kia khudaa insaanu per namaaz farz ker sakta hai?

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Lanti Kutte, the verses from the Holy Quran about Prayers were already provided, but you are purposefully blind.
IF Allah Decree these Rukins in the Holy Quran, He is not directing Muslims to observe them?
What is worship for you? Worshiping the idols like the Hindus?
Fcuking idiot.
I anticipated that you would resort to vulgarity since you clearly lost the argument and have yet to answer any questions.
Once again, as you claimed, show me a verse where God has directed us to pray (Namaz) 5 times a day.
Show me from your beloved Ahadith where it says to recite Darood in the Namaz.
Have you ever heard of the strawman fallacy? if not, Google it, as you definitely fit in that category.
 

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I anticipated that you would resort to vulgarity since you clearly lost the argument and have yet to answer any questions.
Once again, as you claimed, show me a verse where God has directed us to pray (Namaz) 5 times a day.
Show me from your beloved Ahadith where it says to recite Darood in the Namaz.
Have you ever heard of the strawman fallacy? if not, Google it, as you definitely fit in that category.
Khote, what argument i have lost? I have provided two verses which clearly say 5 prayers a day. I am not going to post them again, look at them and fcuk off.
 

taban

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
dear taban sb, insaan qatan maadi duniya ko taraqi nahin de rahaa aur na hi kabhi de hi sakta hai jab tak keh woh khudaa ke diye ge tarze zindagi, dastooro qanoon aur nizaamen hakoomat ko baamaqsad tareeqe se na apnaaye balkeh woh ulta is maadi duniya ko tabaho barbaad ker rahaa hai apne haraami pan ki wajah se. issi liye to saari duniya main log ro rahe hen. na saaf hawaa hai logoon ke saans lene ke liye, na saaf paani hai un ke peene ke liye aur na hi sehtmand khaana hai un ke khaane ke liye. kia aap ke nazdeek ye insaanu ki taraqi hai?

mazhabi rasumaat insaanu ka waqt barbaad kerne ki cheezen hen jo secular taaqatwarun ne hi ijaad aur naafiz ki hen deegar logoon ko bewaqoof banaane aur bewaqoof banaaye rakhne ke liye taa ke un ka dihaan udhar lagaa ker un se apne zaati mufadaat qaabu kerte rahen aur yun un ko nuqsaan pohnchaate rahen. issi liye unhune logoon ko aise aqaaido amaal ke peechhe lagaa diya hai jin ka taaqatwarun ko to zaati tor per faaida hai magar jin ko woh ahmaq banaate hen in ki wajah se un ka to nuqsaan hi nuqsaan hai.

quraano hadis se mazhabi aqaaido amaal ka koi taaluq hi nahin hai. aap zaraa ye baat sochen keh insaanu ko kam se kam kitni insaani zabaane seekhni chahiyen aur kyun? yaheen se saari baat aap ko samajh main aa jaaye gi keh ye chakar kia hai.

agar aap ko english aati hai to aap meri explanations ko ghor se padhen aap ko pata chal jaaye ga ye sab kia hai aur kyun hai aur ye kaise wajood main aaya hai aur kon is ko wajood main laaya hai waghera waghera.

regards and all the best.
میرے پیارے معصوم تے بھولے مغل صاب
آپ نے دنیا کہاں دیکھی ہے دنیا دیکھئے
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Khote, what argument i have lost? I have provided two verses which clearly say 5 prayers a day. I am not going to post them again, look at them and fcuk off.
You are lying about the Quran. You did not give a verse from the Quran which states to pray 5 times a day. Why are you lying?
This is what happens to people like you who follow blindly without using their God-given intellect.

This is what you wrote:
Now show me the verse from the Quran.

