2. The properties of Zakat
3. Booties (Fai'),
4. Land Tax (Kharaj)
5. Head Tax (Jizya)The different types of public property revenuesIslam funds the basic needs of its entire population by designating any utility regarded as indispensable for the community, such that its absence would require people to search far and wide for it, i.e. the asset is difficult to find and make use of as it requires refining, as a public property. This means the utilities would be publicly owned and the revenue generated would be administered for the benefit of all citizens. This is derived from the hadith of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم "Muslims are partners in three things: in water, pastures and fire". Although the hadith mentioned just three things we can utilize qiyas (analogy) and extend the evidence to cover all instances of indispensable community utilities. Thus water sources, forests of firewood, pastures for livestock and the like are all public utilities as well as oil fields, electricity plants, seas, lakes, public canals, gulfs, straits, dams etc. The Khilafah will impose an admin charge on the people which will be revenue for the state. It will also export oil to nations abroad which will bring in huge amounts of wealth to the states treasury. In 2006 81 million barrels of oil were produced a day 45% of this was from the Muslim world that's nearly 38 million barrels a day, at current oil prices $80 a barrel (12th Oct 2007) that's income of $3 billion a day!The properties of ZakatZakat, the alms is a wealth tax liable on 2.5% of people wealth held for a year. The Zakat properties are kept in a special place in the Bait ul-Mal (state Treasury) and they are not spent except for the eight categories mentioned in the Qur'an. But the Khalifah is allowed to spend them, according to his opinion and Ijtihad, for whom he sees fit of the eight categories. This tax is a wealth distribution tax which is re-distributed to the poor, the needy, those with debts and for the dawah amongst other categories.Booties (Fai')This is the wealth that will come under the jurisdiction of the khilafah via the integration of the Muslim world. Islam obliges the Muslims to live under the khilafah which is the political structure of the Islam. The net result of this is the khilafah's economy will continually be integrating other economies as they come under its jurisdiction.Land Tax (Kharaj)The Kharaj is a levy imposed on land; it's a type of land tax. The tax is calculated according to the quality of the land and the possible production worth. This will change the landscape of the Muslim world as much of the productive land remains unused today or in the hands of land owners who inherited vast amounts of land by the departing colonialists. This tax will be coupled with a number of other policies; the khilafah will initiate an agricultural revolution by providing grants, cheap rental of land to all its citizens to ensure its agricultural policy is met. Those landowners whose land remains unused for 3 years will have their land confiscated.Head Tax (Jizya)The jizya tax is applied to all mature, male dhimmi (non-Muslim citizens) who have the means to pay it. Women and children are exempt as are the poor who have no livelihood.The jizya is applied according to the prosperity of the dhimmi. In the time of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab رضي الله عنه he established three different bands of jizya depending on the prosperity of the person.
 
Re: Islam doesn't allow to collect taxes

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salaudin

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Islam doesn't allow to collect taxes

Several members have presented you extensive relies and hope it would be sufficient to answer that atheist individual. Just to add a short point, Zakat IS A TAX. Regardless of what Islamiyat books say or the molvis claim; it is a tax. It is purely a savings tax. And it is the responsibility of the government to collect it and spend it appropriately. There is, however, no provision of "income tax" which is a recent phenomenon anyways.
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Re: Islam doesn't allow to collect taxes

Several members have presented you extensive relies and hope it would be sufficient to answer that atheist individual. Just to add a short point, Zakat IS A TAX. Regardless of what Islamiyat books say or the molvis claim; it is a tax. It is purely a savings tax. And it is the responsibility of the government to collect it and spend it appropriately. There is, however, no provision of "income tax" which is a recent phenomenon anyways.

قران زکوه کے بارے میں کیا کہتا ہے، ٹیکس؟
 

JafAl

Voter (50+ posts)
Re: Islam doesn't allow to collect taxes

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Why don't you share it on an online sharing website? It will help all.
 

Cyclops

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Islam doesn't allow to collect taxes

یقینا ، مگر یہ عام ٹیکس نہیں کیوں کے اسکی خرچ طے شدہ ہے.. مگر ظاہر ہے حکومت کے بہت سے خرچے ان چھ مدات ہے باہر ہیں
میرے سوال تھا، قران زکوه کو ٹیکس کہتا ہے؟
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Re: Islam doesn't allow to collect taxes

یقینا ، مگر یہ عام ٹیکس نہیں کیوں کے اسکی خرچ طے شدہ ہے.. مگر ظاہر ہے حکومت کے بہت سے خرچے ان چھ مدات ہے باہر ہیں

یہ آپ کی ذاتی رائے ہے، میں قران سے ثبوت مانگ رہا ہوں
 

Cyclops

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Islam doesn't allow to collect taxes

quran economics ya public policy ki kitab to hay nahi... kay detail ho sirf zakat ka hi zikar hay jo kay hakoomat collect karay gi aur 6 jaghon main kharch karay gi... baqi common sense use kar kay karna hoga
یہ آپ کی ذاتی رائے ہے، میں قران سے ثبوت مانگ رہا ہوں
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Re: Islam doesn't allow to collect taxes

quran economics ya public policy ki kitab to hay nahi... kay detail ho sirf zakat ka hi zikar hay jo kay hakoomat collect karay gi aur 6 jaghon main kharch karay gi... baqi common sense use kar kay karna hoga

میری کامن سنس اسے ٹیکس نہیں سمجھتی
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Islam doesn't allow to collect taxes

http://www.parwez.tv/ebooks/nizaam-e-raboobiat/nizaam-e-raboobiat .html

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1)In quranic context muslims are either living under unislamic rule before creation of islamic state or they are living under islamic rule after its creation. The same happens after existence of islamic state comes to an end.

