Kia ZAMEEN SAKIN hai ??? QUR'AN Vs Modern SCIENCE ??? (Engineer M Ali Mirza
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Mirza is a ridiculous persona non grata. He is trying to exhibit his ignorant blind followers that no Islamic scholar has ever discussed that earth revolves around the sun. There are numerous lectures on youtube and on Islamic websites which were uploaded many years ago.
He is so ridiculous that he believes boxing and wrestling is haraam.
His absurdity expands to the amateurish level when he declares watching Ertugrul drama haraam.
He is such a conservative maniac that he believes woman should cover her face and not step out of her home. Disgusting to the least.
He is so ridiculous that he believes boxing and wrestling is haraam.
His absurdity expands to the amateurish level when he declares watching Ertugrul drama haraam.
He is such a conservative maniac that he believes woman should cover her face and not step out of her home. Disgusting to the least.
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It is a waste of bandwidth to discuss about scientific discoveries and relating them to religious texts like Mirza is trying to do.
Do scientists or astronomers believe in Meraj?
Do scientists or astronomers believe the moon was split by Prophet Muhammad pbuh?
There are numerous events in Quran and authentic Ahadith which we believe in but science has not discovered it and as a result scientists say Quran and Ahadith are wrong Nauzobillah.
What is this amateur Mirza trying to explain is beyond me.
Do scientists or astronomers believe in Meraj?
Do scientists or astronomers believe the moon was split by Prophet Muhammad pbuh?
There are numerous events in Quran and authentic Ahadith which we believe in but science has not discovered it and as a result scientists say Quran and Ahadith are wrong Nauzobillah.
What is this amateur Mirza trying to explain is beyond me.
We need a good Alim e deen, who for once narrates all the Scientific facts and discoveries from Quran clearly about Universe physics and astronomy so when these secular mardood scientists announce their future discoveries , we can show them our clear reference . This attitude of claiming credit after the fact is getting annoying, because these secular folks tell us that all religious texts are made up of tautologies and don't say any thing clearly, but are open to interpretation by whom ever reads them. At least solve the quantum theory riddle and prove or disprove string theory from Quran so we could show middle finger to these bastards. Bada tung kiya hua hay in mardoodo nay. !
Fawad Javed
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Munawarkhan
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It was a Muslim philosopher who first discovered the rotation of earth and the planets, back in the 10-12th century.
Late on science proved that the earth did rotate. Later on people created satellites that are based revolve and work based on earth’s rotation.
What Eng Mirza here sos proves that Quran also doesn’t mention anywhere that earth is stationery, infact it talks about the opposite of it.
So what’s wrong in accepting that he says here.
you might not agree on his interpretation of othe stuff, but this point is quite clear
Late on science proved that the earth did rotate. Later on people created satellites that are based revolve and work based on earth’s rotation.
What Eng Mirza here sos proves that Quran also doesn’t mention anywhere that earth is stationery, infact it talks about the opposite of it.
So what’s wrong in accepting that he says here.
you might not agree on his interpretation of othe stuff, but this point is quite clear
Pakistani1947
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It is just a misconception that according to Qur'an Earth is Flat. No, not at all. This is miracle of Qur'an that it mentions about 1400 years ago that non of Earth, moon or Sun were stationary. Whereas, the whole world was considering that earth was stationary:
(Qur'an 36:40) لَا الشَّمْسُ يَنبَغِي لَهَا أَن تُدْرِكَ الْقَمَرَ وَلَا اللَّيْلُ سَابِقُ النَّهَارِ ۚ وَكُلٌّ فِي فَلَكٍ يَسْبَحُونَ
It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor does the night outstrip the day. They all float, each in an orbit.
نہ سورج کی مجال ہے ہ چاند کو جا پکڑے اور نہ رات ہی دن سے پہلے آ سکتی ہے اور ہر ایک ایک آسمان میں تیرتا پھرتا ہے
BrotherKantu
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اسلام کو مذاق بنایا ہوا ہے.
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Prince of Dhump
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just to be devils advocate..
1. How and why would sun overtake moon or vice versa..
2. Whats the significance of the statement ,'sun cannot overtake moon' that is what would happen if sun overtook moon ?
3. Day and night are caused by sun and sun alone..Quran mentioned some 7 or 8 times 'sun' , 'moon' , 'day' and 'night' in the same sentence. Whats the connection of moon in all this scheme ?
4. Are sun and moon floating in the same orbit ? i mean for one body to overtake the other they have to be moving in one direction..
5. Quran says 'falak' and not 'aflak' . Does that mean Quran is suggesting one orbit ?
6. Is it a property of fluids to introduce spinning motion in objects moving through it or is it the angle with which a body is thrown that overlaps spinning motion on translatory motion.
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Masud Javed
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jahalat ka palanda
Cyber_Security
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So many Muslim scholars wrongly believe that Quran suggested earth is stationary because Quran never mentions movement of earth. Quran does mention movement of moon and Sun but there Is no Ayat which mentions movement of earth.
Pakistani1947
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Imaging you are driving a car somebody behind you can only overtake you if someone behind you increase his speed. If both are moving with constant speed than nobody will overtake other.
In other words, the earth, the moon and the sun are moving with constant speed within their certain orbit hence nobody is overtaking otherr or bothering other.
If any of the earth , moon or the sun change their path or the orbit, they would for sure collide with each other at some point.
No, that is not true ! Day and nights are caused because earth revolves around its axis. It makes one full rotation around its axis in 24 hrs. The earth completes its one full circle around sun in about 365 days. That is why our solar calendar is equivalent to 365 day. That is why we see all seasons coming back after one full year.
