No Choice But To Blindly Follow.

[Citizen X]

Wrong! We do have a choice not to blindly follow, something the Quran explicitly forbids us from doing so.

This probably the most damming verse and biggest warning to blind followers

Quran 8:22
"Indeed, the vilest of living animals, in God's sight, are the deaf, the dumb and those that do not use their intellect"

And Quran also gives the result of blind following

Quran 6:116
"And if you obey most of those in the earth, they will mislead you from the way of God. They follow but assumption / conjecture and they only guess / lie"

Quran 25.044
"Or do you think that most of them listen or use their intellect? They are only like cattle, nay, they are more astray from the way"

Quran 36:062
"And indeed, he did lead astray a great multitude of you. Did you not, then use your intellect / reason"

And then the blind followers will blame their Mullahs, Moulvis and Aalims but it will be too late by then.

Quran 36:062
"And indeed, he did lead astray a great multitude of you. Did you not, then use your intellect / reason

Quran 33:067
“And they will say: O our Sustainer! Behold, we paid heed to our leaders and our great men, and it is they who have led us astray from the right path”

*Cue the blind followers in....3.....2....1........


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[patwari_sab]

jo ap ka dil dimagh samajta hai sahi hai os ko follow kro. koyi kisi dosre ka boj nahi otaye ga.

 

[Wake up Pak]

Undoubtedly, Muslims have become the deplorable, the ignorant, and the most self-destructive force on earth.
To help the Muslims come out of the darkness into the light, then understand that it cannot be done through compulsion.
The battle against the anti-Quran Mullahs, Sheiks, Ulama, etc., and blind followers has to be an intellectual struggle with evidence and facts from the Quran alone.

14:1 Alif-Lãm-Ra. This is a Book which We have revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ so that you may lead people out of darkness and into light, by the Will of their Lord, to the Path of the Almighty, the Praiseworthy—

 

[Wake up Pak]

As received.
A great majority of Muslims in the world are not indeed believers. They think of themselves as believers because they were born into the so-called Muslim families and are being charmed into thinking as such by the Mullahs just because they utterly believe in God and His Messengers. Mullahs do so because of ignorance and because they want to keep their stranglehold on the masses and protect their false pride, honor, and financial interests. Therefore, the so-called Muslims of today are slaves of false tradition and blind following.

 

[Citizen X]

As received.
A great majority of Muslims in the world are not indeed believers. They think of themselves as believers because they were born into the so-called Muslim families and are being charmed into thinking as such by the Mullahs just because they utterly believe in God and His Messengers. Mullahs do so because of ignorance and because they want to keep their stranglehold on the masses and protect their false pride, honor, and financial interests. Therefore, the so-called Muslims of today are slaves of false tradition and blind following.

QURAN 12:106
And most of them do not believe in GOD except while they are polytheists (mushriks) .

 

[Wake up Pak]

QURAN 12:106
And most of them do not believe in GOD except while they are polytheists (mushriks) .

No Muslim dares to deny the Quranic verses, yet they still blindly follow the Islam of their mullahs and ancestors.

 

[KhanWarrior]

Read Quran yourself and understand it, it is so easy and also judge everything on the balance of Quran, even Ahadeeth and every law, you will see God does not do injustice on its people. Now adays neither islamic scholars, molvies nor Muslim populations study the Quran.

 

[Citizen X]

judge everything on the balance of Quran, even Ahadeeth and every law,

But why? When the Quran is clear that there is no other source and it is the only true word of Allah and under his protection and you yourself saw in the OP following the hadith is nothing but blind following and forbidden in the Quran and Allah calls these people the worst of creatures.

 

[KhanWarrior]

But why? When the Quran is clear that there is no other source and it is the only true word of Allah and under his protection and you yourself saw in the OP following the hadith is nothing but blind following and forbidden in the Quran and Allah calls these people the worst of creatures.

I agree we do not have to follow ahadeeth, following Quran is enough and if someone brings some record of ahadeeth for view etc , it could be judged on the merit of Quran. Most of islamic history and ahadeeth are intertwined and sort of blurry record of the era, people are interested in that record and sometimes try to follow the commands in some sayings, but we have to tell those people the whole story, and insist on following quran but if they still insist then we should do the decision on the balance of Quran about a certain saying of Ahadeeth.

