Mushrik Hindus & Mushrik Muslims [common terms]

[PAINDO]

 

[farooqi868]

Re: There is no deference between Muslim and Hindu

Please change your title.

 

[Shujarehman]

Re: There is no deference between Muslim and Hindu

TTP Imran Khan key blind Chooohooooo....shame on you for spreading disinformation and confusing people by saying that there is no difference in Hindu and Muslim .........Imran Khan also started giving fatwas of SHIRK ...

 

[ASQR1]

Re: There is no deference between Muslim and Hindu

There is a vast difference, only the wise one know. There is enough blame to go around, let us not blame but fix it by educating folks who need it to know the difference, wise one already know.

 

[ASQR1]

Re: There is no deference between Muslim and Hindu

TTP Imran Khan key blind Chooohooooo....shame on you for spreading disinformation and confusing people by saying that there is no difference in Hindu and Muslim .........Imran Khan also started giving fatwas of SHIRK ...

Any proof or just blaming.

 

[akinternational]

Musalmanon ki zillat ka aur dua qubool na hone ka sabab yehi shirk hai...

 

[chandbibi]

I agree with the opinion of the writer of this article i am pasting below. I don't think you should call Hindus mushrik because you find Muslims to be mushrik. Making comparisons with Hinduism is totally wrong as people who are making these comparisons have no real understanding of Hinduism.

If Hindus are 'mushrik', what are we?



By Tahir Mahmood
Sadaqat Hussain Qasmi's stress on the difference between "mushrikeen-e-Arab" and the followers of the great Hindu faith of India (HT, October 10, 'Opening the Book') just cannot be over-emphasised. And, it is indeed a world of difference that we often unjustifiably ignore.
The Arabic word mushrik in Islamic theology means 'one who associates a worldly object with Divine power'. If the Hindus are mushrik in this sense, so are we, the majority of Muslims in the subcontinent.
They associate with God Almighty numerous idols put on pedestals and we, numerous saints of antiquity buried in their graves. They worship God through the medium of images seen as sublime symbols, we petition dead saints to intercede with God to grant us earthly and heavenly favours.
If one way is shirk, so is the other. If despite all this Islam remains a "monotheistic" faith, so does Hinduism.
The irony of the matter is that the Prophet Muhammad had warned his followers against venerating his own grave. But we in the subcontinent virtually worship the graves of saints scattered all over this ancient land.
Taking pride in our own practices we talk only of the shirk of the Hindus, indeed of every community other than us. I do not at all mean either to denounce the Hindu way of formal worship or condemn the Muslim veneration of graves.

Let no one mistake my point or suspect any agenda. I just deprecate our selectivity in this regard and entirely agree that the Hindus cannot be called "mushrik" in the sense in which this word is understood in Islamic theology.

I believe that the Holy Vedas are based on divine revelation and indeed are a perfect answer to the Quranic reference to "suhif-il-oula" (early scriptures). Many verses of the Holy Quran glorifying God Almighty and His divine powers have remarkably exact parallels in one or another of the four Vedas.

Vedic monotheism is in fact no different from the Quran's.

Tahir Mahmood is Member, Law commission of India and former Chairman, National Minorities Commission
Source: Hindustan Times
URL: http://www.newageislam.com/islamic-ideology/if-hindus-are--mushrik-,-what-are-we?/d/878

 

[akbar41]

as ur name is PAINDOO, u r also paindoo from brain, to reply jahil ibne jahil is waste of time, tum jaisay khawarji,najdi are worst than ur mamoo dogs, gadhay ka khurr

 

[PAINDO]

as ur name is PAINDOO, u r also paindoo from brain, to reply jahil ibne jahil is waste of time, tum jaisay khawarji,najdi are worst than ur mamoo dogs, gadhay ka khurr

Akbar bhai jaan paindo aap kay husne zaraf say bohat mutaser howa waqi bohat kuchh sekhney ko mila aap ki ilmi o adbi tahreer say

 

[hans]

oh yah !!!!

same to your creed.. who only know how to kill... and make Muslims kafir.

Saudi and TTP are more kafir in there deeds then Hindu collective.


Wahabi ideology is nothing but Jews master plan to convert Muslim into animals. See how your kind play with heads of Muslim solders.

 

[farooqak]

Muslims of the sub-continent would have been Hindu, Zorastrian or Buddhist before Islam came

Unfortunately, the idol worship habits still exist today for some of the people and I don't think there is anyway for them to change since they have strong faith in this wrong teaching

 

[PAINDO]

oh yah !!!!

same to your creed.. who only know how to kill... and make Muslims kafir.