If God is Decreeing in the Holy Quran that you should pray 5 times a day, it is not the form of worship directed by God?
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)

حضرت صاحب۔۔ پہلے یہ تو فرمائیے کہ یہ جو اسلام آپ کے بقول خدا نے نازل فرمایا اس کی ہر کوئی الگ الگ انٹرپریٹیشن کیوں کرتا پھرتا ہے؟ آپ اپنا الگ اسلام لئے پھررہے ہیں، فورم پر دو حضرات ہیں وہ اپنا الگ اسلام لئے پھررہے ہیں، دیگر اکثریتی مسلمان ہیں، وہ اپنا الگ اسلام لئے پھررہے ہیں۔ اگر آپ لوگوں کے بقول یہ پیغام کسی اصلی خدا کی طرف سے آیا ہے تو کیا وہ خدا اتنی ہی اہلیت نہیں رکھتا کہ اپنے بندوں کو اپنا پیغام سمجھا سکے؟ جس مسلمان سے بات کرو وہ کہتا ہے اسلام یہ نہیں، اسلام وہ ہے۔ اسلام نہ ہوگیا چوں چوں کا مربہ ہوگیا۔۔

کوئی بھی سائنسدان، معیشت دان، تاریخ دان، کیمیا دان جب کوئی کتاب لکھتا ہے تو اس کو پڑھنے والے سب لوگ اس کو سمجھتے ہیں اور کتاب سے وہی کچھ اخذ کرتے ہیں جو لکھنے والا اپنے قارئین تک پہنچانا چاہتا ہے۔ آج تک کارل مارکس کی داس کیپٹل کو سمجھنے میں کسی کو دشواری پیش نہیں آئی، ایڈم سمتھ کی" ویلتھ آف نیشنز" سے لوگوں نے مختلف مطالب نہیں نکالے، ایمانوئل کانٹ کی "کریٹیک آف پیور ریزن"پر پڑھنے والوں کے اختلافات نہیں ہوئے، چارلس ڈارون کی "آن دی اوریجن آف سپیشیز" پر چار سو تفاسیر لکھنے کی ضرورت پیش نہیں آئی، غرضیکہ جب بھی قابل انسانوں نے کچھ لکھا، اس کو بڑی مہارت کے ساتھ اپنے قارئین تک پہنچایا اور سب نے وہی سمجھا جو لکھنے والے نے لکھا۔مگر آپ کی مذہبی کتابیں لکھنے والے تو اتنی اہلیت بھی نہیں رکھتے تھے کہ لوگوں کو اپنا پیغام بلا اختلاف اور بلا ابہام سمجھا سکیں۔

آپ مسلمان حضرات کیلئے میرا ایک ہی مشورہ ہے کہ جس کتاب کو آپ خدا کی طرف سے بھیجی ہوئی کتاب مانتے ہیں، پہلے سارے مسلمان بیٹھ کر اس کتاب کا ایک متفقہ ترجمہ کرلیں، پہلے خود اس کو سمجھ لیں کہ اس میں لکھا کیا ہے، پھر اس کتاب کے متفقہ ترجمہ پر آپ سے بات کرلیں گے۔ فی الحال آپ میرا اور اپنا وقت ضائع کررہے ہیں، کیونکہ آپ اسلام کی ایک نئی ٹانگ اٹھائے پھررہے ہیں اور اکثریتی مسلمانوں کے پاس اسلام کی جو ٹانگ ہے وہ الگ ہے۔ دونوں ٹانگوں کو جوڑ کر ایک وجود بنالیں پھر آپ سے بات ہوجائے گی۔۔

dear m shameer sb, you are very, very confused about each and everything. You are telling me so and so has written such and such book and everyone understands it. This is a clear cut false statement of yours. It is because that is not the way God has created mankind. People come in all ages and because their ages and understandings vary so they all cannot have exactly the same understanding about anything at all. This is impossible to say the least.

I never said each and every person understands the quran perfectly just because the quran is a book from God. This is why you should go through my posts because in there I explain all these like points as to why their are differences about understanding of the quran between people. There is a big difference between understanding of children and grown ups about things. Also there is a big difference between understanding of educated, trained and skilled people about things and those who are not educated and trained and they lack skills.

Not only that but understanding of things can only be correct of those people who can explain things according to indisputable facts. This is why all those people who have been trying to explain things randomly their understanding and explanation has led human world to what it is now right before our very eyes ie this is all result or outcome of that.

