PTI, PPP refuse to pass crucial bill

[RajaRawal111]

The Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) has proposed an early dissolution of the provincial assemblies if a national consensus is reached on the matter, to ensure that the next general elections are held on time.

The party has announced that they will also prematurely dissolve the Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa assembly- where it is in power- in case a consensus is reached.

On the other hand, however, the PTI has made it clear that they will not support a crucial constitutional amendment bill seeking to delimit constituencies in light of a recent census and subsequently reallocate national and provincial assembly seats.

The Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) warned the government last week that elections will only be held on time if the parliament enacts the pending bill before November 10 in accordance with the Sixth Population and Housing Census results.

When PTI spokesperson Fawad Chaudhry was asked why they were delaying the bill so crucial to holding the elections on time, he said that it was not properly discussed in the Council of Common Interest (CCI), a forum for the provinces to develop a consensus before a bill is brought for a vote in parliament.“PTI will not tolerate any delays in the next general elections, not even the pretext of the pending bill in parliament,” the PTI spokesperson said.

Chaudhry was of the opinion that provincial assemblies should be prematurely dissolved and elections should be held on the same day throughout the country while adding that the delimitation bill should be readily discussed before putting it up for a vote. PTI was also of the opinion that the government is deliberately making moves to delay the next elections.“Given the complete paralysis in governance, the PTI will oppose any legislation aimed at delaying general elections,” PTI chief Imran Khan said in a tweet on October 31.

Ironically, the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) offered a similar excuse on November 2, when the government announced during the National Assembly session that keeping in mind the CCI decision, it intends to put the bill in for a vote.Speaking on the House’s floor, PPP’s Naveed Qamar said that as Sindh Chief Minister Syed Murad Ali Shah had already informed him that such a decision was not taken at CCI, the government was trying to play tricks on the opposition. Although, initially the PPP had said that it will support the bill.

It is very likely that the bill will reappear before the assembly during this week.The census was held in April this year. According to the constitution the delimitation will be based on the final results of the census while the new law stipulates that the ECP should finalise the polling scheme six months before the general elections.

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[such bolo]

پی ٹی آئ کی تیزی سے گرتی ہوئی مقبولیت
جلسوں میں عوام کی غیر حاضری
کے بعد پی ٹی ای اب الیکشن سے فرار کا راستہ اختیار کر رہی ہے

 

[RajaRawal111]

There you go will-bite. Here goes your ultra high wisdom. You remember your supernatural "wisdom filled something" in which you were saying delimitation will make PTI clean sweep the next election. Here your kahoonas don't need it. Why??? no reason. Just because it was not discussed CCI. Damn it it was increasing seats of KPK and reducing 7 seats of PMLN from Punjab.
Like what the heck is there to discuss when you are gaining.
But I am pretty dam sure you will spin it off and find the good in it.

 

[free_man]

پی ٹی آئی کا تو وجود ہی نہیں ہے اور جو ١٢٠ میں ٤٧٠٠٠ ووٹ بھی نظر کا دھوکہ ہیں

 

[Husaink]

پی ٹی آئ کی تیزی سے گرتی ہوئی مقبولیت
جلسوں میں عوام کی غیر حاضری
کے بعد پی ٹی ای اب الیکشن سے فرار کا راستہ اختیار کر رہی ہے

شہر آسیب میں آنکھیں ہی نہیں ہیں کافی
الٹا لٹکو گے تو پھر سیدھا دکھائی دے گا

 

[RajaRawal111]

نہ کر یار ---- کب سے الٹے لٹکے ہوے ہو ؟؟؟

شہر آسیب میں آنکھیں ہی نہیں ہیں کافی
الٹا لٹکو گے تو پھر سیدھا دکھائی دے گا

 

[Husaink]

نہ کر یار ---- کب سے الٹے لٹکے ہوے ہو ؟؟؟

یہ تو ایک مشورہ ہے تم دل پر ہی لے گئے

 

[Will_Bite]

There you go will-bite. Here goes your ultra high wisdom. You remember your supernatural "wisdom filled something" in which you were saying delimitation will make PTI clean sweep the next election. Here your kahoonas don't need it. Why??? no reason. Just because it was not discussed CCI. Damn it it was increasing seats of KPK and reducing 7 seats of PMLN from Punjab.
Like what the heck is there to discuss when you are gaining.
But I am pretty dam sure you will spin it off and find the good in it.

Do you even bother to read and investigate before turning into masi museebtay? Go and read up the entire matter before making a comment.

The census results they have done delimitation on, are provisional results. Delimitation CANNOT be done on provisional results. SOP states that after provisional results, all provinces will present their issues in the CCI, and after their resolution, the formal results are announced.

