People who only follow Quran and reject hadiths & sunnah - Apostates?

[Citizen X]

If the Messenger of Allah has an excellent example to follow,
What about this verse
How do you follow Prophet Ibrahim?
60:4 Yusuf Ali: There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham

And that is why Allah says to believe in all the messengers and that no one messenger is superior to another. All are of equal stature.

And putting Verse 33:21 into context read the preceding and verses following it is talking about the messengers example in war, that rather than being one of those who were out there in the desert away from it all, take the messengers example and how he stands fast in the battle field. Basically asking the people to be brave like the messenger.

Also note from the Quran only messengers are said to have fought battles, Quran does not relate any incidents in which prophets have fought wars and battles. Like Musa against Firaun and Dawood against Galut and ofcourse Mohammad against the Kuffar.

So once again trying to justify hadith with this verse is highly disingenuous, well actually every attempt to justify hadith from the Quran is disingenuous because that is just not the case.

 

[Islamabadiya]

How do you follow Prophet Ibrahim?

you asked for a verse to be quoted from Quran and jigrot showed you, how can you deny?

same as you asked verses about ibaadaa and one on another thread

rather than replying with your understsnding of quoted verses you throw another question

if you really want readers to get convinced, shouldnt you explain in beter terms rather than further questions?

lets hear your understanding on both verses

 

[Islamabadiya]

(45:6) These are God’s verses which we recite unto you [O Muhammad] truthfully. Therefore, in which HADITH other than GOD and His verses do they believe in?

do you believe that Prphet Muhammad was the Last Prophet? arent we supposed to follow Last Prophet's teachings? As teachings of the Prophets before him are already incoporated in Prophet Muhammad pbuh teachings

 

[Wake up Pak]

you asked for a verse to be quoted from Quran and jigrot showed you, how can you deny?

same as you asked verses about ibaadaa and one on another thread

rather than replying with your understsnding of quoted verses you throw another question

if you really want readers to get convinced, shouldnt you explain in beter terms rather than further questions?

lets hear your understanding on both verses

What have I denied? Please be more specific. The Question is from the Quran, I'm asking if you find an excellent example in the Messenger, what about the Prophet Ibrahim? How do you follow Prophet Ibrahim?

 

[Islamabadiya]

What have I denied? Please be more specific. The Question is from the Quran, I'm asking if you find an excellent example in the Messenger, what about the Prophet Ibrahim? How do you follow Prophet Ibrahim?

arent we supposed to follow Last Prophet's teachings? As teachings of the Prophets before him are already incoporated in Prophet Muhammad pbuh teachings

 

[Wake up Pak]

do you believe that Prphet Muhammad was the Last Prophet? arent we supposed to follow Last Prophet's teachings? As teachings of the Prophets before him are already incoporated in Prophet Muhammad pbuh teachings

The last Prophet received the Quran from Allah, which provides guidance, not man-made books.

 

[Wake up Pak]

arent we supposed to follow Last Prophet's teachings? As teachings of the Prophets before him are already incoporated in Prophet Muhammad pbuh teachings

The Messenger's job was to deliver the Quran only, nothing else.

 

[Wake up Pak]

arent we supposed to follow Last Prophet's teachings? As teachings of the Prophets before him are already incoporated in Prophet Muhammad pbuh teachings

[16:82] If they still turn away, then your sole mission is the clear delivery (of the message).
[5:99] The sole duty of the messenger is to deliver the message, and GOD knows everything you declare and everything you conceal.

 

[Wake up Pak]

arent we supposed to follow Last Prophet's teachings? As teachings of the Prophets before him are already incoporated in Prophet Muhammad pbuh teachings

[69:40] This (Quran) is the utterance of an honorable messenger. [69:41] Not the utterance of a poet; rarely do you believe. [69:42] Nor the utterance of a soothsayer; rarely do you take heed. [69:43] A revelation from the Lord of the universe. [69:44] Had he uttered any other teachings. [69:45] We would have punished him. [69:46] We would have stopped the revelations to him. [69:47] None of you could have helped him.

