Opeartion RAH_E_HAQ

[Zaidi Qasim]

What do you guys think of this name ? Is it appropriate to call this operation Ra_e _haq ? Eventhough, you do not agree with those you are fighting against, they are still Muslim and in this operation Muslims killing Muslims. Would you still call it Rae_e_ Haq ? and is it really a jihad of armed forces which are being backed by Americans and other non Muslim Countries and the operation is being launched against Muslims ?

 

[Farhan]

Yes this is very right. just tell me if someone kills someone's brother or relative and he is a muslim will he forgive him a

 

[sagaciouscorpion]

initially you need to decide...

whether Tehreek e Taliban Pakistan is doing "Jihad" or "Fasaad fil Ard"...

In my humble opinion.... it was simply fasaad... killing people on suspicions, taking law into their own hands, cutting throats, hanging dead bodies on the roads, blowing up schools, killing non-combatant people in suicide bombings...... nothing can be justified according to Islamic principles... Can it be??


I dont care what is the operation being called... but it is a fact that these animals should be dealt with Iron hands... while taking extreme care to avoid civilian casualties...

May Allah help our country in these troubled times...

 

[inkalab]

we are living in fools heaven, talbans, are they muslims ? respectable suffi n fazal-ullah , what they were doing in swat they were killing people by name of islam, they want their own created islam, i recommend you guys must listen sufi muhammad interview, all guys who are supporting those persons will clear on and also investigate about their religious qualification, nobody of them get religious education from any reputable institution, most of them are illiterate, they are challenging and doing action against Pakistan, due to their reason, there is big mark on Islam , and my friends are understanding they are Muslims and dong jahad , its really painful, now we must have to open our eyes, and also mind

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

I do not agree with everything you said in your comments. Swat situation was not created in a day or two.There has been many attempts by either side to use the situation in to their advantage.If Talibans demands were not right,not appropriate and were completely out of line with your own morals, why would you signed a deal with the devil in first place ? If they are illeterate,cruel, and act live blood suckers, why would you go to your parliament and present a deal and get the senction from it ? What were the motives for stricking such an agreement in the first place ? The matter of the fact is that the decisions you made were decisions which were highly critisized by Americans and at the end, their decisions ,not yours, implemented.I do agree ,however, that these elements created a situation where almost everything went in to haywire.Obviously, if a government can't establish its writ on any part of the country, it has no right to govern the people of the country. But that stands true in almost all parts of the country.There is no law and order in Pakistan.If you look at the situation in Baluchistan, sindh , you will find all thugs are engage in the power struggle.People have no power, no food and no future and the leaders are making foreign trips one after another as if there is no tomorrow.I hope you read the news about those who went to USA, and end up in to a strip club and involved in a brawl. Now that tells you the mind set of the mafia who controls this country.
Do you have a count of the innocent civilian who got killed by American drone attacks ? You think that itself wouldn't create a situation where your own innocent population being slaughter by a foreign drone ? And you do not have a will or balls to stand up for your own people who are being targetted.Who in the world would allow such an attacks on its own territories where innocent lives are on stake day in and day out ? If you think you have to stand up, that is the first place to stand up and then you take care of those elements within your own borders.
And as far as the Pakistani Army is concerned, I guess the high command of the army still favour foreign agenda and prefer that to be implemented in the country.Their own reasons varies from monatory advantages to the training of high class equipments.
In my opinion, we do not have a visionary leader in our country who could take us in to the new direction. What we got instead, is a mediocre leadership with inferior intellect.

 

[zwanalak]

DEAR BROTHERS AND SISTERS,

PLEASE STOP THIS CHOAS OF YOUR THOUGHTS AND START MENDING YOUR OWN SHIRT. I RESPECT ALL OF YOUR EMOTIONAL THOUGHTS. BUT WE NEED TO CHENNEL OUR EFFEORTS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. THE THINGS YOUR DISCUSSING ARE WAY LATER STUFF. THE FIRST AND FOREMOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO MEND OUR OWN WAYS. IF YOU START FROM YOURSELF FIRST THEN THINGS WILL CHANGE. THIS IS THE FIRST AND THE ONLY WAY TO CHANGE AND BRING POSITVE CHANGES ARROUND YOU. THE FACT IS MOST US ARE BLINDED BY HASTE OF MENDING OTHERS. VERY FEW PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO MEND THEMSELVES. MY DEAR FELLOW MUSLIMS EQUIP YOURSELF WITH HIGHER MORALS. LEARN TO SAY "NO" TO WRONG. THESE DISCUSSIONS ARE DOING LESS GOOD TO US. LEARN TO LOVE AND RESPECT EACHOTHER.