According to ECP schedule, formal results are to be announced in April 2018. Do you think that will give enough time to the ECP to hold elections in May 2018? Answer is No. That is why PMLN is trying to push through this delimitation based on provisional results, (which small provinces agree, are based on erroneous results. According to the census, Lahore population grew twice as fast as that of Karachi.)

There are legitimate kinks to be sorted...and they need to be fixed first. Stick to your petty 'fiqah imrania' threads. They are better suited to your intellect.

 

[crankthskunk]

نہ کر یار ---- کب سے الٹے لٹکے ہوے ہو ؟؟؟

true in your case. We thought you have seen the light and have stopped hanging like a bat. But that was a wrong impression created from your lies.
Perhaps the "Chamak" was too much. Farrari is getting exposed every day, help her by covering her lies. Tanqah nahi deegi wo.

 

[RajaRawal111]

او نہیں نہیں میں نے دل پر نہیں لیا - جناب کو سب سیدھا سیدھا نظر آتا ہے - اس کا راز آج جانا ہے - کافی انوکھا طریقہ ہے

یہ تو ایک مشورہ ہے تم دل پر ہی لے گئے

 

[RajaRawal111]

Now your are blowing your gasket again. If your remember the discussion we had last time on this matter it was on the news that EPC said they will not be able to hold 2018 election according to new census, because it is too early for them to reconstitute the seats. You were giving a class A rant in that discussion as your masters were giving that rant. EPC succumbed to that rant and agreed to hold elections on new census. Now PTI is reversed I am trying ti understand why. Maybe you tell me why. The formal and provisional results are the matter of legal procedure, but the background work can be done on the provisional figures too. There is nothing going to change or would there be any???

I know you will flip now to 180 degree because your masters are now flipping. This is what i say that you people have no thought or no vision of your own.

Do you even bother to read and investigate before turning into masi museebtay? Go and read up the entire matter before making a comment.

The census results they have done delimitation on, are provisional results. Delimitation CANNOT be done on provisional results. SOP states that after provisional results, all provinces will present their issues in the CCI, and after their resolution, the formal results are announced.

According to ECP schedule, formal results are to be announced in April 2018. Do you think that will give enough time to the ECP to hold elections in May 2018? Answer is No. That is why PMLN is trying to push through this delimitation based on provisional results, (which small provinces agree, are based on erroneous results. According to the census, Lahore population grew twice as fast as that of Karachi.)

There are legitimate kinks to be sorted...and they need to be fixed first. Stick to your petty 'fiqah imrania' threads. They are better suited to your intellect.

 

[RajaRawal111]

Ao hoo bughlol see what husaink is saying --- he is telling that you will see things right if you hang ulta. You try that too please.
You are repeating it again and again same thing. this is now due on me now to tell you why I saw the light and why i am in dark again. Not saying it now. because I just dont want to give chance to will-bite to leave this topic and cling on to one through which he will find the way to run away. Because I know he is quite talented on this.

true in your case. We thought you have seen the light and have stopped hanging like a bat. But that was a wrong impression created from your lies.
Perhaps the "Chamak" was too much. Farrari is getting exposed every day, help her by covering her lies. Tanqah nahi deegi wo.

 

[Will_Bite]

Now your are blowing your gasket again. If your remember the discussion we had last time on this matter it was on the news that EPC said they will not be able to hold 2018 election according to new census, because it is too early for them to reconstitute the seats. You were giving a class A rant in that discussion as your masters were giving that rant. EPC succumbed to that rant and agreed to hold elections on new census. Now PTI is reversed I am trying ti understand why. Maybe you tell me why. The formal and provisional results are the matter of legal procedure, but the background work can be done on the provisional figures too. There is nothing going to change or would there be any???

I know you will flip now to 180 degree because your masters are now flipping. This is what i say that you people have no thought or no vision of your own.

I dont have any political masters..thank you very much. That is a task secured for the likes of you...with a long list of masters, masters in waiting, masternis in waiting and what not.
The issue was the timely holding of the census, which would be followed by delimitation. And in case your memory evades you, your leige lords were not willing to hold the census at tell. It was a supreme court chittar which forced them to in the first place, and that too in a delayed manner...which obviously reuslted in delayed results.

In the world of PMLN and PPP, work is always done based on provisional figures....whether its disbursement of funds, or spending on projects, or conducting elections. Doesnt work like that in any real documented economy.

 

[RajaRawal111]

I dont have any political masters..thank you very much. That is a task secured for the likes of you...with a long list of masters, masters in waiting, masternis in waiting and what not.
The issue was the timely holding of the census, which would be followed by delimitation. And in case your memory evades you, your leige lords were not willing to hold the census at tell. It was a supreme court chittar which forced them to in the first place, and that too in a delayed manner...which obviously reuslted in delayed results.

In the world of PMLN and PPP, work is always done based on provisional figures....whether its disbursement of funds, or spending on projects, or conducting elections. Doesnt work like that in any real documented economy.