Saudi and TTP are more kafir in there deeds then Hindu collective.
U

Wahabi ideology is nothing but Jews master plan to convert Muslim into animals. See how your kind play with heads of Muslim solders.

Once a shakh of saudi visted India .then Indian government ordered to cover all idols on the rode


An Indian poet says

Guzra thha ik adna sa ghulam nabi pbuh ka
sharm say munh chhupa ley hind kay khudaon nay



An Indian poet says

That's

 

[chandbibi]

Now you are crossing the limit. First of all there are no idols on road. Idols are always inside a temple and that also inside the sanctum sanctorum. Whichever idiot wrote this is a liar or you are. Saudi sheikh visited India and indian govt blah blah which you have written is complete BS. Stop BS about India and don't drag us in your religious drama.

Once a shakh of saudi visted India .then Indian government ordered to cover all idols on the rode


An Indian poet says

Guzra thha ik adna sa ghulam nabi pbuh ka
sharm say munh chhupa ley hind kay khudaon nay



An Indian poet says

That's

 

[ASQR1]

Now you are crossing the limit. First of all there are no idols on road. Idols are always inside a temple and that also inside the sanctum sanctorum. Whichever idiot wrote this is a liar or you are. Saudi sheikh visited India and indian govt blah blah which you have written is complete BS. Stop BS about India and don't drag us in your religious drama.

Do not call Islam religious Drama,

 

[ASQR1]

I agree with the opinion of the writer of this article i am pasting below. I don't think you should call Hindus mushrik because you find Muslims to be mushrik. Making comparisons with Hinduism is totally wrong as people who are making these comparisons have no real understanding of Hinduism.

If Hindus are 'mushrik', what are we?



By Tahir Mahmood
Sadaqat Hussain Qasmi's stress on the difference between "mushrikeen-e-Arab" and the followers of the great Hindu faith of India (HT, October 10, 'Opening the Book') just cannot be over-emphasised. And, it is indeed a world of difference that we often unjustifiably ignore.
The Arabic word mushrik in Islamic theology means 'one who associates a worldly object with Divine power'. If the Hindus are mushrik in this sense, so are we, the majority of Muslims in the subcontinent.
They associate with God Almighty numerous idols put on pedestals and we, numerous saints of antiquity buried in their graves. They worship God through the medium of images seen as sublime symbols, we petition dead saints to intercede with God to grant us earthly and heavenly favours.
If one way is shirk, so is the other. If despite all this Islam remains a "monotheistic" faith, so does Hinduism.
The irony of the matter is that the Prophet Muhammad had warned his followers against venerating his own grave. But we in the subcontinent virtually worship the graves of saints scattered all over this ancient land.
Taking pride in our own practices we talk only of the shirk of the Hindus, indeed of every community other than us. I do not at all mean either to denounce the Hindu way of formal worship or condemn the Muslim veneration of graves.

Let no one mistake my point or suspect any agenda. I just deprecate our selectivity in this regard and entirely agree that the Hindus cannot be called "mushrik" in the sense in which this word is understood in Islamic theology.

I believe that the Holy Vedas are based on divine revelation and indeed are a perfect answer to the Quranic reference to "suhif-il-oula" (early scriptures). Many verses of the Holy Quran glorifying God Almighty and His divine powers have remarkably exact parallels in one or another of the four Vedas.

Vedic monotheism is in fact no different from the Quran's.

Tahir Mahmood is Member, Law commission of India and former Chairman, National Minorities Commission
Source: Hindustan Times
URL: http://www.newageislam.com/islamic-ideology/if-hindus-are--mushrik-,-what-are-we?/d/878

chand Bibi wrong again, this guy is comparing Islam with idol worshipers, is a total no, no. if holy Vedas are based on divine revelations than he has no clue about divine revelations.

Divine revelations comes to a prophet who rejects all sorts of idol worshiping like it was done by Prophet Ebraheem, prophet issa, prophet Musa, prophet Noah, prophet yaqoob, prophet yousaf, prophet solomon and many many more, P.B.U.all of them.

As you claim Vedas to divine revelations than who was the prophet it was revealed to, if it was, Muslims would have been told by our great prophet S.A.A.S.

Let us see what proof you have about revelations of Vedas and upon whom it was revealed. than we shall go from there. No spinning, just the facts.

 

[Phoenix112]

Re: There is no deference between Muslim and Hindu

Any proof or just blaming.

Why are you blaming Imran Khan? The above is just common sense...

 

[ASQR1]

Re: There is no deference between Muslim and Hindu

Why are you blaming Imran Khan? The above is just common sense...

Why would I blame Imran khan , you got it wrong man, I am his fan,I am talking above about post re Vedas being divine revelations.