THANK YOU. I HOPE I HAVE CONVAYED MY MESSAGE.

ALLAH HAFIZ

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

Disagreeing with something or someone doesn't necessary mean you disrespecting other's thoughts or ideas.Unless you spell out the poision, you wouldn't know the kind you have taken. These forums are for discussions. You may take part in it or you don't.I don't think change will come without realization and realization comes without understanding and understaing comes without discussions.And overall the guidence is from almighty Allah,even though almost everyone is a philosopher in today's world.

 

[zwanalak]

PASSION IS NOT A BAD THING IN ONES LIFE AND ITS EVEN BETTER TO HAVE IT IN A NATION. I AM NOT DISSAGGREEING WITH YOU GUYS. BROTHER LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE, LOOK WHERE WE STAND. DID WE EVER ASKED OURSELF WHY WE MUSLIM? DID YOU EVER ASKED YOURSELF WHY MUSLIMS ARE FACING THESE HARD TIMES? PASSION AND AGGREATION ARE SOME OF OUR QUALITIES AS MUSLIMS. BUT THESE DAYS WE TEND TO TARGET OUR OWN MUSLIM BROTHERS. DIVERT THESE QUALITIES OF OURS TO THE RIGHT DIRECTION. THE DIRECTION OF BOTH DINNI AND DUNYAWI KNOWLEDGE. YOU MUST HAVE HEARD THE SAYING. "KNOWLEDGE IS POWER" BUT BROTHER WE LACK IT. UNFORTUNATLY WE DONT UNDERSTAND THE POWER WE JUST SEE ITS FORCE AND WE ARE AT THE RECEIVING END. WE THINK BY SAYING HARD WORDS AND RAISE OUR VOICE WE WILL DOMINATE THE SITUATION. BUT THIS ONLY LEADS TO EXPOSURE OF ONES OWN WEAKNESSES. I AM NOT DENYING THE MESSAGE OF ALLAH ALMIGHTY. I AM JUST EMPASISING ON THE MOST IMPORTANT MESSAGE OF TOLARANCE IN ISLAMIC SOCIAL LIFE. ITS VERY EASY TO EXPLODE IN ANGER THEN LISTENING TO OTHERS THOUGHTS RATIONALLY. NO BODY LIKES THE SITUATION IN SWAT, INFACT ANYTHING WHICH IS AGAINST HUMANITY. BUT IN OUR SOCIETY THE PROBLEM IS WHAT IS IN FAVOURE OF OUR INTEREST WE EMBRACE IT WITHOUT GIVING IT A SECOND THOUGHT. BUT THE MOMENT IT GOES AGAINST US IT TURNS INTO CONSPIRACY THEORY.

IN SUMMARY I AM POINTING TOWARDS OUR WEAKNESSES WHICH CAN ONLY BE RECTIFIED IF WE START FROM OUR OWNSELVES. CRITISING OTHER IS VERY EASY COMPARE TO SORTING ONES OWN PATH. AS SINGLE INDIVIDUALS WE ARE UNIT OF A GROUP. THEN OUR OUR IMMEDIATE FAMILY, AS GROUP, BECOMES THE BASIC UNIT SOICETY.

 

[Reliver_Male]

initially you need to decide...

whether Tehreek e Taliban Pakistan is doing "Jihad" or "Fasaad fil Ard"...

In my humble opinion.... it was simply fasaad... killing people on suspicions, taking law into their own hands, cutting throats, hanging dead bodies on the roads, blowing up schools, killing non-combatant people in suicide bombings...... nothing can be justified according to Islamic principles... Can it be??


I dont care what is the operation being called... but it is a fact that these animals should be dealt with Iron hands... while taking extreme care to avoid civilian casualties...

May Allah help our country in these troubled times...

Taliban kee buraian to sabko nazar atee hen magar politicians kee buraian kisee ko nazar nahee ateen, politicians aur army to pehle se hee katal o gharat kar rahee hey aur karwa rahee hey, mera khial hey Taliban ko badnam kia ja raha hey, politicians ko pata hey agar Taliban cha gaye to hamaree dukandarian band hojaengee, aur religious Islamic parties kee bhee dukane band hojaenge jinhon ne pakistan kee awam ko mawali bina dia hey, mera khial hey Taliban ne criminal logon ka hee katal kia hoga magar pakistani politicians to apne khilaf sahee awaz uthane wale ko katal kardete hen, damagh use kro aur sab ke bare me ensaaf se bat kron, Pakistani army Rahe Haq kee jung nahee lar rahee jo esko RAhe Haq kee jung samjh rahe hen wo nahayat hee Ehmaq hen, actually pakistan me wo log Taliban se khaufzada hen jin logon ne pakistan aur eskee awam ko loota katal kia aur taliban to sifarish ya rishwat nahee mante direct saza dete hen bus yeh sazaon se darne ke leye mutahid hogaye hen jaisa ke pakistan kee tareekh me hota aya hey, ek haramee ko hatane ke leye sab hramee mutahid hojate hen ab sare haramee Taliban ke khilaf mutahid hogaye hen, american pakistan ya islam ka wafadar hey ????????? usa ke chall hey ke musalman ke hathon musalman ko marwado aur chootia pakistani wohee kar raha hey