I remember all of that. But what I am talking about is why now PTI is opposing this change. At one point they were after ECP for not holding election based on new census. Now they are opposing the move which will make it possible. What the hell is going to happen in CCI. Are IK and PTI gurus idiots. Why are they allowing PPP to make fuss and allowing to them to create legal issues on Census. What is happening do you have any idea ????
Does it not prove thay your leaders are either goofs or are trying to run away from elections ???? Do they think that in this way the time of interim Govts will extend. No sir PMLN Will get another year to rule. And ungal wala umpire will be okay with this. Don't you think so ???

 

[Will_Bite]

I remember all of that. But what I am talking about is why now PTI is opposing this change. At one point they were after ECP for not holding election based on new census. Now they are opposing the move which will make it possible. What the hell is going to happen in CCI. Are IK and PTI gurus idiots. Why are they allowing PPP to make fuss and allowing to them to create legal issues on Census. What is happening do you have any idea ????
Does it not prove thay your leaders are either goofs or are trying to run away from elections ???? Do they think that in this way the time of interim Govts will extend. No sir PMLN Will get another year to rule. And ungal wala umpire will be okay with this. Don't you think so ???

1. Elections will be delayed if delimitation is enacted. It cannot be done based on provisional results, as I mentinoed before. Final results are bound to have changes.
2. Holding elections based on old census will allow holding them on time.

And I dont know what possessed you to claim that if elections are delayed, govt will extend and PMLN will get another year. You are really clueless about how democracy works. If at all elections are postponed, govt will be dissolved after its 5 years, and a caretaker setup will run the show.

 

[RajaRawal111]

Ooo hell I am clueless about the Pakistan which is situated between 60E and 75E latitude & 24N to 36N longitude. And you know much better about some kind of democracy. ------ Not bringing you out from your utopia man. Live easy in it.

Tell me man is there going to be another census between the provisional and official results. What the hell is going to change ???
2[SUP]nd[/SUP] question is what why PTI is backing off from its stance. You are continuously avoiding it to answer.

1. Elections will be delayed if delimitation is enacted. It cannot be done based on provisional results, as I mentinoed before. Final results are bound to have changes.
2. Holding elections based on old census will allow holding them on time.

And I dont know what possessed you to claim that if elections are delayed, govt will extend and PMLN will get another year. You are really clueless about how democracy works. If at all elections are postponed, govt will be dissolved after its 5 years, and a caretaker setup will run the show.

 

[Will_Bite]

2[SUP]nd[/SUP] question is what why PTI is backing off from its stance.

PTI's stance was to hold the census at the right time in order to get the results in a timely manner. Census was delayed intentionally...and was held only after the court's intervention.....and by that time, everyone knew it was too late for elections. (BTW, census is required for a lot of other things as well.not just elections.)

Tell me man is there going to be another census between the provisional and official results. What the hell is going to change ???

The head count in the country is not the only thing that is done in a census. It factors the way cities are earmarked....and there are gigantic discrepancies in how Karachi, Lahore, and many other areas have been demarcated.
Between the provisional and official results, discrepancies like the above are discussed and sorted in the CCI. Once the official figures are released, the total headcount in the country may still be the same, but the way those heads are distributed across the country can, and will change, because it has been done erratically.

 

[RajaRawal111]

PTI's stance was to hold the census at the right time in order to get the results in a timely manner. Census was delayed intentionally...and was held only after the court's intervention.....and by that time, everyone knew it was too late for elections. (BTW, census is required for a lot of other things as well.not just elections.)


[/COLOR]The head count in the country is not the only thing that is done in a census. It factors the way cities are earmarked....and there are gigantic discrepancies in how Karachi, Lahore, and many other areas have been demarcated.
Between the provisional and official results, discrepancies like the above are discussed and sorted in the CCI. Once the official figures are released, the total headcount in the country may still be the same, but the way those heads are distributed across the country can, and will change, because it has been done erratically.

You just say whatever you can. Whether it makes any sense or not. What ever the other uses of the census are , for electoral lists only headcount is used. Don't know what the heck you mean by the erratic demorcation on main cities. There is a range of population on which the constituencies are formed. EPC is not going to ask people to move. May be that is what you want ---- just like last time when you were teaching me about PTI coming shining because you will have constituencies all over composed of defence scheme. Is that so ????.
I told you before too and now Also that you will get one seat for sure if gawalmandi is separated from defense in Lahore. But this miracle is not going to happen any where else.

 

[Will_Bite]

What ever the other uses of the census are , for electoral lists only headcount is used........EPC is not going to ask people to move.

Logic and common sense, RIP.

 

[RajaRawal111]

Logic and common sense, RIP.

Okay ---- go - run away sir.

Picking up the things from my writing. Mingle them up put them out of context. This is your style. Which I once told you what it resembles to.