2)In quranic context the islamic state is either at its beginning or its completion or nearing its end

Each of these states of existence demands constant change in muslim mindset, attitude and behaviour so that islamic objectives are fulfilled.

a)When there is no islamic state in the world the foremost duty of muslims as an ummah is to create one and to create one demands organisation and regulation of muslim community in a way that fulfils this end goal. Therefore all muslims must come together to fulfil this goal. This is most demanding phase of islam.

b)When there is an islamic state in the world then foremost duty of muslims as an ummah is to ensure the state remains in existence. This demands properly organised and regulated muslim community that is capable of fulfilling this objective.

For all this beginning is always with proper education that could enable muslims to accomplish the set goals. Random learning about islam is even though islamic learning but it is not in its proper priority order and therefore unlikely to lead to any successful end.

Islam is all about proper human brotherhood and brotherhood cannot be based upon personal gains of individuals at the expense of wider brotherhood. If any member of your family lives against family interest you will oppose him or her so the same applies to individuals whop love to oppose human brotherhood so that they could use and abuse others. Islam is therefore about proper management of human population and provided resources, so that humanity as a whole could grow and develop into a blissful and dignified human community. This is why unity, peace, progress and prosperity of mankind are islamic goals. It is for this reason oppression, suppression, injustice, cruelty, animosity, divisions and hatred are all anti islamic ideas and actions according to the quran.


From this it is not difficult to see what islamic way of life is all about. It depends on in what condition the humanity is and what needs to be done to make its existence blissful and dignified.

Islam is not a business for profit way of life. Instead it is about making all services available for all free of charge at the point of need by way of taking stock of the situation and distributing land and resources and means of production and distribution in such a way that fulfils this objective. Nothing belong to anyone other than Allah and Allah has given everything to humanity as a community to organise and regulate itself to use things to fulfil all its needs. This is why all responsibilities need to be worked out constantly and distributed so that society works like a machine with all its components working properly to fulfil its purpose or goal.

Islamic society is not based on money of any kind but for dealing with outsiders if need be. It is a family based system that you do not deal with each other as buyers and sellers of things.

No system based upon buying and selling can be just and fair because there is no way to properly measure what people produce or distribute. The quran tells people that whatever they do, it is not their labour alone but God also plays part in it ie where do you get the land from? Where do you get the seed from to plant and sources of energy that help you do things and even you yourselves are created and are given brains and bodies so all things belong to Allah and so Allah demands that you live the way he says. This is why whatever people produce, they could not have done it without Allah. So if anyone claims he can have this or that because he worked for it then he is not stopped from having fruit of his labour but he cannot have the share of Allah in there. The question of private ownership therefore does not arise in quranic context. This does not mean people cannot have things to use them but that it is up to community as a whole to decide how they want to use their labour and production for the benefit each other. if community has one hundred apples, one hundred oranges and one hundred bananas and there are one hundred people then each has right to have an apple, an orange and a banana. It is then up to individuals to eat their given apples, oranges and bananas or exchange them with each other. One person cannot say to another I worked harder than you so I have right to take two of each. The idea is to produce as much as you can and take only as much as you truly need.

People think only air and water is free and for rest of the things they need they must pay for them. This is not true, rather everything is provided free of charge by Allah including information and ability to understand it. However, some people are most stupid among human beings who think might is right not rule of law that is properly founded. This is why they try to take control of land and resources and means of production and distribution and cause wars by controlling livelihood of humanity. It is that mindset, attitude and behaviour that will eventually lead to selling of water and air as well if masses do not wake up and see where they are being led by rulers, money lenders and mullahs.


http://www.jangforum.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=q49fqk4jktgcutk3tfcg1t6fv3&topic=5206.0
 
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Ali raza babar

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Islam doesn't allow to collect taxes

میرے سوال تھا، قران زکوه کو ٹیکس کہتا ہے؟

Nahi kehta..........

Tax minority say lia jata hai un ki hifazat aur haqooq dainay kay iwaz , islam mein muslim say tax nahi lia jata.
 

LovelyVirus

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Islam doesn't allow to collect taxes

Tax kay baghair goverment, afwaj, aur public servants kahan se tankhwa lain gay aur mulk ki development kese ho gi? Ager yeh moden process hai tub bhi is may aisa koi pehloo nahi jo Islam kay khilaf ho. Aaj ki abadi, zarooriat ko poora karnay keliye tax lazim hai, Islami daur kay aghaz may choti abadiyan thin jin ka kharcha ziada nahi tha, aur sarkari kaam chalanay keliye volunteers aur chotay motay karobar se kaam chal jaata tha. Ab mumkin nahi aisa!
 

naveed

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Islam doesn't allow to collect taxes

I have a complete power point presentation on hazrat umar razi allahs administration let me try to upload caz for some reason I am not able to upload some videos from last few days


I would also like to know this.

Can someone please put this in simple words?
 

salaudin

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Islam doesn't allow to collect taxes

قران زکوه کے بارے میں کیا کہتا ہے، ٹیکس؟

I do not exactly know how Zakat has been referred as, in Quran, apart from being called Zakat. So I cannot answer your exact question. The term "tax" did not exist then so I am certain it is not that.

But if I were to interpret the concept of Zakat, it is nothing but "saving tax". Anything that is more than your needs is your saving and you should pay some of it as Zakat.
 

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