 

[jazbaedil]

There is no end to hypocracy and bigotary, and there is no end to slavery and the cancer of slave mindedness. The world is gone far beyond these idiotic issues, but we are living like primitive kindergarten kids. "he did this, he did that". Talibans are not the root cause of any evil. All they are asking is islamic shariah. but atleast they are sincere in whatever they are asking. They are asking islam, in a country which was created for islam. But we have interest groups who control this country. We have some minority sectarian groups (shias and barelvis). We have muslim parallel religions (Qadiyanis, ismailis, and others). They are considering talibans as huge threat to 'their' versions of islam. Also we have secular slave minded thugs, in the shape of MQM, and stuff, who actually are killers and mafias controlling some parts of this country. They do not appear to anyone as terrorists now, and we all know why. Slavery is the biggest disease for any mind. Most of the leaders of our nation and the nation itself, are now slaves to the NWO.Its nothing new. Just another chapter of history, Munafiqeens (army and their supporters), VS Muslimeens. who would support muslimeen? USA, West or India??.. or would they support Munafiqeens? we all know the answer. And yes the nation is also involved in killing the babies in NWFP and other places. When we sleep in our bedrooms on the day of vote. or when we vote for someone who is not a good muslim, and we are aware of it, we become part of the same crime which is being committed now in Pakistan. I just have one issue, why most of us simply not change our religion. becomming a jew or christian is really well paying, in terms of visa and other stuff. I mean, hell fire is inevitable, then why lose your interest in this world at all??

 

[Reliver_Male]

we are living in fools heaven, talbans, are they muslims ? respectable suffi n fazal-ullah , what they were doing in swat they were killing people by name of islam, they want their own created islam, i recommend you guys must listen sufi muhammad interview, all guys who are supporting those persons will clear on and also investigate about their religious qualification, nobody of them get religious education from any reputable institution, most of them are illiterate, they are challenging and doing action against Pakistan, due to their reason, there is big mark on Islam , and my friends are understanding they are Muslims and dong jahad , its really painful, now we must have to open our eyes, and also mind

OH jani !! Well-edcated jo foreign universities se study karke aaye unlogon ne pakistani kee kia khidmat kee, well educated to baree maharat se awam aur pakistan ko tabah aur kangal kar rahe hen, ab illeterate person ko chance dia jae, mera khial hey un-educated ke dil me kuch na kuch Allah ka khauf hota hey aur educated to har ghalt bat ko dalail se sahee sabat kardeta hey, balke tamam well educated jo pakistan me dukane chamka ke bethe hen enko sare aam phansee de dee jae

 

[sagaciouscorpion]

@All taliban lovers..

Well I can see the atrocities carried out by the politicians, the army and the elite in this country....and raise my voice whereever i can...

But please sombody justify the following in the light of Islam........

1. Killing somebody who is under suspicion of commiting crimes and evidence is not there...

2. Killing somebody by cutting throat "like we do in Eid Ul Azha" even if the crime is established...

3. Flogging or justify flogging (at least we saw what muslim khan said even if the video was fabricated) without the concrete evidence of four people witnessing somebody indulged in the act of zina...

4. taking out dead bodies from graves and hanging them in the chok...

5. blowing one self up where non-combatant people are present...

6. fighting the riasat when democratic ways are present to express one self....

7. asking hair dressers not to perform shaving...

8. Zabardasti asking people to grow beard...(I have one)

9..confining women to their homes.. forbidding them to go for education...

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

Your list of questions is long and deserved to be answered.I started up this thread asking if this operation name is appropriate or not ? The thread has moved to a different direction. I still try to answer the concerns you raised as much as I could with the limited knowledge I have.
I don't think you have gauged it right by calling those who oppose this operation" Taliban Lover" I can see the biase in your language.