This is why I said I have explained things as I understand them according to which human world should be set up and run or managed and then see the result for doing that. Also see my explanation for yourself and see if there is anything wrong with it and see if you can do better by coming up with a better explanation for humanity to live by. So there is no point in keep jumping from one thing to another.

I have been asking all people I came across to explain the way to make purpose based proper sense of the quranic text but so far none has come up with one based upon indisputable facts. The same challenge stands for you as well. I have clearly explained how I have arrived at my interpretation and explanation of the quranic text. See if you can find any faults in it. If my way of explaining the quranic text is right then it matters not who else interprets and explains the quranic text because that explanation or interpretation will also be either right or wrong because facts always remain facts.

So it matters not how many interpretations or explanations of the quranic text are there in the human world but what matters is if any of them is right due to being based upon facts. if other interpretations and explanations of the quranic text are wrong then they do not matter and if they are right then they will be similar to mine so you cannot use the difference between interpretations and explanation of the quran to discredit the quran.

Moreover when one accepts possibility of existence of God then one cannot say God cannot communicate with his creation and particularly with human beings. All we human beings can do is examine the alleged communication of God with human beings and see if it makes purpose based proper sense or not. If it does then it is truly from God and if it does not then it is not from God. This is how simple the process is to test it. Moreover there are no many books claiming to be revelations from God rather it is only and only the quran which makes such a claim in our human world. This makes things yet easier for us human beings.

So even if I am alone in telling what is true, it is still true and falsehood is false even if the whole human world backs it up. Only and only the quran gives us universal moral values to live by if we try and understand it in light of real world realities as I have explained in my posts on this forum. So your claims against the quran are not valid at all and that is because you are basing your evidences on information which itself is doubtful till it is purposefully properly sorted out.

The quran is all about universal overall ideology for mankind for their bringing about a purpose based proper human community according to it.

As I see things you are not trying to understand things but only and only trying to argue for sake of argument otherwise you would have read my posts to see how I explain things and whether they are right or wrong and if wrong why?

regards and all the best.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
میرے پیارے معصوم تے بھولے مغل صاب
آپ نے دنیا کہاں دیکھی ہے دنیا دیکھئے

Dear taban sb, main ne duniya dekhi hai issi liye to aap ko bataa rahaa hun keh insaani duniya kis haal main hai.

lijiye aap bhi dekh lijiye




 

taban

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Dear taban sb, main ne duniya dekhi hai issi liye to aap ko bataa rahaa hun keh insaani duniya kis haal main hai.

lijiye aap bhi dekh lijiye
پیارے مغل صاحب میرے اور آپکے دنیا دیکھنے میں فرق ہے آپ دنیا کو جس عینک سے دیکھ رہے ہیں میں وہ عینک بہت پہلے اتار چکا ہوں جو وڈیوز آپنے لگائی ہیں اگر ان وڈیو کو آپ غور سے دیکھنے کے بعد ان وڈیو مین نظر آنے والے بے گھر غریب اور مسکین لوگوں پر کچھ چبھتے ہوئے سوال اُٹھائیں تو آپ کی حقیقت بدل جائے گی لوگ کہتے ہیں کہ تصویر کے دو رخ ہوتے ہیں حقیقت میں تصویر کے دس رخ ہوتے ہیں لوگ عموماً سامنے والا رخ دیکھتے ہیں بات سمجھنے کی کو شش کرو حقیقت ہمیشہ وہ نہیں ہوتی جو نظر آئے
Best regards and good luck.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
پیارے مغل صاحب میرے اور آپکے دنیا دیکھنے میں فرق ہے آپ دنیا کو جس عینک سے دیکھ رہے ہیں میں وہ عینک بہت پہلے اتار چکا ہوں جو وڈیوز آپنے لگائی ہیں اگر ان وڈیو کو آپ غور سے دیکھنے کے بعد ان وڈیو مین نظر آنے والے بے گھر غریب اور مسکین لوگوں پر کچھ چبھتے ہوئے سوال اُٹھائیں تو آپ کی حقیقت بدل جائے گی لوگ کہتے ہیں کہ تصویر کے دو رخ ہوتے ہیں حقیقت میں تصویر کے دس رخ ہوتے ہیں لوگ عموماً سامنے والا رخ دیکھتے ہیں بات سمجھنے کی کو شش کرو حقیقت ہمیشہ وہ نہیں ہوتی جو نظر آئے
Best regards and good luck.