 

[chandbibi]

What is being presented here is a drama. Have not seen any other Islamic country making comparisons with Hinduism. After thousands of years of adopting this faith if you are still needing to make this kind of comparison then it is high time for Sub-continental muslims to take stock of what and why they are doing this rather than calling hindus mushrik. If you can't respect somebody else's faith at least don't disrespect it. I respect Islam for its attempt at bringing humanity on one level, but i am sorry to see that some followers have no respect for other faiths which are also part of Islam including hinduism simply because hinduism is the oldest known way of life.
Now because this thread starter quoted some vague Indian poet let me quote the poetry of Umar-Bine-Hassnam. [FONT=&amp]
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[FONT=&amp]POEM BY THE UNCLE[/FONT]


[FONT=&amp]OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH)[/FONT]
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[FONT=&amp]SAYUR-UL-OKUL is a poem by Umar-Bine-Hassnam (Poetic Title: ABBUL-HIQAM meaning Father of Knowledge).[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]Qafa Vinak Ziqra Min Ulumin Tav Aseru [/FONT] [FONT=&amp]Kaluban Ayattul Hawa Va Tazakkaru[/FONT]
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A man who has spent all his life in sin and immortality and has wasted away his life in passion and fury,

[/FONT] Va Tazakeroha Audan Elalvadae Lilvara Valuk Yane Zatulla He Yom Tab Aseru
If he repents in the end and wants to return to morality, is there a way for his redemption?

Va Ahlolaha Azahu Armiman Mahadev O Manazel Ilamuddine Minjum Va Sayattaru

Even if only once he sincerely worship Mahadev, he can attain the highest position in the path of righteousness.

Va Sahabi Keylam Feem Qamil Hinde Yoman Va Yaquloon Latahazan Fainnak Tavajjaru

Oh Lord! Take away all my life and in return pray grant me even a single day's stay in Hind (India) as a man becomes spiritually free on reaching that holy land.
Mayassayare Akhalaqan Hasnan Kullahum Najumum Azaat Summ Gabul Hindu

By dint of a pilgrimage of Hind a man attains the merit of noble deeds and gets the privilege of pious touch with ideal Hindu teachers.


Now my point of quoting this poetry is that this kind of religious influence and inter-change was very possible in the days before Islam. So when Arabs today make no references to the past and pass no derogatory comments about Hindus, I don't see any reason for Indian muslims to do so either. This is why i find this kind of chest beating from sub-continental muslims a drama.

Do not call Islam religious Drama,

 

[Pakistani Resident]

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In qabarparaston ka sirif aik he Ilaaj hai...

jis ka is thread mein zikr kia gia hai...


[h=1]TTP Warns Karachi Sufis To End Grave Worshipping[/h]


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[chandbibi]

The vedas or knowledge are revelations from the supreme god made to rishis and seers of ancient India. The vedas are called srutis( that which is heard) and smritis (memories) because they are revelations. The vedas do not talk only about religion but cover most aspects of human existence. The vedas do not propagate idol worship at all. The vedas are called "apaurusheya", meaning that which is not created by any human being.

[h=1]"The religion of Vedas knows no idols."- German philosopher/author Max Muller[/h]
The four Vedas Rig, Sama, Yajur, and Atharva are not the work of any single author. In ancient India, there were many rishis (sages) living simple, contemplative lives in hermitages high in the Himalayas and along the banks of sacred rivers. The rishis had names like Angiras, Bhrigu, Yajnavalkya, and Gargi (Gargi was a woman). They sought to understand the fundamental truths of life Why are we born? How did the world come into existence? How can we live a good life? Because of their intense inquiry and deep meditation, they received Gods blessings and were able to discover the answers to their profound questions.

God revealed these sacred truths to the ancient sages, and the sages composed hymns and texts in the Sanskrit language to express these truths. Their hymns and texts were then passed on from generation to generation, from teacher to student, by chanting them aloud; they were not yet written down. Eventually, the great rishi, Vyasa, compiled all of their hymns and texts into four collections which are now known as the Vedas.

chand Bibi wrong again, this guy is comparing Islam with idol worshipers, is a total no, no. if holy Vedas are based on divine revelations than he has no clue about divine revelations.

Divine revelations comes to a prophet who rejects all sorts of idol worshiping like it was done by Prophet Ebraheem, prophet issa, prophet Musa, prophet Noah, prophet yaqoob, prophet yousaf, prophet solomon and many many more, P.B.U.all of them.

As you claim Vedas to divine revelations than who was the prophet it was revealed to, if it was, Muslims would have been told by our great prophet S.A.A.S.

Let us see what proof you have about revelations of Vedas and upon whom it was revealed. than we shall go from there. No spinning, just the facts.