 

[Citizen X]

Most of islamic history and ahadeeth are intertwined and sort of blurry record of the era,

AT BEST hadith is a vague record of early Islamic history that needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt.

people are interested in that record and sometimes try to follow the commands in some sayings

Sometimes! 95% if not more of todays traditional Islam is based on the hadith.

if they still insist then we should do the decision on the balance of Quran

So if someone insists, we change God's law. Try insisting in a American court of law to the judge that he needs to change his decision because you also happen to believe in Pakistan's law also, so he has to give judgement according to your wishes and the particular kind of law you believe in.. See how stupid that argument sounds.

The day the Prophet Muhammad passed away from that moment onwards a 1000 mullahs can bring a million hadeeth but they cannot add or subtract a single letter from God's message and law till the end of time.

 

[KhanWarrior]

AT BEST hadith is a vague record of early Islamic history that needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt.

Sometimes! 95% if not more of todays traditional Islam is based on the hadith.


So if someone insists, we change God's law. Try insisting in a American court of law to the judge that he needs to change his decision because you also happen to believe in Pakistan's law also, so he has to give judgement according to your wishes and the particular kind of law you believe in.. See how stupid that argument sounds.

The day the Prophet Muhammad passed away from that moment onwards a 1000 mullahs can bring a million hadeeth but they cannot add or subtract a single letter from God's message and law till the end of time.

Yes Quran is our law and book of guidance. Lets implement it in a pakistani court and you will see, 225 million people will run away like donkeys from the commands of justice.

 

[Citizen X]

Yes Quran is our law and book of guidance. Lets implement it in a pakistani court and you will see, 225 million people will run away like donkeys from the commands of justice.

Not really, Quran's law is not the barbaric law of the fake so called shariah laws based on man made hadith, which gives Islam a bad name as a backward religion from the stone age across the world. For example there is no stoning of adulterers or death for apostasy. (There is capital punishment for murder and treason but no mention of beheadings) in the Quran to name a few.

There are some tough punishments for heinous crimes but that's the way it should be.

 

[KhanWarrior]

Not really, Quran's law is not the barbaric law of the fake so called shariah laws based on man made hadith, which gives Islam a bad name as a backward religion from the stone age across the world. For example there is no stoning of adulterers or death for apostasy. (There is capital punishment for murder and treason but no mention of beheadings) in the Quran to name a few.

There are some tough punishments for heinous crimes but that's the way it should be.

I did not meant that Quran's Law is barbaric, i was saying 225 million people do not want to follows Quran's Law and commands. Quran says give capital punishment, why are people in jails for murder why not punish them and estabish peace in society. Quran says help the people in opression, now why our nuclear army is asleep when Palestine is being destroyed into oblivion. Atleast police, judiciary and goverment people incharge of justice system in pakistan and those who support it, in my view are oppressors, hypocrites and non-believers, because this is what Quran says.

 

[Citizen X]

I did not meant that Quran's Law is barbaric, i was saying 225 million people do not want to follows Quran's Law

That is mostly because majority have never even read and understood even its basic commands. Religion has been subcontracted to moulvis instead, who go as far as saying don't read the Quran with understanding or on your own because it will mislead you! Nauzubilah!!!!!

 

[Solomon2]

Quran says help the people in opression, now why our nuclear army is asleep when Palestine is being destroyed into oblivion -

Pakistan's leadership has known for a very, very long time that the "oppressed Palestine is being destroyed by Israel" thing is a fiction; it just stirs up Pakistani "righteous" anger against Zionists. To the much of Pakistan's leadership it probably has the same application stirring up hate against Indians or Bangladeshis did: to keep them in power with the least amount of effort and scrutiny from their subject population.

(You know how much to believe them regarding what they tell you is happening in Pakistan, where you can see for yourself. Why do you think they would be more truthful about what's happening abroad, where you can't?)

Those that don't employ such hatred to secure their rise to power are probably afraid to contradict the lies. Wrongly, perhaps: how many Pakistanis desire the extermination of millions of Bangladeshis today, compared to 1971? Bhutto quashed that mass hatred after the split pretty quickly. While South Asians attach great importance to their emotions, they are also conditioned by centuries of autocratic rule to follow their leaders, yes? Their emotions folllow.

No need to go to war, then. All that's required at the moment is the hate, right?