The old law of motion works almost everywhere. If there is an action it will produce an equal and opposite reaction every time.The above mentioned acts which are contributed to Talibans have been published in every where including digital and print media.I do not deny them that it never happened I also do not condole them and I think If such an action taken place,the authorities should move in and enforce the existing laws.But in Pakistan, do we have law and order ? how many times, the law in Pakistan have been broken, start from the Army Farms in Okara and list them all the way up to the May 12th, 2007 massecre. How many people got killed and have those murderer ever caught by authorities ? The list is long and dense. when the rulers become corrupt, then you will have these small groups proped up all over the place.Talibans are a phenomenon of our extreme corruption. It is a result of the seed we been sowing for a long time with the help of our western masters. And It is the consequences of the mismanagment of our internal and external affairs.The people of Pakistan are fed up, they are fed up with the ongoing corruption, crimes and lack of resources and they will embrassed anyone who come to challange this system.Let it be Talibans or any other force.

But you think by launching such an operation with the help of foreign countries you will ever have peace in that land ? Or would you be able to deal with them forcefully and repell them from their land which is a land of their incestors for centuries? I think not.If you think you can do that then you are mistaken.

Lets look at it from a different point of view. Pakistani Government already made an agreement with them, Gave them a latitude and a leverage to implement sharia laws according to their local population's understanding of religion.Strictly confining these laws to the area defined within the agreement.This got American flipping. Their brand name newspapers started to write a horrific stories about Taliban taking over Pakistan.Some of the western sympathizer within our own country who are not residing in Pakistan, started a coordinated propaganda campagne with the western media and the governments to critise the agreement with Taliban.
This got Zardari nervous. I saw a new video released of a Girl being Flogged .( surprising someone who was just flogged more than 40 times ,swiftly stands up and walks out of the room).And then the hell broke loose. Taliban was staged in the neighbour areas and the operation ( which was secretly negotiated) started to take place.

If the Talibans are wrong, they were wrong before and after the agreement.What was the logic of negotiating with them in the first place.Now, don't tell me that the government has gone up to the last point to try to make the area peacefull but left with no choice but to stat an operation against them.I don't think we are elementry school students.

My point is , that we are not a soverign coutry. Our decisions are still being made somewhere else. We can bite the bullet and accept it or start to argue against it.It won't make any difference.

 

[sagaciouscorpion]

the title "taliban lvoer" was directed maily towards "Jazbaedil" and "reliver-male" as they seem to be justifying what ever is being done who now have a brand name "taliban"

I agree to the notion that this operation was started with poor planning and in hesitation...a search operation would have been a swifter option...

We know that out state of Pakistan has miserably failed to deliver basic necessities to the common man... because of which, despite having the talent, our youth is rotting....and I also acknowledge that Taliban phenomena is some what a reaction to the state's failure to deliver .....

The worst problem we have is lack of decision making by our high ups.. as the name implies, this is rah-e-haq 4... if the state wanted to deal with it with force... it should have dealt with it with force in the first place.. and should have finished them once and for all... this wavering in the line of action has brought nothing but plight...

If the state wanted to do dialogue... it should have sit with Muslim Khan and Fazlullah directly and openly.. should have handed over to them the Nizam e Adl in the first place.. and ensured its implementation... openly...That moron called Zardari and his company.. kept sayin that this was not sharia but nizam e adl... shame on us if we call ourselves muslims..

This is also true that enough space wasnt given to them to see the fruits of application of Nizam e Adl.. but on the other hand they came out and tried to take over BUner.. and Sufi Muhamad started giving foolish statement.. coudnt they keep thier mnouths shut... I blame media as well.. why was it creating a hype by airing these idiots "sunehri khayalat" on TV...

It is a very complex situation.. and everybody is responsible...

But the questions I wrote have some base.. and unfortunately the heineous acts cant be justified in the light of Islam.....

and writ of state must be established in these areas.. and state should better start delivering ..before its too late...

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

I agree with you that the writ of the Government must be established.But don't take this in to isolation.There are many areas where the writ whould also be established.As I have mentioned them in my previous post.The ligitimacy of a government lies within its ability to performs the duties bestowed upon them by the majority of the people.The continue flagrant voilation of our air space by a foreign drone was never challanged anywhere in the world.How do you see that writ being tear down by a foreign country ? Where do you stand on that and why is this not a concern big enough to force the buffoon sitting in Islamabad to act ? The frequency and the accessebility of these attacks should take your sleep away.There are so many innocent people who are vulnerable to these strickes that no consciously aware government should keep its mouth shut on the deaths of innocent lives. But look at these Jokers.You think they are your leaders ?

 

[sagaciouscorpion]

They are not leaders... they are simply morons who are planning to sell pakistan and enjoy the trade money sitting in foreign countries.. imagine the country is burning and Mr Zardaris foreign tour is not coming to an end...