dear taban sb, main ne zindagi bhar jo kuchh bhi duniya aur deen ke baare main samjha hai us main se kuchh na kuchh main is forum per gahe gahe share kerta hi rehta hun. agar aap ki nazar se woh guzra ho to aap ko maloom hi ho ga keh mere kia kia afkaaro nazriyaat hen aur kyun hen meri apni soch samajh ke mutaabiq. albatta aksar malumaat jin se main ne nataaij haasil kiye hen woh mujhe doosre logoon hi se mili hen.

agar aap bhi apne afkaaro naziyaat aur un ki wajuhaat yahaan tafseel ke saath share ker saken to mujhe bhi aap ke zariye apni malumaat main izaafa kerne ka moqa mil jaaye ga. kyunkeh jab tak aap apne khayalaato nazriyaat bataayen ge nahin mujhe kaise pata chale ga keh aap ki zindagi ke tajarbaat kia hen aur un se jo nateeja aap ne nikaala hai kia woh drust hai ya un main koi ghalati hai waghera waghera.

aap ki baat drust hai keh tasweer ke kayee aik rukh ho sakte hen ye sab tasweer ki shakal per munhasir hai keh us ke kitne rukh ho sakte hen. misaal ke tor per aik makaab shakal ki shai ke 6 rukh hote hen magar aik gaind numa gol shakal ki shai ke kayee rukh hote hen. lihaaza agar aap munaasib samjhen to apne socho wichaar se tafseelan agah farmaayen, aap ki mehrbaani ho gi. isse mujhe aap ke afkaaro nazriyaat ke saath saath apne afkaaro nazriyaat ko bhi perkhane aur nazar saani kerne ka moqa bhi mil jaaye ga.

meanwhile regards and all the best.
 

taban

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
dear taban sb, main ne zindagi bhar jo kuchh bhi duniya aur deen ke baare main samjha hai us main se kuchh na kuchh main is forum per gahe gahe share kerta hi rehta hun. agar aap ki nazar se woh guzra ho to aap ko maloom hi ho ga keh mere kia kia afkaaro nazriyaat hen aur kyun hen meri apni soch samajh ke mutaabiq. albatta aksar malumaat jin se main ne nataaij haasil kiye hen woh mujhe doosre logoon hi se mili hen.

agar aap bhi apne afkaaro naziyaat aur un ki wajuhaat yahaan tafseel ke saath share ker saken to mujhe bhi aap ke zariye apni malumaat main izaafa kerne ka moqa mil jaaye ga. kyunkeh jab tak aap apne khayalaato nazriyaat bataayen ge nahin mujhe kaise pata chale ga keh aap ki zindagi ke tajarbaat kia hen aur un se jo nateeja aap ne nikaala hai kia woh drust hai ya un main koi ghalati hai waghera waghera.

aap ki baat drust hai keh tasweer ke kayee aik rukh ho sakte hen ye sab tasweer ki shakal per munhasir hai keh us ke kitne rukh ho sakte hen. misaal ke tor per aik makaab shakal ki shai ke 6 rukh hote hen magar aik gaind numa gol shakal ki shai ke kayee rukh hote hen. lihaaza agar aap munaasib samjhen to apne socho wichaar se tafseelan agah farmaayen, aap ki mehrbaani ho gi. isse mujhe aap ke afkaaro nazriyaat ke saath saath apne afkaaro nazriyaat ko bhi perkhane aur nazar saani kerne ka moqa bhi mil jaaye ga.

meanwhile regards and all the best.
Okay Bhai, Best regards.
 

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