[17:73] They almost diverted you from the revelations we have given you. They wanted you to fabricate something else, in order to consider you a friend. [17:74] If it were not that we strengthened you, you almost leaned towards them just a little bit. [17:75] Had you done that, we would have doubled the retribution for you in this life, and after death, and you would have found no one to help you against us.

 

[Wake up Pak]

arent we supposed to follow Last Prophet's teachings? As teachings of the Prophets before him are already incoporated in Prophet Muhammad pbuh teachings

Say, ˹O believers,˺ “We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us; and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants; and what was given to Moses, Jesus, and other prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them. And to Allah we all submit.”

 

[2kamatka]

Look at you guys
Always fighting
try proving who is better than another

 

[Wake up Pak]

Look at you guys
Always fighting
try proving who is better than another

Nope, we are not fighting, but putting forward our points of view.
At one time, I used to be an Ahadith follower, but after reading the Quran, it became crystal clear that we do not need a man-made book; the Quran is enough for guidance.

 

[2kamatka]

"Pak army ki maa ki chuut". Period.
after, that being said, I guess we can get back to some persenal grudges
What I understrand your fight is who drinks a glass of water from left and who from the right. Correct?
I know guy, who knows a guy and will come back to you shortly enough.

 

[Citizen X]

arent we supposed to follow Last Prophet's teachings?

In a short answer NO!

As mentioned earlier stop trying to conflate the messenger and the prophet into one. As a prophet, Muhammad had a different job. And as a Messenger he had a different job. Prophets are for their people of their time. The Prophet no longer has any authority over us anymore because he is not with us anymore. What he left behind which is with us, is The Message and that is what we are suppose to follow.

He did not leave behind any hadith or any other book or teachings, infact from the hadith and history I can show you the Prophet and the sahaba were against hadith

Even while reading the Quran you can see the difference. When Allah says O Messenger or explains the duties of a messenger than when Allah addresses the prophet

(8:64) O Prophet, Allah is sufficient for you and for the believers who follow you.

(9:73) O Prophet, strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be firm with them

(33:1) O Prophet, fear Allah and do not obey the disbelievers and the hypocrites.

As a Prophet Allah is always giving him encouragement and bringing him hope.

While as messenger

5:67 O Messenger, convey what has been revealed to you from your Lord.

He is being ordered to go convey the Quran to the people.

All messengers are prophets since they are sent to their people, but not all prophets are messengers. If Allah had wanted he could have made all prophets messengers but he didn't.

And talking of which where are the teachings i,e hadith of Prophet Musa, where is the hadith of Ibrahim, where is the Hadith of Isa? Qurans mentions the books they were given but never their hadith.

There is absolutely no way one can logically associate hadith as part of the deen or even if they are authentic or the Prophet ever even did or say these things.

 

[Citizen X]

"Pak army ki maa ki chuut". Period.
after, that being said, I guess we can get back to some persenal grudges
What I understrand your fight is who drinks a glass of water from left and who from the right. Correct?
I know guy, who knows a guy and will come back to you shortly enough.

As the quote often attributed to Mark Twain goes "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt."

 

[2kamatka]

As the quote often attributed to Mark Twain goes "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt."

why you have a doubt?
why are you feeling so unsecured?

 

[Wake up Pak]

As the quote often attributed to Mark Twain goes "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt."

This is a new ID. His old ID was an "Arrest Warrant".

 

[2kamatka]

This is a new ID. His old ID was an "Arrest Warrant".

 

[Citizen X]

This is a new ID. His old ID was an "Arrest Warrant".

Oh you mean that faggot who would get drunk on desi tarrah and then spam the forum with cringy songs! Thanks for the heads up, directly into the ignore bin he goes

 

[2kamatka]

Oh you mean that faggot who would get drunk on desi tarrah and then spam the forum with cringy songs! Thanks for the heads up, directly into the ignore bin he goes

everytime when I tell something "not so friendly" about qadiyanis,
why this person Citizen X gets so offensive?
this forum has section for cringy songs.
If they know how to ban me, why can't they just move my post to there?