As far as moon is concerned, because of its proximity to earth, the earth exert more force of attraction towards moon than sun. That is why, the moon instead of rotating around the sun, it rotates around the earth. And since, earth is rotating around the sun, the moon while rotating around the earth, indirectly rotates around the sun.
Newtons law:
The major planets in our solar system orbit, more or less, in a single plane. That’s why you can look for them along the same sky path traveled by the sun and moon.
Here the arabic word "فَلَكٍ " is used in the sense of "orbits" or circular paths in the sky.
According to Newton's First Law of motion (Law of inertia):
An object at rest stays at rest and an object in motion stays in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force.
If there were no forces of attraction between, for example, sun and the earth; the earth would have moved in the straight line until she enters in a field where any other planet or star.
The gravity of the Sun keeps our earth and other planets (within solar system) in their orbits. They stay in their orbits because there is no other force in the Solar System which can stop them.
In the special case of the Earth's circular motion around the Sun – or any satellite's circular motion around any celestial body – the centripetal force causing the motion is the result of the gravitational attraction between them.
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AzaadAlfaaz1316
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OK you may not know what and who is he talking about !! its about a video watch it and you will know ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrF0gsYE43M
thanks me later .. you shoud find this guy in youtube and curse him not Mirza
Prince of Dhump
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yes..but whats the point of it i mean sun moon etc are moving in different orbits so they are not gonna catch up any way. Unless they are moving in a single orbit there is no chance they will collide/overtake
what we call day is when our side of earth faces sun. What we call night is when our side of earth is in the opposite direction of sun. So yes day and night happens bcz of earth spinning but if there was no sun there wont be day and night. It is sun that give us the concept of day and night. So my question was whats the connection of moon in all this as Quran put the word moon i guess 10 times with concept of day and night
Cyber_Security
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The issue is not about movement of moon and the Sun in the title of thread. The issue is movement of earth.Imaging you are driving a car somebody behind you can only overtake you if someone behind you increase his speed. If both are moving with constant speed than nobody will overtake other.
In other words, the earth, the moon and the sun are moving with constant speed within their certain orbit hence nobody is overtaking otherr or bothering other.
If any of the earth , moon or the sun change their path or the orbit, they would for sure collide with each other at some point.
No, that is not true ! Day and nights are caused because earth revolves around its axis. It makes one full rotation around its axis in 24 hrs. The earth completes its one full circle around sun in about 365 days. That is why our solar calendar is equivalent to 365 day. That is why we see all seasons coming back after one full year.
As far as moon is concerned, because of its proximity to earth, the earth exert more force of attraction towards moon than sun. That is why, the moon instead of rotating around the sun, it rotates around the earth. And since, earth is rotating around the sun, the moon while rotating around the earth, indirectly rotates around the sun.
Newtons law:
where F is the gravitational force acting between two objects, m1 and m2 are the masses of the objects, r is the distance between the centers of their masses, and G is the gravitational constant.
The major planets in our solar system orbit, more or less, in a single plane. That’s why you can look for them along the same sky path traveled by the sun and moon.
Here the arabic word "فَلَكٍ " is used in the sense of "orbits" or circular paths in the sky.
According to Newton's First Law of motion (Law of inertia):
An object at rest stays at rest and an object in motion stays in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force.
If there were no forces of attraction between, for example, sun and the earth; the earth would have moved in the straight line until she enters in a field where any other planet or star.
The gravity of the Sun keeps our earth and other planets (within solar system) in their orbits. They stay in their orbits because there is no other force in the Solar System which can stop them.
In the special case of the Earth's circular motion around the Sun – or any satellite's circular motion around any celestial body – the centripetal force causing the motion is the result of the gravitational attraction between them.
It is true that Quran does mention many places that the moon and Sun are moving but it is also a fact that Quran never mentions movement of the earth.
see this video
The reason people think like that because in Quran there is an Ayat in sura Yasin (38), which tells us that Sun moves towards its resting spot. see many Muslims because of this ayat believe that Sun is revolving around earth . see this video
Now see Sura Yasin Ayat number 38
When people looked up in Sahih Bukharee for explanation of this ayat , they find this hadees
Although I believe Sura Yasin ayat when it says that sun moves towards its resting spot, means one day sun will come to rest and the Doomsday will come but unfortunately some Muslims still believe it means suns rests in the night time and they bring the above hadees from Sahih Bukharee for their support. (I personally believe Prophet Muhammad PBUH could not have said that, and it is not a true hadees, but it is listed in Sahee Bukharee, Hadees number 3199).
Also there was a Islamic scholar Ala Hazrat who wrote many books on astronomy. He also proved that the earth is stationary. You can buy is book on Amazon , here is the link
A FAIR SUCCESS REFUTING MOTION OF EARTH: FAUZ-E-MUBEEN DAR RADD-EHARKAT- E- ZAMEEN eBook: Raza, A'la Hazrat Imam Ahmad, Dr: Muhammad Maalik, Abdul Hamid Maiskar: Amazon.com.au: Kindle Store
A FAIR SUCCESS REFUTING MOTION OF EARTH: FAUZ-E-MUBEEN DAR RADD-EHARKAT- E- ZAMEEN eBook: Raza, A'la Hazrat Imam Ahmad, Dr: Muhammad Maalik, Abdul Hamid Maiskar: Amazon.com.au: Kindle Store
www.amazon.com.au
This Islamic scholar who proved in his book that the earth is stationary , was so much admired by even Dr Abdul Qadeer. Dr Abdul Qadir wrote a column in his appreciation and acknowledge his command on astronomy. Read Dr Qadeer column , here,
This is the reason so many Muslims believe that the earth is stationary and the Sun is revolving around it.
I am a Muslim too and I don't believe on that logic . I just had to give our readers the reasons why so many Islamic Scholars believe earth is static.
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